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Hey guys im upgradin tha CPU and I have picked 2 out... Though I dont know what to choose :S
1. Athlon 64 3200+
Or
2. Intel Pentium 3.2 Prescott...
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Why are you upgrading, could you wait?
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2004 22:51 Post subject: |
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ok I tested it on:
3.2HTT P4
1024 400mhz duel channel DDR
9800XT 128mb
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1600 x 1200
Ultra High Graphics
All advanced options on full.
The game ran, while running around the levels and shooting etc everything was pretty much perfect. Everytime you went through a door however you got a seccond or too of pause which is no doubt due to the GFX card loading new textures. It took around 1 minute to load a level too. So overall the performance was very good. When running PCmark04 I get a score of around 4700 I plan on 3Dmark04'ing it at somepoint in the future...
Anymore info?
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I have a similar system as described by [sYn] but with Athlon XP 3200+ and it runs doom 3 very smoothly in hi-res (my guess is that this is mainly beacuse of the 1 gig RAM), so I don't see a reason why not to go for a non-64 bit system right now. Things may change in the future though 
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Oct 2004 13:07 Post subject: |
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i had the same prob, but i went with the amd 64, its supposedly better for gaming, and i clocks wery well! the clawhammer core had a one mb cache but din't clock as good as the newcastle, so i got the newcastle, and it runs good. Thing is with the amd 64 that they perform better at lower temperatures and ghz then intel cpu:s they can execute more clockcycles than the presscot without having to be run att the same speed!
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Mmm.. for a start AMD cpu's run about twice as hot as intel cpu's... but.. The fact that you just tried to say ANY chip (intel or amd, it makes no difference) can do more "clock cycles" when CLOCKED lower.. Dude, the cpu "mhz" is the cpu's CLOCK speed, thus it dictates how many clock cyles it runs in a seccond.. AMD's will not do more clock cycles than a intel at a lower speed.. that just makes no sense..
Just.. shush.. *gives you something to hide behind*
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Oct 2004 23:57 Post subject: |
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I would go for an intel p4 for socket 775 with 3 or 3.2ghz and a 915 or 925 board with pcie (i explained in my last post why i would go for pcie now). But you also need DDR2 memory for these intel chipsets.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Oct 2004 04:34 Post subject: |
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Buy based on price in relation to speed, dont believe any bullshit about Intel better then AMD or other way around, its simply not true.
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I would say buy amd for many reasons here they are
1. Longevity: with 64bit feature already in the chip you wont have to worry about it growing old sooner then the 32bit intel's
2. Amd does run cooler now with the new chip. People are getting 30-40c with the 3200+ with stock cooling (that means the retail fan and heatsink)
3. The new intel chips are horribly hard to install since the pins arn't on the chip they are part of the mobo and the pins are extremly sensitive so if you put any amount of pressure your screwed.
4. Intel hasn't put out a 64bit cpu because they don't know how to make one. Amd and even Apple has 64bit cpu they are just lagging behind proof in this is the fact that they have been stuck at 3.2-3.4 ghz for the past year now. Intel try's to make themself seem cooler because of there p4extreme edition that just add's 512kb of cache and a few hundred bucks to the price tag.
5. I am hearing a lot of reviews now that the new intel chips are getting extremly hot. Some sites are even contesting that it stock cooling isn't enough for these power hogs.
Save money buy amd
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| psychoace wrote: | I would say buy amd for many reasons here they are
1. Longevity: with 64bit feature already in the chip you wont have to worry about it growing old sooner then the 32bit intel's |
64bit is even more useless than pcie, many ppl think 64bit means everthing runs faster, that's simply not true
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The new intel chips are horribly hard to install since the pins arn't on the chip they are part of the mobo and the pins are extremly sensitive so if you put any amount of pressure your screwed. |
I have done it several times and it's not that hard, you just have to be careful and in comparison with the old athlons it is much safer.
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4. Intel hasn't put out a 64bit cpu because they don't know how to make one. Amd and even Apple has 64bit cpu they are just lagging behind proof in this is the fact that they have been stuck at 3.2-3.4 ghz for the past year now. Intel try's to make themself seem cooler because of there p4extreme edition that just add's 512kb of cache and a few hundred bucks to the price tag. |
haha that made my day psychoace. Intel does build 64bit cpu's for a long time. Itanium is 64bit and even the p4ee has 64 bit by now and dell and oterhs do ship prescotts with em64t enabled. Intel just doesn't make a big marketing hype out of it, since it's still useless because windows 64bit is still missing.
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041019/athlon64_4000-02.html
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Save money buy amd |
amd is not that cheaper than intel
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Oct 2004 10:03 Post subject: |
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What i was trying to say was!
(for the amount of money spent)
my 64 3200+ @ 2400ghz = idle 30C in game =40-45c
A 2200ghz amd performs just as good as a 3200ghz intel cpu! this because it performs more operations per clock cycle than the intel cpu!
[/list]AMD is the preferd gaming cpu
No more intel fanboy bs, all of the above is known by anybody who bothers to read some tests! try google: amd vs intel
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| psychoace wrote: | I would say buy amd for many reasons here they are
1. Longevity: with 64bit feature already in the chip you wont have to worry about it growing old sooner then the 32bit intel's |
When a true 64bit OS comes out, I would worry, but by then (as whoknows has already pointed out) intel will have provided, this I assure you. Intel has (TRUE) 64bit cpu's they exist today and 64bit enabled cpu's are here also.
| psychoace wrote: | | 2. Amd does run cooler now with the new chip. People are getting 30-40c with the 3200+ with stock cooling (that means the retail fan and heatsink) |
As true as this might be my 3.2 is sitting at 30 on stock.. so.. yeah  .
| psychoace wrote: | | 3. The new intel chips are horribly hard to install since the pins arn't on the chip they are part of the mobo and the pins are extremly sensitive so if you put any amount of pressure your screwed. |
I have installed these chips hundereds of times, as have many of my friends, they seem to be much easier *opinion*. The reason the pins where moved was due to the CPU's high price and the mobo's much lower price. CPU pins are *just* as easy to break, this just means if your dumb enough to do it, you dont have to pay quite as high a price.
| psychoace wrote: | | 4. Intel hasn't put out a 64bit cpu because they don't know how to make one. Amd and even Apple has 64bit cpu they are just lagging behind proof in this is the fact that they have been stuck at 3.2-3.4 ghz for the past year now. Intel try's to make themself seem cooler because of there p4extreme edition that just add's 512kb of cache and a few hundred bucks to the price tag. |
It adds a mb actualy , they're at 3.6 (with 3.8 on the way) and as already stated, intel created the itanium long before AMD made a 64bit cpu, and as whoknows said, they're here anyway..
| psychoace wrote: | | 5. I am hearing a lot of reviews now that the new intel chips are getting extremly hot. Some sites are even contesting that it stock cooling isn't enough for these power hogs. |
*has 20* They're just as cool .. although I did just OC one to 3.8 and it hit 60 in a shuttle.. funfunfun.. but nothing bad happened.
be happy all. End of the day go for the chip that suites you, dont listen to the hype about either chip creator just read some of the facts provided (by facts I mean actual figures rather than opinions)..
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Oh got i cant believe what nonesense some people are yappin' about. Please go visit a hardware site and read AMD and Intel tests again, i beg you.
| Quote: | | Mmm.. for a start AMD cpu's run about twice as hot as intel cpu's... but.. The fact that you just tried to say ANY chip (intel or amd, it makes no difference) can do more "clock cycles" when CLOCKED lower.. Dude, the cpu "mhz" is the cpu's CLOCK speed, thus it dictates how many clock cyles it runs in a seccond.. AMD's will not do more clock cycles than a intel at a lower speed.. that just makes no sense.. |
Even when you start your way off. That was true a while ago, not today. Stay away from Prescotts (the new P4 core) unless you have very good cooling, and i mean very good. They are a heat bomb. Second, yes, AMD doesnt do more clock cycles but it does process quite abit more instructions per cycle then intel's counterpart. Read-up on the pipe line, Intel optimizied it to crank up speed which is slapping them in the face really hard atm.
Intel currently lags behind AMD's. It simply cant keep up anywhere except multimedia use. AMD's integrated memory controler is doing its part there. In the end, every chip has its pro's and cons. A generic guide-line seems to be: If you work with multimedia, need to have loads and loads of apps open at once (business use), get Intel. If your a home-user who mostly wants to play games...get AMD.
But please google up some reviews and decide for yourself because everyone has his own opinion on this, for some Intel is the holy grail, for others its AMD and some just dont care and want to get whats the best currently on the market 
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Oct 2004 04:07 Post subject: |
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You my friend are so right! nomather what us fanboys says! You are so right! goooooooooooooooogle da freaking hardware!
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Oct 2004 05:21 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | psychoace wrote: | I would say buy amd for many reasons here they are
1. Longevity: with 64bit feature already in the chip you wont have to worry about it growing old sooner then the 32bit intel's |
When a true 64bit OS comes out, I would worry, but by then (as whoknows has already pointed out) intel will have provided, this I assure you. Intel has (TRUE) 64bit cpu's they exist today and 64bit enabled cpu's are here also.
Psychoace: Yes but he isn't buying a cpu next month or three months from now when intel might have the chip out. He is most likly buying it now meaning if he goes intel he has to settle with a 32bit cpu thus meaning upgrading sooner.
| psychoace wrote: | | 2. Amd does run cooler now with the new chip. People are getting 30-40c with the 3200+ with stock cooling (that means the retail fan and heatsink) |
As true as this might be my 3.2 is sitting at 30 on stock.. so.. yeah .
I was referencing the new intel procesers the Extreme crap.
| psychoace wrote: | | 3. The new intel chips are horribly hard to install since the pins arn't on the chip they are part of the mobo and the pins are extremly sensitive so if you put any amount of pressure your screwed. |
I have installed these chips hundereds of times, as have many of my friends, they seem to be much easier *opinion*. The reason the pins where moved was due to the CPU's high price and the mobo's much lower price. CPU pins are *just* as easy to break, this just means if your dumb enough to do it, you dont have to pay quite as high a price.
Psychoace:when you mean "installed these chips hundreds of times" you do mean the 775 one's right?
| psychoace wrote: | | 4. Intel hasn't put out a 64bit cpu because they don't know how to make one. Amd and even Apple has 64bit cpu they are just lagging behind proof in this is the fact that they have been stuck at 3.2-3.4 ghz for the past year now. Intel try's to make themself seem cooler because of there p4extreme edition that just add's 512kb of cache and a few hundred bucks to the price tag. |
It adds a mb actualy , they're at 3.6 (with 3.8 on the way) and as already stated, intel created the itanium long before AMD made a 64bit cpu, and as whoknows said, they're here anyway..
Psychoace: Can you afford a Itaniums?
| psychoace wrote: | | 5. I am hearing a lot of reviews now that the new intel chips are getting extremly hot. Some sites are even contesting that it stock cooling isn't enough for these power hogs. |
*has 20* They're just as cool .. although I did just OC one to 3.8 and it hit 60 in a shuttle.. funfunfun.. but nothing bad happened.
be happy all. End of the day go for the chip that suites you, dont listen to the hype about either chip creator just read some of the facts provided (by facts I mean actual figures rather than opinions).. |
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