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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 14:20 Post subject: |
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Such an improvement over DiRT1 in all areas, loving the variation in races,graphics are top notch, handling/physics are very good.
Just reached lvl 11.
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what do you mean? the console version also works on pc ? |
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 14:37 Post subject: |
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Wheel is useless in these games. I wouldn't waste your money unless you are buying a proper wheel for GT/FORZA/ and the PC.
| Quote: | | it doesn't matter which kind of input you use |
A wheel will help you immensely in a simulator once you've gotten used to it, but in these types of games (GRiD, DiRT, etc) it actually works against you because of the way the steering model is designed around control pads. Everything being equal your friend would still be faster because he's probably better than you (or practices more), not because the type of input doesn't matter.
In Gran Turismo the fastest times, if we ignore cheaters, are set by people with all the driving aids off using steering wheel setups. Trying to achieve those on a gamepad would be pointless and painful. With GRiD and DiRT the opposite is true. Sure it works, but there's no point unless you're comfortable with that handicap and enjoy the experience (which is fair enough). Personally I'm happy to just sit back and use the analogue sticks, it's more relaxing, more fun... which is what these games are supposed to be I thought.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 14:45 Post subject: |
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of course a wheel is a big help when playing sims, the "it doesn't matter which kind of input you use" was aimed at games like dirt. i was just saying that in arcade-like racing games, you'll post the best times with the kind of input you're most comfortable with, not with the one that the game is meant to be played with.
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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 15:15 Post subject: |
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iv heard its worth it over time in games like Forza 2 and Race. But there are few good racing sims on the 360.
In dirt 1 I just find it way to sensitive. Gonna check out Dirt 2 now^^
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 15:15 Post subject: |
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The wheel itself has absolutely nothing to do with lap times. It's the throttle and brake pedal's allowing for minute inputs/corrections during braking/corner exit. I can carve lines as smooth as a steering wheel with any controllers but it gets difficult modulating throttle/brake with the rather non linear triggers.
I've actually found the wheel to make things more difficult because of how much more movement/involvement is required. It's all in the feet.
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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 15:18 Post subject: |
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In some games you can't really regulate the throttle it seems like...
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 15:54 Post subject: |
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| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | The wheel itself has absolutely nothing to do with lap times. It's the throttle and brake pedal's allowing for minute inputs/corrections during braking/corner exit. I can carve lines as smooth as a steering wheel with any controllers but it gets difficult modulating throttle/brake with the rather non linear triggers.
I've actually found the wheel to make things more difficult because of how much more movement/involvement is required. It's all in the feet. |
Not true, the wheel plays a large part, your last paragraph highlights just one of the reasons why. Playing GRiD/DiRT with a wheel you will be making large, repetitive and unrealistic movements with the wheel to compete with the arcade steering model that on a control pad takes just a minor flick to accomplish.
In games like GT (which isn't even a pure simulation) the steering wheel allows for much finer control, and without it you'll struggle (indeed, find it nigh on impossible without driving aids) to keep the car stable through high speed corners. I'd actually argue that for most console games the pedals are not that big of a factor at all as you can be as aggressive as you like without tyre/brake wear, having to worry about downshifting too soon, and so on.... I mean, FORZA might be different in that respect so you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong.
...but still, all of this means nothing as far as DiRT is concerned, I got the impression he thought a wheel would make him go faster in DiRT, and in my experience it will actually get in the way of that because of the arcade steering model.
Nothing wrong with using a steering wheel if you want to, but I just thought why not buy a proper wheel if that's what you want - then you can use it on the PC and get the best out of FORZA or GT (whichever system it is you're buying for).
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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 15:56 Post subject: |
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yeah thats my point, there isn't really any point with a wheel in an arcade game. And for everyone whos got a car knows how a car should handle...
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 16:37 Post subject: |
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I struggle with a wheel full stop. I've never driven a car in my life (although being 29) therefore the whole concept is completely alien to me.
Regardless of the game, I will always set faster times with a controller than a wheel. I played Forza 2 for about 6 months and never did get used to the wheel (despite sticking with it for the fun factor)
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 16:40 Post subject: |
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Agree with some others. Menues are horrible. Pressed thru it and accidently bought a car. Music is like all the other car games. Crap.
Bloom bonanza. In rallycross it´s either too dark or too bright. Craziness.
Did however enjoy spending an hour or two driving around on various tracks. Ok game.
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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 19:18 Post subject: |
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I'm thinking about buy it , but for those that have played it , what types of racing does it have, i can't get that info from the demo, i played and completed the first game, games like forza and nascar don't appeal to me , I'm into dirt racing /off road/ monster trucks....
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 19:42 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 20:21 Post subject: |
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my g25 is way too sensitive in dirt2 but it is playable...in Dirt1 there was a horrible steering lag which made the car go, left right left right etc.....
I suck with a gamepad, so I am easier fast with a wheel then a gamepad.
but it's still stupid that my wheel is seen as a 180 deg device then a full 900 deg. hence way too sensitive, and even adjusting the wheel options didnt really help.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 20:31 Post subject: |
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| bushwacka wrote: | | Flark wrote: | | BigBasher wrote: | | dirt is what colins body is under now i think its disgusting they sell it with his name on still and even put achievement after him! |
You are a retard. You don't think his family gets a huge fucking check in the mail for the use of his name on this game? |
...or rather what's left of his family. besides, mcrae died in his fucking own helicopter, i seriously doubt his wife and daughter need the cash - codemasters is just using his name as a selling point while they've still got the license. don't go calling other ppl retards if neither your own iq is above room temperature nor you've got your facts straight. |
Yes, what a horrible company Codemasters must be using his death to sell copies and not to make a homage to him. I guess the last tournament of the game "Colin McRae Memorial Cup" is just to try and cover up their evil money grubbing plans.
Idiot.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 21:00 Post subject: |
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| Flark wrote: | | You are a retard. |
you know flaming and personal insults are against the rules, right?
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 21:15 Post subject: |
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Oh noes, not more driving games. I'll just get a real car.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 21:54 Post subject: |
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There is a bit too many racing games of late actually, sort of like WW2 shooters. But then whatever, I already built a time machine and assisted in the Omaha beach assault for real so where's the harm in going out and spending millions on a car collection, some tracts of private land and convincing Ken Block to be my friend. I mean, that's what this is all about right....
RIGHT!?
wrong....
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 22:30 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | There is a bit too many racing games of late actually, sort of like WW2 shooters. But then whatever, I already built a time machine and assisted in the Omaha beach assault for real so where's the harm in going out and spending millions on a car collection, some tracts of private land and convincing Ken Block to be my friend. I mean, that's what this is all about right....
RIGHT!?
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1-2 great racing games every few years is too many?
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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 22:37 Post subject: |
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| Glottis wrote: | | Ispep wrote: | There is a bit too many racing games of late actually, sort of like WW2 shooters. But then whatever, I already built a time machine and assisted in the Omaha beach assault for real so where's the harm in going out and spending millions on a car collection, some tracts of private land and convincing Ken Block to be my friend. I mean, that's what this is all about right....
RIGHT!?
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1-2 great racing games every few years is too many? |
agree, there are few really good racing games.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 23:16 Post subject: |
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There are loads of games, recently, upcoming and in the near future - but I was merely using it as a platform to take the piss out of his last comment, not to make a point.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2009 23:24 Post subject: |
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I like the game so far, but how do you advance in a tournament? It let's me race 1 race, i get 10 points from first place and i head back to the camper. When i start the tournament again, it's first race all over... I am almost level 4 now.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Sep 2009 00:22 Post subject: |
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Liking it so far but its basically grid on ice . prefering the actual rally ( ie timing ) to anything else but they seem to be few and far between
and by god that menu gets right on my tits after 5 minutes
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Sep 2009 09:07 Post subject: |
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| appiehappie wrote: | | I like the game so far, but how do you advance in a tournament? It let's me race 1 race, i get 10 points from first place and i head back to the camper. When i start the tournament again, it's first race all over... I am almost level 4 now. |
x games?
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Sep 2009 10:41 Post subject: |
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game is nice, only problem is that point to point rally is less than 20%....
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). even like the the non-rally events, could be cause they aren't such a damn clusterfuck like in dirt1. gfx are awesome and while the menu sure takes its time till you get to actually race, it gives me that warm fuzzy feeling i didn't have in a game for quite a while 
