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| Anthirs wrote: | | wouldnt it be better to wait and SEE before you whine? |
We are discussing within the info that they have provided so far. We both have the same info. He says its 'something new' and I say it doesn't. |
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007 18:47 Post subject: |
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Ahh..in that case - sorry.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007 18:50 Post subject: |
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| Anthirs wrote: | | Ahh..in that case - sorry. |
You're welcome mate  |
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007 19:03 Post subject: |
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anythings possible...
GTA3, Resident Evil 4, these 2 titles successfully rebooted 2 series. although ill mention that by all accounts RE4 sucked balls on PC, and GTA wasn't re imagined so much as it was built on.
i still dont think this game is gonna be playable by me at any rate. another esc/options/nothing there kinda game. lets talk after System Shock 3 hits.
i just wish we could get Diablo 3 in 2008.
“There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not”
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007 19:06 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | k-limero wrote: | | Anthirs wrote: | | wouldnt it be better to wait and SEE before you whine? |
We are discussing within the info that they have provided so far. We both have the same info. He says its 'something new' and I say it doesn't. |
Being able to pause a FPS like game and issue commands to your character and possibly to allies is new, I'd like to see what other games with that feature you can come up with. |
well i think it says third person, you can play FPS. so think Neverwinter Nights if it had FPS views. dunno how FPS, AP, and being able to attack without AP is gonna work out, unless its just your gun charging and you can kick or knife some punks.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007 20:20 Post subject: |
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| k-limero wrote: | To me that pause thing and action points are no more than an excuse to make it look something like 'turn based' and keep people happy.
You can still fight without 'action points'? come on guys. what's the different then?
Even they call it with a 'cool' name like if they were going to revolutionize the game industry as we all know it now!
EDIT: 'action points that charge back up'... doesn't anyone remind it of MANA? |
Jesus fucking Christ, dude, what is your problem?
You know what I think, k-limero? They could be describing this game and have it sound exactly like Fallout 2, a genuine second (or rather, third) coming, and you'd still bitch and whine and moan and piss about it. You have thoroughly and irreversibly ingrained this preconceived negative notion about this game into your head, and nothing can rub it out. As I've said before, negativeness for the sake of being negative, because I suppose you think it makes you look like a "cool," hardcore, reminiscing, grizzled old-school Fallout vet. In reality, it makes you sound like a stupid, whiny brat who can't chill his ass out until he knows a little more about what could end up being a great game that stays respectful of the originals, for all you or anyone else knows.
I mean, the proof of your stupid, irreversible attitude, which makes it impossible for you to accept that there could possibly be anything good about this game, is when you take this new info, and do nothing but find a bizarre, roundabout way to bitch about the fact that it isn't a straight-up FPS, which should be a GOOD thing, wouldn't you say? If you were doing anything but trying to sound like a grizzled old-school Fallout fan, you might have expressed some joy at how the game will still be using S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and karma. But no. You want to bitch, because you think it makes you look cool.
Seriously, spare me your whining, go play the Van Buren tech demo, and cry and wank off fantasizing about your idea of what a perfect Fallout 3 should have been. Yeesh.
And one other thing...
| k-limero wrote: | | how can anyone call 'something new' to a FPS with a pause key....? *sigh* |
Uh, name another FPS where I can pause the action and pick my targets as a function of the gameplay.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007 20:35 Post subject: |
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| Cedge wrote: | | k-limero wrote: | To me that pause thing and action points are no more than an excuse to make it look something like 'turn based' and keep people happy.
You can still fight without 'action points'? come on guys. what's the different then?
Even they call it with a 'cool' name like if they were going to revolutionize the game industry as we all know it now!
EDIT: 'action points that charge back up'... doesn't anyone remind it of MANA? |
Jesus fucking Christ, dude, what is your problem?
You know what I think, k-limero? They could be describing this game and have it sound exactly like Fallout 2, a genuine second (or rather, third) coming, and you'd still bitch and whine and moan and piss about it. You have thoroughly and irreversibly ingrained this preconceived negative notion about this game into your head, and nothing can rub it out. As I've said before, negativeness for the sake of being negative, because I suppose you think it makes you look like a "cool," hardcore, reminiscing, grizzled old-school Fallout vet. In reality, it makes you sound like a stupid, whiny brat who can't chill his ass out until he knows a little more about what could end up being a great game that stays respectful of the originals, for all you or anyone else knows.
I mean, the proof of your stupid, irreversible attitude, which makes it impossible for you to accept that there could possibly be anything good about this game, is when you take this new info, and do nothing but find a bizarre, roundabout way to bitch about the fact that it isn't a straight-up FPS, which should be a GOOD thing, wouldn't you say? If you were doing anything but trying to sound like a grizzled old-school Fallout fan, you might have expressed some joy at how the game will still be using S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and karma. But no. You want to bitch, because you think it makes you look cool.
Seriously, spare me your whining, go play the Van Buren tech demo, and cry and wank off fantasizing about your idea of what a perfect Fallout 3 should have been. Yeesh.
And one other thing...
| k-limero wrote: | | how can anyone call 'something new' to a FPS with a pause key....? *sigh* |
Uh, name another FPS where I can pause the action and pick my targets as a function of the gameplay. |
actully i kinde of agree with k-limero, i think they somewhat adding the AP to try and make the extreme fallout fan happier... after all, it seems like there is no use for them since you can fight with out them.
tho im not saying it will turn out shite, i will wait and see, but im sceptical.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007 04:50 Post subject: |
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great, this is not Fallout. It's Fuking Oblivion with Fuking guns >.<
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007 04:58 Post subject: |
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| Cedge wrote: | | k-limero wrote: | To me that pause thing and action points are no more than an excuse to make it look something like 'turn based' and keep people happy.
You can still fight without 'action points'? come on guys. what's the different then?
Even they call it with a 'cool' name like if they were going to revolutionize the game industry as we all know it now!
EDIT: 'action points that charge back up'... doesn't anyone remind it of MANA? |
Jesus fucking Christ, dude, what is your problem?
You know what I think, k-limero? They could be describing this game and have it sound exactly like Fallout 2, a genuine second (or rather, third) coming, and you'd still bitch and whine and moan and piss about it. You have thoroughly and irreversibly ingrained this preconceived negative notion about this game into your head, and nothing can rub it out. As I've said before, negativeness for the sake of being negative, because I suppose you think it makes you look like a "cool," hardcore, reminiscing, grizzled old-school Fallout vet. In reality, it makes you sound like a stupid, whiny brat who can't chill his ass out until he knows a little more about what could end up being a great game that stays respectful of the originals, for all you or anyone else knows.
I mean, the proof of your stupid, irreversible attitude, which makes it impossible for you to accept that there could possibly be anything good about this game, is when you take this new info, and do nothing but find a bizarre, roundabout way to bitch about the fact that it isn't a straight-up FPS, which should be a GOOD thing, wouldn't you say? If you were doing anything but trying to sound like a grizzled old-school Fallout fan, you might have expressed some joy at how the game will still be using S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and karma. But no. You want to bitch, because you think it makes you look cool.
Seriously, spare me your whining, go play the Van Buren tech demo, and cry and wank off fantasizing about your idea of what a perfect Fallout 3 should have been. Yeesh.
And one other thing...
| k-limero wrote: | | how can anyone call 'something new' to a FPS with a pause key....? *sigh* |
Uh, name another FPS where I can pause the action and pick my targets as a function of the gameplay. |
ermmm, as I said before (above, just in this page) I am talking about my thoughs with the info that they have provided so far.
Now we all know that you can insult people very well, congratulations, you are a good troll. But, can you explain yourself on what point I'm wrong? exactly what part of my post do you disagree and why? coz you have just wrote a looong post just to say that I'm stupid but you didn't say anything valuable that could refute my words.
Come on, tell me, Im listening (reading). And I guarantee you that I'm ready to change my mind if you can prove me that I'm wrong. But please dont be a troll this time, ok? |
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007 08:14 Post subject: |
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It looks like fuckin Doom 3 lol ... there better be nuff ppl around (not only quest npc's) cuz i dun care about meeting monsters all the time.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007 08:18 Post subject: |
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| Tutukun wrote: |
great, this is not Fallout. It's Fuking Oblivion with Fuking guns >.< |
It took you 16 pages to figure that out ?
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007 09:04 Post subject: |
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first Starwarcraft, now this Oblivion 4: Fallout????????whats next?
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007 09:07 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | | Freudian wrote: | | Cedge wrote: |
Did you, or did you not see the part about how KOTOR is one of his favorite RPGs?
Pontus, give Jade Empire a try. |
Cedge, you first need to understand that in my opinion, "console -ish" stands for the depth of a game and if it's advanced or not. I'll leave you to figure out which is which...
...Which on the other hand, probably won't work that well so I'll better just tell you.
IMO simple games with no depth are "console -ish".
"Jade" is simple and has no real depth IMO. Therefore I call it console -ish. |
The point he was making is that KOTOR is also console-ish. They both use the same engine don't they. For that reason he's likely to enjoy Jade on some level. |
I tried Jade Empire but unfortunately I don't like it 
Unlike KOTOR the setting does not interest me and I don't like the combat system. With KOTOR I was intrigued by the story, I wanted to play more to find out more. With Jade Empire I'm not involved, I don't care about it. It's difficult to explain but for an RPG I need to be involved with my character. Fallout had that, KOTOR had that, Planescape Torment had that, Jade Empire has not.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007 09:26 Post subject: |
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pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
i warned, they shouldnt use Fallout name to this game!!!!! they are destroying a greatest saga!!!!! Fallout = RPG + turn based + isometric, not a shooter or first action game!!!!!
im very very very sad, years waiting for this peace of shiiittt
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007 10:18 Post subject: |
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| hurley wrote: | Anyone that say Turn based system wasn't important in fallout experience is seriously out of brains. it gaves the game its tactical depth, it gave the game its pace. and yes it gaves A LOT OF FUN. heck i spent countless days on that san francisco ring, honing my kick skills to 1-hit kill the oppenent in the eyes. true fans know that.
suddenly now most of so called fans want to jump on the FPS bandwagon, on the VATS rotten system.. or should I say on the G.O.A.T system, because thats what Bethesda is planning with fallout lovers. have fun guys you missed what fallout truely was, and youre going to taste what oblivion with guns mean |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007 12:30 Post subject: |
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I'll say again for what I said with Oblivion - either don't buy it or do, cos' the dev's are going to get payed one way or the other. True, it turned out Oblivion sucked but hey, most people liked it. Me, I'm ready to go into the whole first person much detailed wastelands, and I honestly don't care if it's turn based, fps, a turn based fps or anything else. It is an RPG. Story and feeling. The gun part is just a unavoidable nuisance.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007 14:01 Post subject: |
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| hurley wrote: | | Anyone that say Turn based system wasn't important in fallout experience is seriously out of brains. |
I was famished so I ate mine. You got a problem with that filthy human?
| Quote: | | it gaves the game its tactical depth, |
Beyond shooting someone in their eyes blinding them, or shooting them in their legs or arms to injure them (all things that can easily be modelled in an FPS should the developers desire it) - there was no tactical depth. It was a case of move and shoot.
| Quote: | | it gave the game its pace. |
It certainly slowed it down alight, at times even painfully slow.
and yes it gaves A LOT OF FUN. heck
It wasn't devoid of merit of course, but the most fun came from the death animations (again something not exclusive to turn based combat - though unlikely to be exactly replicated in a 3D FPS these days because of the stronger attention).
| Quote: | | i spent countless days on that san francisco ring, honing my kick skills to 1-hit kill the oppenent in the eyes. true fans know that. |
Kick? I seem to remember you could only punch. Preferably with the lead plated boxing gloves. Even so it was hellishly boring.
| Quote: | | have fun guys you missed what fallout truely was, and youre going to taste what oblivion with guns mean |
Seems you're the one who has missed the essence of Fallout. Of course COMBAT was a big part of Fallout in the sense of being able to kill people and so on, but the combat style was not a big part of the Fallout experience...
--START COMBAT--
Click
***wait until animation completes***
"ugg"
***wait until enemy attacks***
"unngg...."
Click
***wait until animation completes***
"ugg"
***wait until enemy attacks***
"unngg...."
Click
***wait until animation completes***
"ugg"
***wait until enemy attacks***
"unngg...."
Click
***wait until animation completes***
"ugg"
***wait until enemy attacks***
"unngg...."
Click
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007 16:29 Post subject: |
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Nobody is arguing as such, I think everyone here is old enough to throw around text without getting hurt.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007 17:45 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | | It's you |
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007 17:35 Post subject: |
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I was already accepted the FP view, the dumb-down story and quest, ffs I even gived up of whine about the fucking combat system!
but now I only can 
I really wanted so bad to be wrong about this game...
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| Rinze wrote: | | It's an orc with a warhammer. |
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