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report requesters and rule breakers to us...we are just humans.
jesus christ was a gangsta rapper. they killed him. he came back and made a platinum album.
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Jan 2005 00:14 Post subject: |
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| toeffy wrote: | | report requesters and rule breakers to us...we are just humans. |
so you are not a sheep then? YOU LIED TO ME
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Jan 2005 11:47 Post subject: |
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| [mrt] wrote: | uploader, hmm thats a nice idea there. I'll put it on the TODO list.
fisk, UF7 has been around here before you even knew NFOrce existed so please restrain yourself if you have nothing valuable to say. |
Why not just create promtions and post count access levels to sections like world news ?
ie once a user reaches 50 posts he post in the world news section .
It would stop banned idiots signing up again and going straight back in to flame . If they have to make 50 posts before hand theyll think twice about thier behaviour and having to start from scratch again.
I put this idea to Spike a few weeks back but dont know if hes going to impliment it.
Also this place without being insulting seems to have quite a few dormant or just plain lazy mods who seem to like the title but not the work that goes with it moderating a board. |
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Jan 2005 11:59 Post subject: |
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| psychoace wrote: | The only reason I see things getting by or "sliding" is because there is just to much to look at. If you go in pc games forum there are threads that are freakin massive and when big new games come out they are 3 pages deep in an hour. I am forced to skip these threads usually because weeding out the small posts becomes a huge choir that dosn't really accomplish much. The voting system referenced above sounds stupid. We have 1 already for voting on movies and that isn't going well. Letting the public judge someones post is just plain not good. Instead of someone flaming another because the first dude was wrong and the other guy proved him wrong the first action that person is going to do is vote him a lower level so the second guy has a better chance of getting booted or something. Remember we are dealing with kids in mind due to the anonymity when given such resources as a PC http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19&res=l is my best example  |
You to me sound like the perfect example of the lazy mod I just mentioned in my post above.
Moderating isnt just a title its about doing a job .
Over at DF we regularly cull dormant/lazy mods and bring fresh kean ones who actively go about thier duties.
One thing I have learnt over the years is that making someone a moderator just because hes a mate of admin very rarely works out. |
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Jan 2005 14:14 Post subject: |
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Hmm I can agree with your point 4me2 though I think most of the mods here dont have a friendship with the admins or am im wrong?
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Jan 2005 03:14 Post subject: |
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I know I have a limited friendship with the admins. I became a mod though because I was a avid member of another forum and was in the running to be a mod there before it went down. I also have been told by many members that I am one of the more stricter moderators and that is a good thing. It's not lazyness though that keeps me from looking at every single post. I just can't be on the computer more then 4 hours a day. I have a job I am here doing stuff because I love this website. I am not getting paid for any of this neither are the updaters who add the nfo's. You have to understand that we can only hold your hand so much. You got to to be able to ignore or avoid certain posts. Or as been mentioned report bad posts.
Maybe we should have a forum where all the reported posts get thrown in. I know the channel that the reports are usually posted in is pretty empty and so dosn't get checked to often.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Jan 2005 10:42 Post subject: |
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| psychoace wrote: | I know I have a limited friendship with the admins. I became a mod though because I was a avid member of another forum and was in the running to be a mod there before it went down. I also have been told by many members that I am one of the more stricter moderators and that is a good thing. It's not lazyness though that keeps me from looking at every single post. I just can't be on the computer more then 4 hours a day. I have a job I am here doing stuff because I love this website. I am not getting paid for any of this neither are the updaters who add the nfo's. You have to understand that we can only hold your hand so much. You got to to be able to ignore or avoid certain posts. Or as been mentioned report bad posts.
Maybe we should have a forum where all the reported posts get thrown in. I know the channel that the reports are usually posted in is pretty empty and so dosn't get checked to often. |
Ive been admining and moderatoring forums for years mate and Ive seen it all before and heard all excuses before.
Fact is if you havent got the time or commitment to do a job then you shouldnt be doing it . Four hours a day is more than enough to cover a couple of sections . Its not as if anyone here or on any board has to read all posts in every section on the board . Thats why moderators are designated various sections to moderate. |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Jan 2005 12:09 Post subject: |
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It is up to the admins to decide what or how moderators should do their job. I think it is not a good idea to generalise about forums and how much work there is as that depends also on the users on that forum. And I am sure no one wants spam whores because they need the post count to get to some places.
Ipodlounge has it so that when you post a message it says in the box (where you put your message) the standard rule of thumb which they have to delete.
Cheers
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005 02:12 Post subject: |
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It's not a fucking job 4me2 any forum needs as many people the admin can trust to moderate and we got a descent amount of moderators. Sadly most are in europe so they are usually asleep at the same time. I am probably 1 of 3 american moderators on this board. We do this because we want to make this an enjoyable site so we do our best to do that. We can't delete every flamer that decides to come in and flame. What we do is weed out what we can from requesters to just lame posters. We are doing our best and we are far from doing a shitty job at it. If we ban to many people on boarderline flaming we will be considered to up tight and stuck up. Isonews went through a lot of this kind of mentalaty which was talked about on our forums and in irc. If we are to laxed people take advantage of it and get away with it. I think we are at a pretty good balance between the two. We can always improve but all we can really ask is that you all try not to instigate things and help the board out in any way you can. Private messege moderators if you have probelms (we are highlighted as being on the forum in the front of the forum page) go into irc if you really think there is a problem. It's a community we shouldn't have to govern you as much as you expect us to.
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005 06:26 Post subject: |
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i think psychoace hit the nail on the head.. i always think twice when going about banning people, thinking are people gonna think i was too hard on him?? if i don't ban does that look like i was too soft or favoring towards him??? it bothers me , i'm never going to please everyone, even with the excellent addition of the temp ban.
one thing i have learned here... you can never please everyone , its just not possible , i like that post count idea though.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005 08:40 Post subject: |
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| 4me2 wrote: |
Also this place without being insulting seems to have quite a few dormant or just plain lazy mods who seem to like the title but not the work that goes with it moderating a board. |
I agree. There are some mods who i've never seen, or only seen once.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005 11:10 Post subject: |
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| psychoace wrote: | | It's not a fucking job 4me2 any forum needs as many people the admin can trust to moderate and we got a descent amount of moderators. Sadly most are in europe so they are usually asleep at the same time. I am probably 1 of 3 american moderators on this board. We do this because we want to make this an enjoyable site so we do our best to do that. We can't delete every flamer that decides to come in and flame. What we do is weed out what we can from requesters to just lame posters. We are doing our best and we are far from doing a shitty job at it. If we ban to many people on boarderline flaming we will be considered to up tight and stuck up. Isonews went through a lot of this kind of mentalaty which was talked about on our forums and in irc. If we are to laxed people take advantage of it and get away with it. I think we are at a pretty good balance between the two. We can always improve but all we can really ask is that you all try not to instigate things and help the board out in any way you can. Private messege moderators if you have probelms (we are highlighted as being on the forum in the front of the forum page) go into irc if you really think there is a problem. It's a community we shouldn't have to govern you as much as you expect us to. |
Dont start effing and blinding at me I was moderating forums when you were probably still wearing nappies. Nice of you to blow your own trumpet but fact is most of the moderators here are lazy . I complained about it a long time ago long before your name even popped up here.
Max is one of the few moderators here who is active and invests the time to the board. Hes also recognised thats its impossible to be able to please everyone.
Now stop trying to patronise me as Ive already stated when it comes to moderating Ive probably got a few more years experience under my belt than you. |
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005 11:14 Post subject: |
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Venom^
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005 11:35 Post subject: |
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Maybe you should be a mod here then 4me2 since we are all childs 
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005 11:44 Post subject: |
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| Venom^ wrote: | | Maybe you should be a mod here then 4me2 since we are all childs |
I dont have the time to commit here as DF takes up all my time.
At one time in the past I was admining 3 board and moderating 4 others at the same time. I soon learnt that to do a job properly you need to put full commitment into one place . You cant successfuly dance at two weddings . Somewhere along the line corners get cut. |
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fisk
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005 18:36 Post subject: |
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I think what 4me2 wants to say is that what goes on behinds the scene is somewhat less important than what moderation occurs on the board.
There obviously is a need for moderation, there obviously is a lack of it. Whether this is a conscious decision or not is probably the question I would ask.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005 04:50 Post subject: |
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I know I, other mod's and admins have said this to many members so I will say it to you 4me2. If you don't like it then leave. We can't satisfy everyone's tastes. It's impossible to get rid of every single bad member in this board. If we can do it then I am sure the world would be at peace by now because there is a bigger ratio of people helping the world to become a peaceful place then there is mod's helping the members of this board. This site is ran off of the donations of members and the time people put in to keep it going. This is not a corperation there is no big huge surpluss of money that the admins are swimming in right now. If there is ever a profit made from this site (which last i remember it dosn't) it goes into buying servers to keep the site up. There is nothing more i can say that will convince you to change your mind so my last words are if you don't like it then don't come back.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005 12:17 Post subject: |
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| psychoace wrote: | | I know I, other mod's and admins have said this to many members so I will say it to you 4me2. If you don't like it then leave. We can't satisfy everyone's tastes. It's impossible to get rid of every single bad member in this board. If we can do it then I am sure the world would be at peace by now because there is a bigger ratio of people helping the world to become a peaceful place then there is mod's helping the members of this board. This site is ran off of the donations of members and the time people put in to keep it going. This is not a corperation there is no big huge surpluss of money that the admins are swimming in right now. If there is ever a profit made from this site (which last i remember it dosn't) it goes into buying servers to keep the site up. There is nothing more i can say that will convince you to change your mind so my last words are if you don't like it then don't come back. |
Once again Ill just say dont try to patronise me.
I know exactly how boards work and have never suggested anywhere at anytime there was any financial gain . Infact I have never mentioned the board finances except once a few months back when I offered to donate some money towards help getting a VB licence the offer was turned down.
One thing you still need to learn as a moderator is to accept criticism and not try to take the easy way out by simply telling me to go if I dont like it.
Any board is only as good as its members and a sucessful one listens to it members and tries where possible to impliment ideas that can help to improve the quaility of the board. Ok not all ideas will be good but to just ignore or dismiss them without any consideration is the wrong route to go. This if you dont like it then go easy way out you seem to have adopted is just plain arrogance and you are using it as defence of your own personal shortcommings. |
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[mrt]
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005 15:00 Post subject: |
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| [mrt] wrote: | Ok, time for me to jump in. First off, mind pointing me to any bad threads that werent taken care of in a matter of an hour+/-? From my perspecive the bad posts seem to be vapourising quicker the last couple of weeks since we recruited some extra mod-power. To be honest, i dont see any posts lately that show or suggest that we need even more mod-power. Altho i dont check World News, im not very fond of that section anyway.
| Quote: | | Why not just create promtions and post count access levels to sections like world news ? |
On the TODO list as of now.
| Quote: | | Any board is only as good as its members and a sucessful one listens to it members and tries where possible to impliment ideas that can help to improve the quaility of the board. |
And yes, we do listen to our members and try to implant new ideas...dont we always?  But if something doesnt get done ASAP, you have to understand we are only human and some things have higher priorities.
| Quote: | | Also this place without being insulting seems to have quite a few dormant or just plain lazy mods who seem to like the title but not the work that goes with it moderating a board. |
Yes, we are very much aware of that. |
Thanks for the acknowledgement mate. |
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[sYn]
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Pro-American
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005 23:19 Post subject: |
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Edit by admin - Please go munch on something if you have nothing good to say
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jan 2005 00:30 Post subject: |
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| Pro-American wrote: | | It's hard to get banned if you are Swedish here. |
Im sure if admin were to conduct an IP check on you they might find your an old multiplebanned user. |
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jan 2005 17:14 Post subject: |
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yes we might start improving the moderation by keeping a close eye on you Pro-American...
/me takes a personal note
| Injurious wrote: | | And then Mabel tripped over a rock and landed in a well and was trapped there with Timmy. Sadly I shot Lassie so no one is saving that bitch! |
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005 19:41 Post subject: |
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hmmm not sure what the point of closing it is... we close first so people don't join in and spam it to hell with " wtf" "bann this guy" "useless void" " look ma i'm in al ocked thread" untill we actually move it... i'll open it, i dont care, i just dont see why you would care ? but your wish is my command
second link is just crap, i dont think it needs to be opened
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005 22:32 Post subject: |
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Look ma, Im an locked thread- and no hands!
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 12:22 Post subject: |
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| Martinius wrote: | | Look ma, Im an locked thread- and no hands! |
I knew that there would be someone that could not resist and post something like that 
| Injurious wrote: | | And then Mabel tripped over a rock and landed in a well and was trapped there with Timmy. Sadly I shot Lassie so no one is saving that bitch! |
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