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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 05:48    Post subject: Ordered new PC parts
Well, finally decided on the parts i want and ordered them:

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1 x Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX anthrazit mit Sichtfenster, Tempered Glass (PH-ES515ETG_AG)

1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX schwarz DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3000, CL15-17-17-35 (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15)

1 x Intel Core i7-7700K, 4x 4.20GHz, boxed ohne Kühler (BX80677I77700K)
1 x Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev. B (100700726)
1 x Arctic MX-4, 4g
1 x Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Wärmeleitpaste, 1g (TG-C-001-R)
1 x der8auer Delid Die Mate (Rev. 2)

1 x LG Electronics GP57EB40 schwarz, USB 2.0

1 x Corsair RMx Series RM550x 550W ATX 2.4 (CP-9020090-EU)

3 x be quiet! Silent Wings 3 140mm (BL065)

1 x MSI Z270 Tomahawk (7A68-002R)

(Ordered those two to see which is faster and more quiet)
1 x Toshiba P300 High-Performance 3TB, SATA 6Gb/s, retail (HDWD130EZSTA)
1 x Toshiba N300 High-Reliability 4TB, SATA 6Gb/s, retail (HDWQ140EZSTA)

(not ordered a GPU yet, but hoping to get one of them very soon in a good deal)
1 x Palit GeForce GTX 1070 JetStream, 8GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 3x DisplayPort (NE51070015P2J)
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming X 8G, 8GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 3x DisplayPort (V330-001R)


Even without a new GPU i already paid ~1300€, WTF...
It makes me kinda sad having to pay that much. But well, hopefully it will hold a bit.

And hopefully i can get ~300€ or more for my old PC.

Of course still excited though to see a nice upgrade over my 2500k / slow DDR3 RAM / 970. Very Happy

Most excited to see that case live though.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 07:36    Post subject:
WHAT, no Titan XP? Booh! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 07:59    Post subject:
Nice build!

Be sure to report back on how the delidding went.

I got myself 6 Silent wings 3 high speed fans for my Ryzen build (3 3-pin for the case and 3 PWM for the mobo) . At 5v they are virtually silent, but they can push alot of air on demand. It helps with stability tests for OCs. (Nothing like a good IBT run to get those temps up) They are probably never as silent as the normal silent wings 3 though I suppose.


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 08:12    Post subject:
That is going to be a nice build man.


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 08:38    Post subject:
No SSD? Confused
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 09:54    Post subject:
scaramonga wrote:
No SSD? Confused


Indeed, in that Setup, some NVMe SSD lie a Samsung 960 EVO seems to be a must.


"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 09:58    Post subject:
Price vs storage capacity perhaps although I'd probably go for a SSD next even so for the boot drive and maybe keeping the more actively played games on it for performance with loading and slightly reduced stuttering due to streaming and such. Smile

Then again even mechanical HDD's are ricing in price lately it seems so it's not just the ongoing chip shortage for memory controllers and SSD storage chips.


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Most of the specs look good to me though, far as GPU goes the 1080 is probably not coming down in price any time soon but the 1070 isn't that expensive for the performance it offers and well the 1080Ti is probably well outside of budget for non-enthusiasts.

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Going by pricing here the 1070 hovers around a price point of 500 - 580 Euro, 1080 is around 700 - 850 Euro and the 1080Ti at above 900 Euro.

For direct SEK prices the 1070's started at 4999 SEK and stopped at 5899 SEK for the most expensive third party models, 1080 starts at 7299 SEK and ends at 8599 SEK for the third party model with the highest price, and the 1080Ti starts at 8999 SEK and ends at 9999 SEK for that third party model.

Exception for the 1080Ti is the bundled water cooled model which throws in a HTC Vive, that sells for 15899 SEK.

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A number of stores is also currently doing a price slash on the non-Ti 1080 models with pricing around the 600 to 650 Euro range now.


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 10:07    Post subject:
I say, it depends alot on your dl speeds. I have a 200/100mbit line, so I dont need to have everything installed all the time.

I have one 256GB NVMe Samsung EVO, two SSDs with 256 and 512GB respectively, one 1TB WD Blue and a NAS for Movies, Pictures and Documents.


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 10:20    Post subject:
Yeah a SSD is quite a upgrade what with the hard drive being one of the major bottlenecks in PC's and for SATA3 that caps out at around 600 MB/s though sustained speeds for mechanical HDD's can drop below 100 MB/s or less even for the newer 7200 RPM models.

M.2 in particular which the newer motherboards make use of allows for GB/s speeds so there's a clear difference though even "slower" SSD's greatly outpace mechanical drives and even though TLC and QLC or what the new method was called has affected the estimated life time a bit they are still highly reliable and robust, pretty sure they handle power outages and such too but I haven't read up on it much since I'm still waiting a bit longer until I upgrade my current system. Smile

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@JBeckman: In the Netherlands the 1080 does 530 € and up:

https://tweakers.net/categorie/49/videokaarten/producten/#filter:q1bKTq0szy9KUbJScg-JUDA0sDBQ0lECCqQWuWWm5oDEC4oys4phgsH5RSVAscTiZLhIQWqyJ1CdrqGOUkFiempwZlWqkpWhgYEOSGdyqm9mnpKVQS0A


Yeah Sweden has a pretty high price for computer parts, MSRP on the 1080Ti seems to have been 700 USD / Eur but stores here have it priced at 900 to 1000 Euro.
(Europe in general is a bit more expensive than the US for these things but some countries are worse than others. Very Happy )

But at least the current sales on the 1080 have normalized the pricing a bit, 650 is still about a 100 more than in the Netherlands though.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 12:23    Post subject:
the KFA² GeForce GTX 1080 EXOC is available for 498 euros in germoney

and its not a bad card, just ~50-60 euros more than the 1070 (if you go for a 1070 go for a palit jetstream or a gainward phoenix, dont pay extra money for oced versions)
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 12:43    Post subject:
Hmm I am always a bit skeptical about ordering stuff from unknown manufacturers.

Edit: Better said, manufacturers that I don't know.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 13:18    Post subject:
KFA² is known everywhere else as Galaxy (or GalaxyTech), or was, they renamed to Galax and published products with that name in germany too, then again changed to KFA² again. Kinda big player in the industry, but not well known here. they exist since the early 90s and belong to palit microsystems too
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 16:29    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
scaramonga wrote:
No SSD? Confused


Indeed, in that Setup, some NVMe SSD lie a Samsung 960 EVO seems to be a must.


I still have a 250 SSD i will carry over (OS, Apps, most played games).
Was thinking of buying another 1 TB SSD just for games. But then i thought "meh, i can live with a few more seconds loading times".


paxsali wrote:
Ok so the parts don't look very enthusiastic, so out of curiosity may I ask your current configuration?

What you mean they don't look enthusiastic? If you are talking that i don't go for a 1080 (Ti), then yea. I don't have a need for those yet, as i still only play on 1080p, and probably will do so for an unknown time.


The rest of my current system:
- 2500k OC @ 4.4Ghz
- 16GB DDR3 @ 1366
- MSI 970 Gaming OC
- Some ~6 year old case by Xigmatek i think
- 3 HDDs, that i plan to replace with one of the new HDDs, and use the old 2TB for not so important stuff like porn videos
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 16:50    Post subject:
Laughing Okay, now i'm sure you are just trolling.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 17:27    Post subject:
Razz

but dont fall for the m2 nvme ssd bullshit. keep your old ssd, its noth worth the money cause you will feel no difference. yes those things are fast as hell, but in normal usage you wont notice that (and they get really hot) difference. only worth it if you have workstuff which transfers huge amount of data from one nvme to another
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 17:32    Post subject:
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No worry. Very Happy

Though i must say 2.000M MB/s+ reading and writing is pretty sexy.
But nothing i would ever notice during normal work anyways.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 18:06    Post subject:
For gaming the GPU will make a difference but the rest of the existing components you have already hold up really well though it's partially due to how slow Intel and AMD have been with the CPU development offering ~5% or so gains although the motherboard improvements have some nice changes too and DDR4 offers some nice changes but it won't make a huge difference in overall performance.

GPU is definitively going to make a difference though even for "just" 1920x1080 and you get rid of the ~4 GB VRAM bottleneck too even if it's not as big a deal but even in 1080p there's a couple of games now that go above that limit so that's definitively going to help.

EDIT: CPU is 4 core already which is the sweet spot currently, also clocked up a bit so you're not hitting any limits unless the game is severely CPU dependent, time and time again in even the newest released games when they do a CPU comparison you see exceptional scaling from 2 to 4 cores and then almost nothing at all from 4 to higher although it's slowly changing but it's still not a huge issue.

You do get some new extensions and what not which might see some benefit and again the motherboard improvements such as native PCI-E 3, SATA3, M.2, USB 3.x and what not will be useful as will support for UEFI and having a modern bios UI heh.

RAM sees a nice clock boost but not many games see a direct benefit from that though those that do will definitively show a improvement though well not every game is going to be "optimized" like Fallout 4 is, does lower power usage though as a bonus.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 18:24    Post subject:
@JBeckman
Yea i know GPU upgrade will make the biggest difference. Very Happy

Paying ~100€ more for a 1070 than what i paid for my 970 last year is just hard to justify for me. (Both GPUs in OP cost ~440€ currently)
Though seeing how much better the 1070 performs, the price is somewhat good on the other side.
Just sucks AMD is not offering any competition at all in the higher end GPU market. Crying or Very sad

But i guess i have to bite and buy a new GPU too, or else i will still have a cripple part in the new build. grinhurt
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 18:57    Post subject:
Ignore above baboon and just take it easy on the GPU upgrade, it can wait a little.


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 19:10    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
couleur wrote:
scaramonga wrote:
No SSD? Confused


Indeed, in that Setup, some NVMe SSD lie a Samsung 960 EVO seems to be a must.


I still have a 250 SSD i will carry over (OS, Apps, most played games).
Was thinking of buying another 1 TB SSD just for games. But then i thought "meh, i can live with a few more seconds loading times".
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Why have so many games installed in the first place, especially since you krautkistanis have blazingly fast interwebs in the first place?


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2017 19:13    Post subject:
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I do that now. Very Happy


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Well, instead of writing down my backlog games somewhere, i just install all the games i plan on playing in the future Cool Face


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