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nouseforaname
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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 20:13    Post subject: CPU, MB and RAM advice ... newegg.com
quick suggestions wanted...

best motherboard / dual core cpu / 2 GB RAM combo at newegg... looking for good value and only maybe a couple hundred $ tops! ... probably thinking AMD because the cpu is cheaper ...

I'm deciding whether I should just drop a new cpu in my old 939 motherboard (also having to buy another 1 GB of DDR PC3200 memory) or to upgrade the other bits. I plan on keeping my 8600 GT for now btw Wink I should also say, if I go ahead an get a new mb cpu and ram this will be the start of a new media centre pc, so keep that in mind Smile

http://www.newegg.com/

a friend is coming up to visit from NYC in a week or so, so I would need to order asap if I'm going to Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 22:08    Post subject:
AMD x2 3800+ combo deal comes with OCZ Platnium 2x1024


Original price: $195.98
Discount: -$15.00
Combo Price: $180.98

argh damnit, they don't have the good MB's for 939 anymore Sad and neither does tigerdirect.

See if you can find the asus a8n sli-premium, it's an awesome motherboard.

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but since you already got a 939 socket I'd just see if you can update the bios to accept x2's and save yourself the money.


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 22:18    Post subject:
What's the difference between these two cpus, Windsor and Brisbane, both same price

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103206
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103741

also, spykez, if I get new mb + cpu I'm going to get a socket AM2 with DDR2 ... I already have a 939 Asus A8N-SLI Wink Basically I need a good cheap AM2 motherboard Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 22:22    Post subject:
I'm of no use here, Spyke is the AMD wise-man.
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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 23:01    Post subject:
CPU...

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Windsor 2.2GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Processor - Retail - $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103741

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Brisbane 2.1GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Processor - Retail - $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103774


Motherboard ...

GIGABYTE GA-M61P-S3 AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128034


RAM ...
Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail - $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134384

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail - $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

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total = $187 - $207 USD = $175 - $193 CAD


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 23:27    Post subject:
Is the C2D out of your price-range? Sad

Cause it IS way better Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 23:39    Post subject:
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Is the C2D out of your price-range? Sad

Cause it IS way better Wink


it's also not as cheap. Price for performance AMD will win.

Also NOUSE the AM2 socket was virtually useless. Unless your going to get an x2 6000+ or 6400 there really isn't any use of that socket, it was nothing but crap.

The only use for AM2 is IF amd even keeps it for their AMD phenom chips comming out (x2 and x3) but even then it's a stretch.

You already got an awesome motherboard. If you can find it than look for the X2 4400+. I'm still on my 939 with a 4400 and there isn't anything my system can't handle.

The two processors you picked out offer no real performance gain worth the extra money over the 3800+ especially since it could be overclocked decently.

The kingston memory im not too sure of but given the price it seems like their "value" kit which isn't all that great. If your going to use kingston use their "hyper x" series but that's pretty expensive so you'll be better off with the G-Skill but still even then the performance of that specific DDR2 isn't worth the upgrade to AM2 seeing as the times are a lot shittier than DDR's pc3200




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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 23:42    Post subject:
Can't you squeeze E4300 or something of that sorts in your budget? They are really so much better.
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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 23:47    Post subject:
Well, if you really really cant afford a C2D, atleast go for the G.Skill RAM instead of the Kingston Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007 23:53    Post subject:
_SiN_ wrote:
Is the C2D out of your price-range? Sad

Cause it IS way better Wink


Ditto.

And agreed, at stock settings AMD is cheaper...however...

If the guy plans on O/C'ing...even just a bit...why not go for a C2D which has pretty much a 50% OC guaranteed on stock volts. That way, for less than 200 bucks, you can be getting FX- worthy gaming and application performance, from a budget chip. These days it is almost crazy to buy a chip and NOT OC it.

And well, at OC'ing headroom, AMD just sucks serious ass these days. C2D is the way to go.


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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 00:04    Post subject:
upstart_69 wrote:
AMD just sucks serious ass these days.


that's an understatement lol


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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 00:07    Post subject:
Well, honestly, the C2D´s OC ridicuosly easy and well, i mean mine is OC´d over 500 mhz over the stock frequency, with stock cooler, and its just flawless.

Some people even go to 3.5-3.6 with the stock cooler Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 00:23    Post subject:
eh, intel are corporate assholes and I refuse to buy into them reguardless of how "good" they are. AMD has been kicking intels ass up and down the field for years and this core 2 duo was the first time they out did AMD in years so im sure AMD will reclaim their thrown. That and I have no respect for a company that pushes ads as much as intel does to the point where I have to see their shit in my games.


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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 00:25    Post subject:
You have an nVidia card and you see ads in games for that as well Laughing Location: Kingdom of contradiction Razz

Why do you care who's behind the product? If a product is good, then I'll have it regardless of the company behind it. There were years where I had AMD CPUs and GPUs. Currently they are bad, so I stay away.
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 00:27    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
You have an nVidia card and you see ads in games for that as well Laughing Location: Kingdom of contradiction Razz


I haven't seen an in game ad for nvidia other than in the start up videos which I delete anyways.


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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 00:28    Post subject:
If I can remember games where nv had ads, I'll post them here... Too tired to remember anything (not that I do when I'm not tired).

Read the edit above Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 00:38    Post subject:
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=680762#680762

as to not hijack this thread with debating


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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 04:25    Post subject:
Go the cheapest route - best price performance ratio. It's not written law that you have to adopt the fucking C2D craze that's spread across the galaxy. If i were to build a nice system with finances in mind right now I'd go for AMD.

And would skip 939 regardless of there being no difference between it and AM2. Only because of the availability of the Mobo's not to mention DDR2 is ridiculously cheap now anyway so I don't see it as a losing situation.

Start the Revolution! FUCK INTEL! (I own 2 C2D's and love them btw Laughing )
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 04:27    Post subject:
ya the only use I see for AM2 is AMD is release the phenom X2 (not sure if the X3 is going to hit AM2 as well) version for AM2


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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Nov 2007 16:31    Post subject:
ok then, looks like I'll just get a 939 cpu for my current motherboard and another 1 gb of PC3200 RAM ...

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Toledo 2.0GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor - $56
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103052

Crucial 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Desktop Memory Model CT12864Z40B - $57
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227221

not bad for having to get it shipped to NYC and then brought here, hope airport security doesn't fuck it up. CPU is maybe $70 here and same for the RAM (at tigerdirect.ca)+ 15% tax + shipping = $165 ... after shipping and currency conversion the newegg order is $113 CAD, saving $52 Razz


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Nov 2007 16:49    Post subject:
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what's the difference besides speed, and I guess that the faster one is worth $10 more (but it also includes shipping discount)???


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Nov 2007 17:40    Post subject:
They differ in L2 cache. If i remember correctly Toledo has 1024KB and Manchester 512KB. But you may want to verify that before you decide for either of them.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Nov 2007 18:10    Post subject:
The faster Toledos (4400+ and 4800+) have 2x1MB L2 cache while 3800+ and 4200+ have 2x512MB. And the 4200+ Manchester also has 2x512MB so in this case the cache size for both the cpus is the same.

http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUSideBySide.aspx?id=70&id=71

What does all that mean? You're paying 10 bucks for basically a cpu running 200MHz faster. Unless the Toledo revision has some additional overclockability which could take it beyond what you could achieve with the 4200+ Manchester. You could go for the 3800+ and crank up the bus speed.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Nov 2007 18:40    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
eh, intel are corporate assholes and I refuse to buy into them reguardless of how "good" they are. AMD has been kicking intels ass up and down the field for years and this core 2 duo was the first time they out did AMD in years so im sure AMD will reclaim their thrown. That and I have no respect for a company that pushes ads as much as intel does to the point where I have to see their shit in my games.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Nov 2007 20:13    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
The faster Toledos (4400+ and 4800+) have 2x1MB L2 cache while 3800+ and 4200+ have 2x512MB. And the 4200+ Manchester also has 2x512MB so in this case the cache size for both the cpus is the same.

http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUSideBySide.aspx?id=70&id=71

What does all that mean? You're paying 10 bucks for basically a cpu running 200MHz faster. Unless the Toledo revision has some additional overclockability which could take it beyond what you could achieve with the 4200+ Manchester. You could go for the 3800+ and crank up the bus speed.


OK so the difference is that the Toledo is E6 stepping and the Manchester is E4 stepping, but fuck do I know what the difference is, and google only seems to reveal that nobody else does.

Also because of the shipping difference the 4200+ is only $7 more than the 3800+, so I guess I should go for the faster processor? Oh, I also have 0 experience with overclocking Wink


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Nov 2007 21:41    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
so I guess I should go for the faster processor? Oh, I also have 0 experience with overclocking Wink


Bingo!

Funny thing is that the E6 cores should all have 2x1MB cache but I read somewhere that AMD disabled half of that on some chips because of faulty transistors. Would be nice if you could get hold of a 4800+ or even a 4400+ with the full L2 cache. But I guess that the 4400+ wont be just 10 or 15 bucks steeper. The full cache will mean that those will be retailing for the price AMD had in mind when they made them.

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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Nov 2007 22:46    Post subject:
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Would be nice if you could get hold of a 4800+ or even a 4400+ with the full L2 cache


yeah that 4200+ is the fastest 939 X2 they have at newegg, but at least the price is right Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Nov 2007 00:10    Post subject:
too bad they didn't have the 4400+, best chip for the 939


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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Nov 2007 23:00    Post subject:
btw, this is how I plan on paying for this Razz



http://toronto.craigslist.ca/sys/478296191.html

a bit pricey I know but agp cards seem to go for more here for some reason, there are other comparable cards with similar prices for sale here, I guess decent used agp cards are hard to come by ...

one offer so far, for the full price. except they want to pay by paypal and have it shipped Rolling Eyes

I'd let it go for $20 less just not to ship it and get cash Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Nov 2007 23:04    Post subject:
lmao, ya have such a nice hand.

If I had the money I'd take it off your hands


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