| Page 1 of 1 |
|
|
 Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008 11:19 Post subject: GeForce GTX 295 |
|
 |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Epsilon
Dr. Strangelove
Posts: 9240
Location: War Room
|
| Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008 12:24 Post subject: |
|
|
Buying one of these around march 
Make no mistake I still like my 4870X2's, but I have more than one machine I use 
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Frant
King's Bounty
Posts: 24679
Location: Your Mom
|
| Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008 14:14 Post subject: |
|
|
I don't know. ATI's solution is 10x more elegant (well, so are AMD's multi core CPU's, they just can't compete with C2D/C2Q, but you know what I mean) since it's single-card solutions. nVidia is tired of not having the fastest single solution on the planet and just as they did with every earlier GX2-card they're actually sandwiching two GTX"275" cards (275 because the 55nm GPU's are actually somewhere between the 260 and 280 in specs) with lower frequencies than a 280. In other words, ~GTX260'ies in a dual-slab format.
Should still be enough to take top spot for a while, but the price will probably make it even more niche than 4870X2's and 9800GX2's. Still, it's marketing and PR, they don't have to make so many since only a small number will be able to fit it into budget (like our apparently rich ba$tard Ep$ilon  ).
Three-way SLI with with three of these have theoretical monster specs written all over and wouldn't make sense unless there's 8-16GB DDR3 and dual-CPU quad-core chips feeding them. In practical terms most of that power will be wasted since the scaling pretty much dies at a certain point due to drivers, OS, games and hardware limitations (PCIe-bus etc.) Pity, would be nice to see a Vantage score of 100K 
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thudo
Posts: 6309
Location: Mellonville North, Canada
|
| Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008 15:28 Post subject: |
|
|
Well it beats the almighty 4870x2 quite handily in some games and the price should be a tad higher than the current cheapest Sapphire 4870x2 ($570 CDN). Still.. the power consumption of both the 295GTX and 4870x2 is no-where AL GORE-APPROVED. But wow.. these cards just spit out games like their poo. I remember back in early Jan'07 I bought the EVGA 8800GTX with AC3 cooling for almost $900 CDN with shipping/taxes but now these cards have HDMI and offer far more value and $150-200 cheaper than when I bought my last hi-end GPU. At least costs are a little lower.
MSI GT72S 6QF Dominator Pro S 29th Anniversary Intel i7 6820HK @ 4.0Ghz, 32GB DDR4-2133 RAM, 2x256GB Raid0 Toshiba NVMe 2.5 inch PCIe SSD, Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 OC'ed 200+ Core / 200+ Mem, 17.3 inch LG IPS HD Display @ 75Hz, Intel 7265AC Wifi, Windows 10 Pro BIOS version: .112 EC Firmware version: .105
Current Broadband speed record: 329.1 Mb/sec down // 21.73 Mb/sec up
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/3933292.png
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
CaptainCox
VIP Member
Posts: 6823
Location: A Swede in Germany (FaM)
|
| Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008 17:40 Post subject: |
|
|
Acording to [H]Enthusiast
| Quote: | | NVIDIA has definitely made this a worthy competitor to the Radeon HD 4870 X2. But in no way is this a “4870 X2 killer. |
LINK
And the fact that they are announcing it now (before Xmas) sort a shows that they are trying to make ppl wait until after Xmas instead of buying a 4870x2...It's for sure not a show stopper, but at least Nvidia have something to show for now.
| thudo wrote: | | Well it beats the almighty 4870x2 quite handily in some games . |
To me it almost looks like a head to head race, I am judging based on high res tests, as these cards are sort a made for 1920x1200 or 2560x1600.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Frant
King's Bounty
Posts: 24679
Location: Your Mom
|
| Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008 17:44 Post subject: |
|
|
Like AnandTech ends the preview of the GTX295:
"That said, how sad is it that NVIDIA had to go and push this press info out there 3 weeks before availability just to try and slow AMD's momentum during the holiday season."
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3481
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Frant
King's Bounty
Posts: 24679
Location: Your Mom
|
| Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008 19:38 Post subject: |
|
|
| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | Makes no difference to me. I still consider the 280GTX the fastest single card solution when everything is taken into account. But I see no reason for 4870X2 owners to go nuts defending their purchase as far as I can tell Nvidia's offering is faster but to what degree varies.
All that matters is a more powerful GPU is being released for you power hungry bastards. I don't give a damn who makes it so long as it's faster.
What difference does it make when it's released? You guys get too involved in this, as if Nvidia's marketing approach someone effects you as a buyer. Stop defending your purchasing decisions. |
nVidias marketing approach does affect us as buyers whether you realise it or not. If they stifle ATI income, competition is out of sync and nVidia can ignore price drops and spend their time buying developers with their TWIMTBP while ATI have to drop prices to survive, making it extremely difficult to develop competitive hardware. Thus competition is one-sided and consumers get the shaft with much crappier price/performance ratios.
However, it's not extremely important, it's more a display of the desperate ethics that nVidia displays than anything else. It also tells the tale of a company (nVidia) in trouble. They've lost a TON of money on the bumpgate stuff, losing creds with HP, Apple, Dell etc. and went brute force to compete with ATI, ending up with huge GPU's that cost a lot to manufacture yet they're not making much money on their hardware since they had to cut their prices more than they were originally willing to do because ATI got a win with the HD48x0-series. Great price/performance-ratio, focusing on performance and mainstream instead of wasting enormous resources to take the #1 spot with a monster chip.
In the end it doesn't matter much whether you go green or red, it's all about the best price/performance ratio in your particular price range.
| Quote: | | Makes no difference to me. I still consider the 280GTX the fastest single card solution when everything is taken into account. |
and...
| Quote: | | Stop defending your purchasing decisions. |
Hehe, there's a slight contradiction there, very subtle but still there. 
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008 19:59 Post subject: |
|
|
I don't own a 280GTX just despise multi-card solutions. And your rant there is summed up by:
| Quote: | | However, it's not extremely important |
Like I said, in this situation their approach toward marketing the flagship card does not necessarily hurt buyers thus not mattering at all. Stop looking at video cards as super models and instead treat them like fat ugly bitches. I don't give a fuck what comes out when from who or how, as long as it plays the games I enjoy to my satisfaction.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Epsilon
Dr. Strangelove
Posts: 9240
Location: War Room
|
| Posted: Sat, 20th Dec 2008 05:52 Post subject: |
|
|
The reason I'm getting an Nvidia card is for Linux and OpenGL 3.0 testing. Which will make it easier for me to work from home, rather than having to wait for debugging period to happen elsewhere
Nvidia have far better support for Linux than Ati - Ati's graphics drivers are almost practically useless, you've no easy way of knowing if an issue is driver related or external.
True AMD supports opensource and helps develop the open source driver, but working 3d driver and technical information for the R700 chip is still marked as "classified" which is just not good enough.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SycoShaman
VIP Master Jedi
Posts: 24468
Location: Toronto, Canada
|
| Posted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008 06:34 Post subject: |
|
|
| CaptainCox wrote: | Acording to [H]Enthusiast
| Quote: | | NVIDIA has definitely made this a worthy competitor to the Radeon HD 4870 X2. But in no way is this a “4870 X2 killer. |
LINK
And the fact that they are announcing it now (before Xmas) sort a shows that they are trying to make ppl wait until after Xmas instead of buying a 4870x2...It's for sure not a show stopper, but at least Nvidia have something to show for now.
| thudo wrote: | | Well it beats the almighty 4870x2 quite handily in some games . |
To me it almost looks like a head to head race, I am judging based on high res tests, as these cards are sort a made for 1920x1200 or 2560x1600. |
are you going to grab this card?
I know I just got my 4870X2 but do you think the nvidia card will be a ton better? cuz if so, I think I will go out an get it |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LeoNatan
☢ NFOHump Despot ☢
Posts: 73357
Location: Ramat HaSharon, Israel 🇮🇱
|
| Posted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008 07:11 Post subject: |
|
|
You can see the benchmarks, they are pretty much the same... In one game the nV produces 5-10 fps more, while in another game the ATI card does the same.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008 07:33 Post subject: |
|
|
I think it's a superior card(s) solely based on minimum framerates. Those benchmarks show it as unanimously faster regardless by how much. I don't see why it would matter to you 4870X2 owners given what that card already does. There's nothing on the market short of unoptimized POS games that stress either of these cards under 2560x1600.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Frant
King's Bounty
Posts: 24679
Location: Your Mom
|
| Posted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008 20:16 Post subject: |
|
|
ATI is already readying their 4970 for release this spring so just hold your horses until more is known about it. From what I've read it's a shrunk core, higher frequencies, lower power usage, possibly added SP's (this last bit is a rumor since nothing has been publicly announced yet).
EDIT: There's also rumors about nVidia releasing their GT300-chip first half of 2009.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
Last edited by Frant on Tue, 23rd Dec 2008 18:53; edited 1 time in total
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JBeckman
VIP Member
Posts: 35136
Location: Sweden
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009 20:14 Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tonizito
VIP Member
Posts: 51499
Location: Portugal, the shithole of Europe.
|
| Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009 20:28 Post subject: |
|
|
| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | | Looks like it's the fastest card now. |
Up to $100 more than a 4870x2 and it doesn't quite clearly beat it.
Anyway couldn't care less; single PCB w/ 2 chips (AMD) or a GT200 "sandwich" (Nvidia) are a waste of money IMO.
If I had the dough I would go with a single card solution (HD4870 or GTX260/280).
Much less likely to run into any issues IMO.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009 22:37 Post subject: |
|
|
Price aside it does beat the 4870X2. It was deemed a wash because both cards use the same max settings throughout the different games although the Nvidia card is a bit quicker.
I agree in thinking all dual card solutions are a waste of money.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Epsilon
Dr. Strangelove
Posts: 9240
Location: War Room
|
| Posted: Wed, 14th Jan 2009 03:26 Post subject: |
|
|
I ordered a 295 gtx for 469€ meh!
Oh well it should be here tomorrow and I'll do a wholly non objective comparison between it and a 4870X2.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Epsilon
Dr. Strangelove
Posts: 9240
Location: War Room
|
| Posted: Fri, 16th Jan 2009 02:06 Post subject: |
|
|
Small update as I venture into the land of Nvidia and the GTX 295.
The latest 181.20 whql driver doesn't work with many games or it performs poorly
Fallout 3 for instance will crash almost immediately.
Theres the 185.20 it's alpha quality and will bsod in many cases.
The only driver you can reasonably use if you have a GTX 295 is the 180.84 driver.
The Linux drivers on the other hand performs very well.
The card itself has so much overclocking potential, I easily upped the core speed by 150mhz, same for the memory, shader was upped by 200 without issues.
EDIT: For vista use this driver http://forums.techarena.in/monitor-video-cards/1093045.htm
It has no bsod or otherwise crash inducing issues.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JBeckman
VIP Member
Posts: 35136
Location: Sweden
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Epsilon
Dr. Strangelove
Posts: 9240
Location: War Room
|
| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 15:42 Post subject: |
|
|
Very nice!
Time to buy more flowers.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Page 1 of 1 |
All times are GMT + 1 Hour |
