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CaptainCox
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 Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 18:04 Post subject: So there is somet wrong with my PC after all :( |
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In my Vistax64 thread I mentioned that my PC freezes and stuff. Well it never really went away.
I don't get any BSOD's but the PC just freeze and at that instant I hear really LOUD crackle from my speakers.
I tried to disable my sound card (Creative Fatal1ty PFS) but the freeze still happened.
I checked my ram (offline from boot disc "Memtest86") 0 errors.
I have my trusty EVGA 8800GTX still, so I thought to try that approach.
If that don't work...I guess it must be the MOBO  AND THAT'S A BEATCH!.
What beats me is the really loud crackle coming from the speakers when this happens.
Anyho, if you guys have some other idea, please let me know.
Cheers guys!.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 18:30 Post subject: |
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My pc been locking up for the past few days,
Its fine untill I run a game and 30 mins later it locks up.
took the side panel off and turns out that the small fan on the mobo is running too slow and making the mobo over heat.
Maybe you have the same trouble as me ?
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Nec
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 18:43 Post subject: |
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Are the speakers taking the power directly from the mobo or is there an external power source?
If directly from the mobo, try checking the power supply. Else, I have no idea.
MOBO: Asus P8Z77-M CPU: i7-3770 Cooler: CM Hyper 212 EVO GPU: Gigabyte GTX 980 4GB MEM: 16GB Kingston HyperX Beast 2133Mhz SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB HDD: WD Black 3TB Sata 6Gb/s CASE: Corsair Carbide 330R PSU: Antec HCG 620W Semi-Modular
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 18:47 Post subject: |
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No...don't think so. Water Cooling and I am monitoring all my temps in Everest Ultimate.
CPU=29c
MOBO=42c
North Bridge=37c
South Bridge=37c
etc...
I was sort a thinking that as well for a while (heat that is) but I have been checking the temps (have the sidebar feature from Everest on in VISTA) looks like this
So when the PC freezes I can still see what temp each component had at the time of the freeze.
| Nec wrote: | Are the speakers taking the power directly from the mobo or is there an external power source?
If directly from the mobo, try checking the power supply. Else, I have no idea. |
No have a Logitech G51 5.1 system so it's external power (from a wall socket). Had a new PSU (Corsair 750W) installed like last Saturday...should be sufficient to run the rest.
3xInternal HD's WD (2 Raptors in Raid + 350 WD)
2xExternal USB Mybook WD
Creative Fatal1ty FPS
Pioneer DVDR Rom
HD4870x2
ASUS Rampage Formula
C2D E8500 @ 4GHz
Water Cooling stuff, like pump and 4 extra fans for the Radiator.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 18:55 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | PC just freeze and at that instant I hear really LOUD crackle from my speakers. |
Definitely power-related I'd say.
Check PSU, cables, etc. - remember not to have the computer connected through too many extension/multi-socket thingymajigs. I connect mine straight to the wall, as many power-supplies don't like fluctuations (disturbances) from too many gadgets connected to the same multi-socket thingy.
edit: Overheated PSU?
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 19:00 Post subject: |
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yeah, could be the PSU or the power-socket. Or the amp of the speakers is shot and gives back electricity into the socket fucking up the circuitry of the pc.
or just not enough volt going to your cpu (just up the voltage a little bit in bios for cpu, ram and chip => if it helps, check out which one of the three it was later on).
if that doesnt help, i d first try to check your system with the speakers off (with headphones). Then i d open up the pc and check for overheating / dust. Then connect the speakers again and disable all the hardware you dont need in your system (dvd and cd-burner, secondary hdds, the second power-cable to your gfx-card, if it needs two, ...) to see if you dont get the problem with less stress on your psu.
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 19:03 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | Quote: | | PC just freeze and at that instant I hear really LOUD crackle from my speakers. |
Definitely power-related I'd say.
Check PSU, cables, etc. - remember not to have the computer connected through too many extension/multi-socket thingymajigs. I connect mine straight to the wall, as many power-supplies don't like fluctuations (disturbances) from too many gadgets connected to the same multi-socket thingy.
edit: Overheated PSU? |
Hm, had a Tagan Pipe rock 800W as it started to happen the 1st time. That died!!!! so I went and bought the Corsair 750W last Saturday. Now the WEIRD thing is...I went back with the Tagan to the shop yesterday to get it repaired/money back...and the guy tested it and it WORKED! WTF!...It was dead...I swear!. The Pipe rock has a lot of diodes (light) when working, like this
I SWEAR! there was not ONE! diode working when I took the PSU out of my case, the PC would not boot and the PSU was dead. That's why I thought I fixed this mess (due to a faulty PSU etc)...But even after I installed the Corsair 750W the Freezes came back...mind you, have been up since home from work here and not one single freeze yet  ...(about 2.5 hours) |
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 19:06 Post subject: |
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might be the internal protection kicking in when too much electricity goes through the psu. Or shoddy wiring to it (or the speaker amp being damaged and fucking up the electricity to it). Try to get electricity from different wall-sockets to check for that
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 19:10 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | yeah, could be the PSU or the power-socket. Or the amp of the speakers is shot and gives back electricity into the socket fucking up the circuitry of the pc.
or just not enough volt going to your cpu (just up the voltage a little bit in bios for cpu, ram and chip => if it helps, check out which one of the three it was later on).
if that doesnt help, i d first try to check your system with the speakers off (with headphones). Then i d open up the pc and check for overheating / dust. Then connect the speakers again and disable all the hardware you don't need in your system (dvd and cd-burner, secondary hdds, the second power-cable to your gfx-card, if it needs two, ...) to see if you dont get the problem with less stress on your psu. |
I ran my PC at "stock" speed (no OC) and it still froze, so I sort a took the OCing out of the equation. The thing is, it has ran flawlessly over 3-4 months at the OC I am running now, and suddenly this shit happens. Actually it started when I installed 2GB more RAM. I have tried with 4GB RAM (What I always had + 6GB, and the freeze still happens). But ok, I might try the speaker theory and see what that gives.
But guys...up now for almost 3 hours and no freeze WTF is up  .
EDIT: CRAP! Just a had a freeze playing COD5 the spekers went "catchunk catchunk catchunk" sort a rythmic white noise...  |
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 19:37 Post subject: |
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if its a rhythmic thing, it s bound to be a system crash and not something to do with the speakers...
edit: and if it s happening while playing, i d venture the guess that it s because of driver-issues.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2008 23:39 Post subject: |
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Another crazy idea..maybe dust causing a short between the motherboard and the case? I had that happen with a psu before..seemed like the psu had died..but i brought it back to the shop and it worked fine..brought it back..hooked it back up and saw a small "arc" against the case..took EVERYTHING out..cleaned everything..and then replaced it back again..worked perfect after that.
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2008 02:42 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | if its a rhythmic thing, it s bound to be a system crash and not something to do with the speakers...
edit: and if it s happening while playing, i d venture the guess that it s because of driver-issues. |
Drivers seldomly cause such effects. I think it's hardware-related, and I still think that it might be power-related, as in; when it occurs it's due to a power-surge/spike caused by eg. a faulty PSU, or between the PSU and the socket.
Computers can be a bit random sometimes though when it comes to behaviour, so I guess you could try an older set of drivers. Do you run ATI's VPU-recover?
I guess another thing to try is to remove/disable the sound-card - I don't think it's that, but hell - when you're looking for your apartment keys, you may as well check the fridge - coz life is crazy sometimes.
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2008 04:52 Post subject: |
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mainboard..... had all those weird crashes too , thinking it was my PSU cause i exchanged my Corsair that was i swear DEAD and when i put in a new OCZ it worked... now the corsair works perfectly in my bros rig....
do it step by step
take out soundcard, DVD etc, only one harddrive , as barebone as possible , one mem stick etc....
and then test again , it might very well be the GPU too .... ATI cards have powerplay and when it doesnt do alot it downclocks , now this isnt about 3D or 2D mode , but basicly it does that depending on the load , so when i alt tab it happens frequently , also less demanding games like world of warcraft it happens ingame.
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2008 05:25 Post subject: |
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that sucks Captain Morgan...I mean Cox 
But in all serious, I feel ya man. I hate it when I have serious comp problems.
Hope things work out.
I mean, you need some way to get away from the wife and kids lol
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2008 12:52 Post subject: |
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To tired to even start fiddling with cables and screws today . PC have been up and running now for 6h without a single crash...but...I guess it will happen like 1 min after I post this.
Will maybe start pulling out components later but.
Cheers for all the recommendations/tips guys.
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2008 23:24 Post subject: |
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UPDATE!
I posted the same thing on the ASUS forum as I did here.
There is a guy over there called "Alien Grey" pretty switched on dude and all that. This is what he told me.
| Quote: | I think the extra 2GB RAM screwed up your BIOS settings and you have to clear the CMOS.
Don't load your Overclock Profile after the CMOS clear. I don't think you can run your system with 6GB stable with your previous settings for 4GB. Start a new overclock. |
Did that and ran in to "some" trouble with my "Creative X-Fi FPS".
Removed that and plugged in the sound card that came with the MOBO "SupremeFX II". Not that great a sound, but my rig have not crashed as of yet!...could happen any time though  .
But so far so good. I ordered a "ASUS, Xonar D2X/ T" as it seems to be the best out there at the mo. I will of course adjust this according to any "freezes" I get with the current setting etc.
The good thing at the mo is the temps...CPU=24c...@3.1GHz
running at stock at the mo (after the CMOS reset and all that)
Had the power/strength to fiddle with this crap after all... .
One has to do, what one has to do!...push it baby .
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Nov 2008 06:35 Post subject: |
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Good job buddy
See, I wish you and a few other ppl lived near me.
Cause when I have comp problems, I can usually fix them, but it takes a while as I have to look up on how to fix them ya know?
Still, Im happy for ya
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Nov 2008 07:21 Post subject: |
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Sounds nearly identical to the issues I had with my own sound card if that is what's caused those problems.
System would freeze with some loud noise from the speakers.
Found out it's a flaw with the X-Fi series that affects certain users (Seems to be fucking random, annoying as hell.)
Forced me to switch from my X-Fi Elite Pro to the Xonar D2X, it's better compared to sound quality but you lose hardware EAX as the Xonar emulates it (Hard to explain) and not all titles work correctly with it.
(The DX button is best left disabled as it is now, too many recent games have issues and EAX isn't all that important compared to stability.)
By the way it's referred to as the "Squeel of death", google it if you want to see some other examples.
I guess this is fixed on the X-Fi titanium but I don't know.
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Nov 2008 20:23 Post subject: |
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Ok so there is some progress here, 1st the good.
I can run Prime95 or IntelBurn Test without any errors! no freezes no spastic screechy speakers, just stable
Now the bad...
Could only do this after I removed the 2GB of ram that I added (2x1GB Dominators 1066)
Conclusion...not sure
Either defect RAM (weird because I ran Memtest boot disc with zero errors)
Or the RAM controllers on the board are fuked.
I will get another set of 2x2 1066, that's what I have now, maybe my mobo don't like when you mix stuff or somet.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Nov 2008 20:58 Post subject: |
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Were you getting the crashes even while running those stress tests earlier? Should be easy enough to eliminate the mem as the cause by just running those tests again with all the sticks installed.
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Nov 2008 21:33 Post subject: |
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Yup exactly what i did (with and without the extra 1x2 Gb sticks). I also upped my CPU voltage by a hair and now all runs super stable, been running Prime95 here for almost 1h, no errors...
Still a tad weird as I had zero errors in memtest (all 6Gb installed) using the boot disc, but whatever.
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Dec 2008 17:40 Post subject: |
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Final update I hope!
Got 2x2 of Dominator 1066 EXACTLY the same spec from the one I had in the machine before. Cleared CMOS and put them in. Did my BIOS stuff (Boot disc order etc) booted up and ran Prime95 for 1h...ALL OK!!!.
Gdamit! was a bit of a ride this, I think its been said before, but I say it again, this board is very particular when it comes to RAM for some reason.
All well that ends well...8Gb of 1066 purring away...for now at least
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