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 Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 15:57 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | | Honestly, each publisher has their sins. |
if each publisher has his sins, ea is the devil himself.
there are reasons why the objects needed to let the guardian into the world in ultima 7 are shaped after the ea logo, and the leaders of the fellowship named elizabeth and abraham.
and people who tolerate the shit that ea has been pulling for years only make matters worse.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 15:58 Post subject: |
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Same applies for elections (albeit one has to have a brain to know what one has to do) nobody will stand tall and together on matters these days, we would all rather take an easy way out and just deal with it/put up with it. This is what goverments/manufacturing types/sales etc have all been feeding off of for many years.
Its the same old story, just package it differently, we will come running cause people like the norm that has become.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 16:02 Post subject: |
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DLC is the next evolvement of the "Get the patch" mentality we all accepted for a good long time, I've said it since it started, will become a excuse to release half finished product..
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 16:43 Post subject: |
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Problem is, i don't see anything "devilish" about EA, nor anything in their practices that really stands out, hence, i don't see any reason to bash what they do, while accepting what is done by others. And by acceptance or lack of it, i mean buying or not buying their games, not just talking/ writing "i don't like what they do". Bethesda has been selling horse armor as DLC, yet some of You still bought Fallout 3. Ubisoft fucked PC gamers totally with Prince of Persia DLC ( even if it's quite weak ) and did the same with AC2 delay but before the news about that, some still wanted to buy AC2. And i bet many still will, despite the delay and uber DRM scheme that's gonna be sold along with it. Activision Blizzard is selling expansions for more then a full fledge game and is openly pushing the market to make games more expensive, at least their CEO believes it's the right way. Atari has been known for notorious tries with various invasive DRM mechanics, and delayed a good DLC campaign (Mysteries of Westgate) for over a year because of it, fucking up the fans in a way i've seriously nerver seen before, yet i don't see people bashing atari and calling it anti-christ, devil and all the other shit and vowing never to buy their games again. Yet everyone easily jumps the "EA hate" train, even though nowadays they actually bring many new titles to the table and promote them, istead of just producing wanted sequels (Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Dragon Age being just a few) .
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 16:46 Post subject: |
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Are people STILL bitching about horse armor? Seriously? It's been how many years? And they've made ZERO shitty DLC since then. It was 99 fucking cents and was basically a test of their model. It also added ZERO gameplay benefit and was completely fucking optional.
Get over it.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 16:53 Post subject: |
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why all the fuzz about dlc, extra armour , rings, hats, boots and whatlike...
just buy the game, pirate it. whatever your pleasure. Play the game and like it or hate it...
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 16:55 Post subject: |
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| rhagz wrote: | Are people STILL bitching about horse armor? Seriously? It's been how many years? And they've made ZERO shitty DLC since then. It was 99 fucking cents and was basically a test of their model. It also added ZERO gameplay benefit and was completely fucking optional.
Get over it. |
I'm not bitching about it, just using it as an example.
My bottom line is: there's no difference between EA and the others and if you want to fight for consumer's rights this way, either do it in all cases (meaning: stop buying games) or don't at all. Don't just punish a good dev because of such things because if used selectively, it changes nothing and hits the developer and actual game the most.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:06 Post subject: |
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Well that much I agree with.
Devs can't win over some people, unless they release neverending games for 10 bucks or something.
If a game is good I want a neverending stream of optional stuff that I can choose to play. I'm also smart enough to realize it costs money to make this stuff so I understand the need for the cost.
To us grown ups 5 or 7 or 10 bucks is nothing. If it gives me good entertainment value then it's money well spent.
But this is a haven for the underprivileged and self-entitled children of the gaming industry. Can't really expect people here to understand how things work.
Piracy wasn't born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids, it was born to satisfy the nature of technically savvy individuals who wanted to go head to head with protection schemes and see who was the best at it.
All this shit is the dirty side effect.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:13 Post subject: |
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| rhagz wrote: | Well that much I agree with.
Devs can't win over some people, unless they release neverending games for 10 bucks or something.
If a game is good I want a neverending stream of optional stuff that I can choose to play. I'm also smart enough to realize it costs money to make this stuff so I understand the need for the cost.
To us grown ups 5 or 7 or 10 bucks is nothing. If it gives me good entertainment value then it's money well spent.
But this is a haven for the underprivileged and self-entitled children of the gaming industry. Can't really expect people here to understand how things work.
Piracy wasn't born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids, it was born to satisfy the nature of technically savvy individuals who wanted to go head to head with protection schemes and see who was the best at it.
All this shit is the dirty side effect. |
+1,000,000
That sums up everything.... |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:16 Post subject: |
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I don't really like DLC myself, my previous responses even in this thread are a testament to that, but i don't like to see a good franchise bashed by people just because they don't agree with the direction taken by whole market.
If You want to support the game/ developer but disliike DLCs, just buy the game and forget about the addons. Or pirate them. This way you can make an exact point, without hurting the actual game that much.
Personally, i'll probably do just that.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:24 Post subject: |
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It's not about DLC per se but releasing it the same day as the game is released just makes it look like they ripped it from the game to milk some cash.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:25 Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's what I'll do too. I have never found DLC worth buying, I'd much rather have a full blown expansion for 3 to 5 times the price of some shitty DLC, consumerism posterchilds nonwithstanding.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:37 Post subject: |
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A game at release should give the best gaming experience possible given the time the devs had making it, for someone who buys the game full price. DLC content is fine after a couple of months for the people that want more, you can always decide if you want it (think fallout 3 is a good example)
What I dont understand is that, since piracy is big, devs are not trying to please people that buy a game, but give the opposite signal and squeeze the most dollars out of a buyer.
I really want to support bioware, but not this way. I think that bioware is lost anyway since it is in the hands of ea, dragon age will be there last good game i fear. .
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:52 Post subject: |
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| rhagz wrote: | To us grown ups 5 or 7 or 10 bucks is nothing. If it gives me good entertainment value then it's money well spent.
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It's a matter of principle. If you want to get milked, by all means get your utters out.
Why do you feel the need to justify your age?
Exactly.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:52 Post subject: |
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Oh please. Don't try to argue principles. If you had any you wouldn't pirate a single game. You would just not play it.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 17:55 Post subject: |
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Correction: They wouldn't "steal" ebooks or movies or music. They would buy ebooks they want to read, movies they want to watch and music they want to hear.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 18:11 Post subject: |
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If people can't afford it then they don't count. Plain and simple. Obviously enough people CAN afford it otherwise it wouldn't be made because, get this.. pirating shit doesn't pay the creators anything.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 18:17 Post subject: |
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How nice it is with Utopias! And principles aren't based in law anyway, rather in morals, which do differ, even in the western corner of the world based on the bible and whatnot. Just applying morals BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN is a rather blase way of doing things IMO. Much better to actually test your actions beforehand and then take action. That's why I pirate and then buy the good stuff. Sometimes I even buy shit games cause I want to encourage devs with solid ideas lacking in execution. I'm also one of those who have donated to Dwarf Fortress since it's just so fucking great. Principles and morals are in no way directly related to software piracy.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 18:27 Post subject: |
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| rhagz wrote: | | Piracy wasn't born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids, it was born to satisfy the nature of technically savvy individuals who wanted to go head to head with protection schemes and see who was the best at it. |
You're wrong. When piracy was 'born', there weren't any protection schemes. Piracy was born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 18:38 Post subject: |
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| Perdurab00 wrote: | | rhagz wrote: | | Piracy wasn't born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids, it was born to satisfy the nature of technically savvy individuals who wanted to go head to head with protection schemes and see who was the best at it. |
You're wrong. When piracy was 'born', there weren't any protection schemes. Piracy was born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids. |
no copy protection means no piracy. So your argument is invalid. Or to quote you: "You're wrong."
It s one of the "flaws" of the digital age, that every operation is rather a copy than an actual transfer. Emails aren't send, they are copied. Pictures in a browser are copies. And so on and so forth.
Piracy is just a derogatory term invented by people who came up with protection schemes to break the procedures that are the very nature of the system that runs the software. Just so they could "protect" their "interests".
and this "fuck the poor" routine that alot of anti-piracy come up with is also in itself ridiculous. The ones that want to make a profit only understand the world in ways they can grasp it. So somebody who CAN copy something becomes the greedy, broke thief instead of the one to show the flaws of copy protection and the futility of the very endeavour of protecting something in the binary realm... |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 18:41 Post subject: |
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| Perdurab00 wrote: | | rhagz wrote: | | Piracy wasn't born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids, it was born to satisfy the nature of technically savvy individuals who wanted to go head to head with protection schemes and see who was the best at it. |
You're wrong. When piracy was 'born', there weren't any protection schemes. Piracy was born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids. |
Exactly, there wasn't protection in the C64 days, a few Amiga games got protected near the end of Commodore's life.
Basic cd name and structure checks came in some dos games.
@lutz you're arguing semantics, perdura, rhagz and now me, are arguing how the "scene" came to be. So in a sense, you're wrong. |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 18:48 Post subject: |
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hahahaha, i m NEVER wrong! 
and even if you want to debate the historical aspects of the scene, it is still a very opinionated re-attribution of facts to say that the scene "was born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids." And wrong.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 18:50 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | hahahaha, i m NEVER wrong!
and even if you want to debate the historical aspects of the scene, it is still a very opinionated re-attribution of facts to say that the scene "was born to satisfy the whims of greedy broke kids." And wrong. |
Sure there wasn't a clear goal in mind, but thats what it came to be nonetheless.
People shared to play new stuff whilst some just liked to archive. |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 18:56 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | | Problem is, i don't see anything "devilish" about EA, nor anything in their practices that really stands out, hence, i don't see any reason to bash what they do, while accepting what is done by others. And by acceptance or lack of it, i mean buying or not buying their games, not just talking/ writing "i don't like what they do". Bethesda has been selling horse armor as DLC, yet some of You still bought Fallout 3. Ubisoft fucked PC gamers totally with Prince of Persia DLC ( even if it's quite weak ) and did the same with AC2 delay but before the news about that, some still wanted to buy AC2. And i bet many still will, despite the delay and uber DRM scheme that's gonna be sold along with it. Activision Blizzard is selling expansions for more then a full fledge game and is openly pushing the market to make games more expensive, at least their CEO believes it's the right way. Atari has been known for notorious tries with various invasive DRM mechanics, and delayed a good DLC campaign (Mysteries of Westgate) for over a year because of it, fucking up the fans in a way i've seriously nerver seen before, yet i don't see people bashing atari and calling it anti-christ, devil and all the other shit and vowing never to buy their games again. Yet everyone easily jumps the "EA hate" train, even though nowadays they actually bring many new titles to the table and promote them, istead of just producing wanted sequels (Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Dragon Age being just a few) . |
If this was a Bioware game I'd have no problem with them. I'd trust them. They have published some good addon quests for NWN. They didn't call it DLC then, but in fact the thing was the same. The problem is that its more an apparent that Bioware, despite some nice words how it'll be at takoff, aren't in charge of what they do. I seriously doubt that its them that decided its a good thing releasing trailers that look more like something from a B horror flick. And I'm quite certain that its EA behind all this selling of the game in parts. I do remmember reading somwhere that they'll be doing a lot on microtransactions in the future.
Now despite the thing they do and forced DLCs in games I still buy EA games. I think I've bought at least three in the last year. I even have this years Madden that has a lot of stuff that should be in the game as DLC. But before I bought it I looked and found out what the DLC was. Only after seeing its not something I'd care about I bought it. Its not so with Dragon Age. This is RPG, when I hear that game will have this 'awesome' dungeon sold separately for 7bucks extra, I go crazy. Then when I hear that theres crazy amount of items and stuff like that only available in some extra versions I get crazy, pirate the shit, burn it on dvds and start handing it for free to potential buyers at game stores.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 19:06 Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the DLC is going to be about? Is it a continuation of the main plot or just a bunch of side quests?
The same points most of you have been making were also being made by people in the comments section on Blues News. One of the devs was there answering questions, check it out. He goes by the nick CrushBug, his posts can be easily spotted. Just look for a name with a green background.
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