[XBOX360] x360 summer 09 update
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 09:38    Post subject: [XBOX360] x360 summer 09 update
just want to inform anyone to not update to latest Dashboard, homebrew is around the corner.. Smile if you don't care about homebrew then go ahead and update. Razz


Free60: Dangerous Xbox360 Update Killing to-be released Homebrew Hack
>> We received this news from Felix Domke and Michael Steil at the Free60 Project:
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On Tuesday, Microsoft has released an Xbox 360 software update that overwrites the first stage bootloader of the system. Although there have been numerous software updates for Microsoft's gaming console in the past, this is the first one to overwrite the vital boot block. Any failure while updating this will break the Xbox 360 beyond repair. Statistics from other systems have shown that about one in a thousand bootloader updates goes wrong, and unless Microsoft has a novel solution to this problem, this puts tens of thousands of Xboxes at risk.

It seems that this update is being done to fix a vulnerability already known to the Free60 Project. This vulnerability has been successfully exploited to run arbitrary code, and a complete end user compatible hack has been in development for some time and is planned to be released on free60.org shortly. It will allow users to take back control of their Xboxes and run arbitrary code like homebrew applications or Linux right after turning on the console and without the need of a modchip, finally opening up the Xbox 360 to a level of hacking as the original Xbox.

Because of the dangerousness of the update and the homebrew lockout, the Free60 Project advises all Xbox 360 users to not update their systems to the latest software version. The Project website at http://free60.org/ will provide the latest information on this ongoing topic, including the final hack software.

Free60 (www.free60.org) is a project that aims to enable Xbox 360 users to run homebrew applications and operating systems like Linux on their consoles. The effort is headed by Felix Domke and Michael Steil, who have a background in dbox2, Xbox and GameCube hacking, and who have spoken at various conferences about their findings. Two years ago, Free60 released a hack that allowed arbitrary code execution using a game ("King Kong Hack") as well as an adapted version of Linux, but this possibility has been disabled by Microsoft in subsequent updates of the Xbox 360 software.

Felix and Michael have repeatedly argued that game console manufacturers should open up their platforms to Linux and homebrew, similar to what Sony has done with the PlayStation 3.
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 09:59    Post subject:
To people that don't understand what this means..with this hack there is complete control over the 360 console.. so hacked dashboards could be a reality .. unsigned xex will run.. so dvd check could be patched.. 1 TB HD full with all your 360 games. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 10:23    Post subject:
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KrutojPoc




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 10:30    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:
To people that don't understand what this means..with this hack there is complete control over the 360 console.. so hacked dashboards could be a reality .. unsigned xex will run.. so dvd check could be patched.. 1 TB HD full with all your 360 games. Razz

That's good, but soon all games will install this update by force. So you can't play any new games, you can't use Live cause it also forces to update etc until this hack will be released. It may take years, pray that it will be released at all.
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 10:48    Post subject:
KrutojPoc wrote:
highstuff wrote:
To people that don't understand what this means..with this hack there is complete control over the 360 console.. so hacked dashboards could be a reality .. unsigned xex will run.. so dvd check could be patched.. 1 TB HD full with all your 360 games. Razz

That's good, but soon all games will install this update by force. So you can't play any new games, you can't use Live cause it also forces to update etc until this hack will be released. It may take years, pray that it will be released at all.


Well it seems they are very serious about this they won't warn people with no reason..
I believe that they will release it.. as for forced updates for new games..unsigned xex will run so it could be cracked. and this new dash can be spoofed..
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kalato




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 10:57    Post subject:
Games could be fooled with a launcher so you can start playing the games.


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alucard_xs




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 10:57    Post subject:
but we will need to use a chip right ?
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KrutojPoc




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 11:34    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:

Well it seems they are very serious about this they won't warn people with no reason..
I believe that they will release it.. as for forced updates for new games..unsigned xex will run so it could be cracked. and this new dash can be spoofed..

They warn because if people update that will make all their hard work wasted. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean they are going to release it soon or anytime at all. You can only hope or forget about it and update.
I barely use Live at all, and i will wait until Brutal Legend is released this october. If nothing happens, fuck it, i will update to play this game Razz
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 12:45    Post subject:
KrutojPoc wrote:
highstuff wrote:

Well it seems they are very serious about this they won't warn people with no reason..
I believe that they will release it.. as for forced updates for new games..unsigned xex will run so it could be cracked. and this new dash can be spoofed..

They warn because if people update that will make all their hard work wasted. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean they are going to release it soon or anytime at all. You can only hope or forget about it and update.
I barely use Live at all, and i will wait until Brutal Legend is released this october. If nothing happens, fuck it, i will update to play this game Razz


one guy of the team that hacked it already said on xboxhacker.net that he is going to release it.
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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 13:29    Post subject:
alucard_xs wrote:
but we will need to use a chip right ?

Yes you will need to get a chip in the box.
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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 14:24    Post subject:
Confusing to me, My son has an old xbox, and recently we just got him a 360...Then I read that its doable to update firmware to play copied games on it so thing hmm ace can save tons of money and just buy DL discs and were away..

Then there is this as well regarding xbox 360 updates and well it just confuses me,, all I need to know is, will copied 360 games be a dead duck with just firmware hacks?
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mitosisx2
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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 14:29    Post subject:
so does this mean now we can't play xbox 360 games online with just the firmware mod? We need a chip?
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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 15:18    Post subject:
wats that
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 16:08    Post subject:
moosenoodles wrote:
Confusing to me, My son has an old xbox, and recently we just got him a 360...Then I read that its doable to update firmware to play copied games on it so thing hmm ace can save tons of money and just buy DL discs and were away..

Then there is this as well regarding xbox 360 updates and well it just confuses me,, all I need to know is, will copied 360 games be a dead duck with just firmware hacks?

No, replacing firmware on the dvd drive enables you to run copies.

This new hack will enable you to create custom shells, like for the old xbox. Install bigger harddrives, install games and run from harddrive etc etc.
It's the holy grail of 360 cracking.
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 17:16    Post subject:
Epsilon wrote:
moosenoodles wrote:
Confusing to me, My son has an old xbox, and recently we just got him a 360...Then I read that its doable to update firmware to play copied games on it so thing hmm ace can save tons of money and just buy DL discs and were away..

Then there is this as well regarding xbox 360 updates and well it just confuses me,, all I need to know is, will copied 360 games be a dead duck with just firmware hacks?

No, replacing firmware on the dvd drive enables you to run copies.

This new hack will enable you to create custom shells, like for the old xbox. Install bigger harddrives, install games and run from harddrive etc etc.
It's the holy grail of 360 cracking.


my 360 might just have a use again!


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Surray




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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 19:59    Post subject:
Epsilon wrote:
alucard_xs wrote:
but we will need to use a chip right ?

Yes you will need to get a chip in the box.


you don't according to Free60.
from their website...
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It will allow users to take back control of their Xboxes and run arbitrary code like homebrew applications or Linux right after turning on the console and without the need of a modchip, finally opening up the Xbox 360 to a level of hacking as the original Xbox.



But yeah this would definitely be nice... I'd really like to have my xbox360 be as useful as my old xbox, with emulators and media players and whatnot. can't really use my xbox anymore because it looks like shit on my HDTV.
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Spiderman
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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009 20:04    Post subject:
lulz go HOmebrew and never go Live or update and go Live

i pick Live and then the NADA chip that auto boots xbox360 into Linux


and i have Linux OS and XBOX360 live
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DeMoN064




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009 02:48    Post subject:
Umm, First of all we had an exploit before incase anyone forgot..
Did we see anything come out of that? Apart from Linux... Nope.

So, what makes this any different? The easiest way to run unsigned xex's would be flashing the debug firmware I assume?

Why has xex booting , not been done in the past? Hm. Strange..
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Kommando




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009 03:05    Post subject:
By the time something good is release, IF there's something, we will probably all bought an Xbox 720 Centurion or something like that. I wont stop playing on Live with all the map packs i bought to wait, maybe for something we dont know when. Thats plain dumb.
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Cohen




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009 03:22    Post subject:
why not just get 2 360 consoles? they are so cheap now.. one for live.. one for homebrew Smile works for me..


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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009 11:52    Post subject:
Epsilon wrote:
moosenoodles wrote:
Confusing to me, My son has an old xbox, and recently we just got him a 360...Then I read that its doable to update firmware to play copied games on it so thing hmm ace can save tons of money and just buy DL discs and were away..

Then there is this as well regarding xbox 360 updates and well it just confuses me,, all I need to know is, will copied 360 games be a dead duck with just firmware hacks?

No, replacing firmware on the dvd drive enables you to run copies.

This new hack will enable you to create custom shells, like for the old xbox. Install bigger harddrives, install games and run from harddrive etc etc.
It's the holy grail of 360 cracking.


Ah i see, like those youtube vids ive seen of awesome desktops for your xbox that allow you to do all sorts with it, fancy menu's for games lists, and various other things, music stuff etc etc.. All looks really good, but I guess I should be ok in future when sorting out kids 360 to just play copies...

Not personaly into the desktop/shell changing on a xbox and neither is my kid lol so good stuff then ill look into firmware updating..
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009 17:37    Post subject:
DeMoN064 wrote:
Umm, First of all we had an exploit before incase anyone forgot..
Did we see anything come out of that? Apart from Linux... Nope.

So, what makes this any different? The easiest way to run unsigned xex's would be flashing the debug firmware I assume?

Why has xex booting , not been done in the past? Hm. Strange..


but that was back in 2006 or 07(1of the2) and the groups where then to late to warn people not to update to the dash that prevented King Kong exploit.., now things are different.
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009 20:07    Post subject:
Until they release a hack where you would be able to use the xbox 360 as a media tank, I'll wait.


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Kommando




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009 20:53    Post subject:
CraweN wrote:
Until they release a hack where you would be able to use the xbox 360 as a media tank, I'll wait.


Same here. First hack will probably be some dumbass shit like adding the weather on your dashboard Laughing
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Masterflat




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009 22:11    Post subject:
Kommando wrote:
CraweN wrote:
Until they release a hack where you would be able to use the xbox 360 as a media tank, I'll wait.


Same here. First hack will probably be some dumbass shit like adding the weather on your dashboard Laughing

first hack will be linux ... for dashboard changes you will have to wait some moths/years.

a POC has been released today. http://free60.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/free60/imgbuild/hack.txt?revision=1.1&view=markup
you need a lpt port to change the nand Confused imho that + the non-live kernel version will give this hack the same future like the KK exploit a year back. no mass use, no mass support, no software....
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Because of the dangerousness of the update and the homebrew lockout


Very Happy Rolling Eyes HAHAHAHA ROFLMAO!!!!! Dangerousness!!! AHAHAHAHahahah....oh what have American public schools succumbed to... Crying or Very sad
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Aug 2009 09:25    Post subject:
Masterflat wrote:
Kommando wrote:
CraweN wrote:
Until they release a hack where you would be able to use the xbox 360 as a media tank, I'll wait.


Same here. First hack will probably be some dumbass shit like adding the weather on your dashboard Laughing

first hack will be linux ... for dashboard changes you will have to wait some moths/years.

a POC has been released today. http://free60.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/free60/imgbuild/hack.txt?revision=1.1&view=markup
you need a lpt port to change the nand Confused imho that + the non-live kernel version will give this hack the same future like the KK exploit a year back. no mass use, no mass support, no software....


over these years other projects have been completed for example a rebooter has been build to reboot into a unsigned kernel. but there was not much use not much people could use King kong exploit, now a much more wider audience would be able to use it.
hacking a dashboard is a walk in the park compared to the running unsigned code once main protection is defeated the cat and mouse game starts. Smile
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Masterflat




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Aug 2009 11:13    Post subject:
i´ve read about that rebooter, but that was never released and often for non existing declared.
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