The Great Global Warming Swindle
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Anencephalic123




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Apr 2007 13:12    Post subject: The Great Global Warming Swindle
I am not sure if you guys have seen this. It has not been shown in the US. It is a good documentary about the science and history of global warming. It aired in Britain and provides an alternate view to Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth.

Anyway watch both and make up your own mind. I must say after watching this I paced up and down the house and was quite angry Evil or Very Mad

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=2332531355859226455
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Apr 2007 18:23    Post subject:
Quote:
Getting your science from charlatans
This man takes liberties with facts. He has no scientific background

George Monbiot, Guardian, Thursday March 16, 2000

In October 1998, a television producer named Martin Durkin took a proposal to the BBC's science series, Horizon. Silicone breast implants, he claimed, far from harming women, were in fact beneficial, reducing the risk of breast cancer. Horizon commissioned a researcher to find out whether or not his assertion was true.
After a thorough review, the researcher reported that Mr Durkin had ignored a powerful body of evidence contradicting his claims.

Martin Durkin withdrew his proposal. Instead of dropping it, however, he took it to Channel 4 and, astonishingly, sold it to their science series, Equinox. To help him make the programme, Durkin hired Najma Kazi, a highly respected TV researcher and producer who was previously a research biochemist. After
two weeks she walked out. "It's not a joke to walk away from four or five months' work," she told me, "but my research was being ignored. The published research had been construed to give an impression that's not the case. I don't know how that programme got passed. The only consolation for me was that I'm really glad I didn't put my name to it."

But the programme was broadcast, in May last year. Silicone implants, it insisted, appeared to reduce the incidence of breast cancer. Women claiming that their operations had caused severe health problems were dismissed as cranks, malingerers and compensation-chasers. The researchers who believed that there was a problem were accused of practising "junk science".

Mr Durkin has often been accused of taking liberties with the facts. In 1997 he made a series for Channel 4 called Against Nature, which compared environmentalists like me to Nazis, conspiring against the world's poor. No one would suggest that green claims should not be subjected to critical examination, but the people he interviewed were lied to about the contents of the programmes and given no chance to respond to the accusations the series made.

The Independent Television Commission handed down one of the most damning verdicts it has ever reached: the programme makers "distorted by selective
editing" the views of the interviewees and "misled" them about the "content and purpose of the programmes when they agreed to take part". Channel 4 was
forced to make a humiliating prime time apology. After the series was broadcast, I discovered that the assistant producer and several of its interviewees worked for the rightwing libertarian magazine masquerading as Living Marxism, which has just been successfully sued by ITN. All the arguments Against Nature made had been rehearsed in LM.

So what do you do with a director with a record like this, who has brought your channel into disrepute, who has misled both his contributors and his audience? If you are Michael Jackson, the head of Channel 4, you commission him to make more programmes.

On Monday, Channel 4 will broadcast a 90-minute Equinox programme about genetic engineering, made by Martin Durkin and called, appropriately enough,
Modified Truth. Already it appears that the programme has suffered from Mr Durkin's characteristic approach. "I feel completely betrayed and misled", reports Dr Mae-Wan Ho, a geneticist whom Durkin interviewed. "They did not tell me it was going to be an attack on my position."

Neither Martin Durkin nor, extraordinarily, Charles Furneaux, the commissioning editor of the Equinox science series, has a science background. They don't need one, for science on Channel 4 has been reduced to a crude manifesto for corporate libertarianism.

When Michael Jackson arrived at Channel 4, he cancelled a series called Global Raiders, on which a quarter of a million pounds had already been spent. It would have examined the adverse impacts of big business around the world. Since 1989, according to the research group 3WE, Channel 4 has reduced its international factual output by 56%. Holiday programmes have boomed, but "ecological programming now appears to be virtually extinct".

The station, in other words, is censoring not just a few ideas, but entire subject areas. Serious coverage of science, the environment, the developing world and, above all, abuses of corporate power, have been all but stamped out. The Mark Thomas Comedy Product is a glowing exception, but I suspect it is allowed on air only because it makes people laugh.

Perhaps intellectual honesty is too fusty, too boring, for the chic, postmodern Channel 4. But perhaps there is something else at work; perhaps we should question whether senior staff have come to identify themselves with the companies providing their revenues, and are, as a result, seeking to modify the truth. If so, then it is hardly surprising that they have handed so much work to a charlatan.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Durkin_%28television_director%29

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Global Warming Denier: "Scientists are the Bad Guys"

by Steven D
Tue Mar 6th, 2007 at 08:08:14 AM EST
Scientists are the Bad Guys.

This is the new talking point for the Exxon-Mobil lobby, as evidenced by the director of a new "documentary" to be shown on British television entitled "The Great Global Warming Swindle". Here's how that director, Martin Durkin, characterized his film:

Controversial director Martin Durkin said: "You can see the problems with the science of global warming, but people just don't believe you - it's taken 10 years to get this commissioned.

"I think it will go down in history as the first chapter in a new era of the relationship between scientists and society. Legitimate scientists - people with qualifications - are the bad guys.

"It is a big story that is going to cause controversy. "It's very rare that a film changes history, but I think this is a turning point and in five years the idea that the greenhouse effect is the main reason behind global warming will be seen as total bollocks.

Total bollocks? Interesting claim. So who exactly is Martin Durkin, the man who claims he will change history by slaying the evil dragon myth of global warming? Here's what The Independent has to say about him in its report on the film:

Martin Durkin, for his part, achieved notoriety when his previous series on the environment for the channel, called Against Nature , was roundly condemned by the Independent Television Commission for misleading contributors on the purpose of the programmes, and for editing four interviewees in a way that "distorted or mispresented their known views".

Channel 4 was forced to issue a humiliating apology. But it seems to have forgiven Mr Durkin and sees no need to make special checks on the accuracy of the programme. For his part, the film-maker accepts the charge of misleading contributors, but describes the verdict of distortion as "complete tosh."

Complete tosh (I love these British expressions by the way)? This from a man with a known history of distorting science in order to deceive the public. And not just about global warming either. Here's what he sold to Channel 4's science series as a reputable report in 1998 that claimed scientific studies proved silicon breast implants not only were safe, they actually reduced the risk of breast cancer:

cont.

In October 1998, a television producer named Martin Durkin took a proposal to the BBC's science series, Horizon. Silicone breast implants, he claimed, far from harming women, were in fact beneficial, reducing the risk of breast cancer. Horizon commissioned a researcher to find out whether or not his assertion was true.

After a thorough review, the researcher reported that Mr Durkin had ignored a powerful body of evidence contradicting his claims.

Martin Durkin withdrew his proposal. Instead of dropping it, however, he took it to Channel 4 and, astonishingly, sold it to their science series, Equinox. To help him make the programme, Durkin hired Najma Kazi, a highly respected TV researcher and producer who was previously a research biochemist. After two weeks she walked out. "It's not a joke to walk away from four or five months' work," she told me, "but my research was being ignored. The published research had been construed to give an impression that's not the case. I don't know how that programme got passed. The only consolation for me was that I'm really glad I didn't put my name to it."

But the programme was broadcast, in May last year. Silicone implants, it insisted, appeared to reduce the incidence of breast cancer. Women claiming that their operations had caused severe health problems were dismissed as cranks, malingerers and compensation-chasers. The researchers who believed that there was a problem were accused of practising "junk science".

In 1997, Durkin's prior anti-global warming documentary "Against Nature" broadcast by Channel 4 stated environmentalists were the comparable to the Nazis because they were responsible for the deaths of millions of people in the developing world. "Against Nature" was financed by associates of the fringe libertarian LM group, whose stated goals are opposition to "all restrictions on business, science and technology ..." After the broadcast of "Against Nature," Channel 4 was forced to make a humiliating on-air apology after the lies and distortions of Durkin's film were exposed in a ruling issued by Britain's Independent Television Commission upon a complaint filed by the environmental group, Friends of the Earth:

Friends of the Earth has welcomed today's devastating ruling by the Independent Television Commission (ITC) over Channel 4's anti-green series “Against Nature”. Following the ruling, Channel 4 are to be forced to issue on-screen apologies to the Campaigns Director of Friends of the Earth,Tony Juniper, and three other environmentalists. “Against Nature“ was made by independent production company RDF television.

ITC ruled that the programme makers “distorted by selective editing” the views of Tony Juniper and other interviewees; and ” misled” participants over the “content and purpose of the programmes when they agreed to take part.”

A further complaint by Friends of the Earth that the programme was inaccurate in its use of facts and unfairly hostile to the environmental movement is not fully covered by the ITC Programme Code.However, in a letter to FOE the ITC admitted that “we sympathise with some of the views you have expressed about the way the programme dealt with the issues it addressed. In the light of those views, together with our concerns about the breaches of Section 3.8...we shall be discussing with Channel 4 some aspects of their approach to this programme, and to their compliance with our Programme Code.”

Nonetheless, Durkin is back with another anti global warming polemic which apparently is just as poorly sourced as his prior film, yet Channel 4 is airing it anyway. I guess America is not the only country with a so-called "liberally biased media" these days. Here's George Monbiot's takedown of Durkin's "thesis" (from the January 30th issue of The Guardian):

... A company called WAG TV is currently completing a 90-minute documentary for Channel 4 called “The Great Global Warming Swindle”. Manmade climate change, the channel tells us, is “a lie … the biggest scam of modern times. The truth is that Global Warming is a multi-billion dollar worldwide industry: created by fanatically anti-industrial environmentalists; supported by scientists peddling scare stories to chase funding; and propped up by complicit politicians and the media. ... The fact is that CO2 has no proven link to global temperatures … solar activity is far more likely to be the culprit.”(10)

... [I]t’s the same old conspiracy theory that we’ve been hearing from the denial industry for the past ten years, and it carries as much scientific weight as the contention that the Twin Towers were brought down by missiles. The programme’s thesis revolves around the deniers’ favourite canard: that the “hockey-stick graph” showing rising global temperatures is based on a statistical mistake made in a paper by the scientists Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes(11). What it will not be showing is that their results have now been repeated several times by other scientists using different statistical methods(12); that the paper claiming to have exposed the mistake has been comprehensively debunked(13) and that the lines of evidence used by Mann, Bradley and Hughes are just a few among hundreds demonstrating that 20th century temperatures were anomalous.

Further rebuttals of the "science" presented in Durkin's little propaganda film can be viewed here and here. Suffice it to say, the science supporting Durkin's claims is very thin indeed. Unfortunately, considering Durkin and WAG TV's prior working relationships with the Discovery Channel and PBS, we can no doubt expect to see this piece of trash coming to an American cable channel near you in the not too distant future. Probably with the advertising support of Exxon and its friends in Big Oil.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/3/6/8814/25388

even more on this piece of trash "documentary":
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2326210.ece
http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/press_releases/19980402000124.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2026124,00.html

as much as you might not like Gore, at least he presented facts supported by thousands of scientists. this fucking retard is trying to cash on on idiotic global warming deniers with crap science.


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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Apr 2007 19:39    Post subject:
it was damn hot today and it ain't even may yet [and i don't live in africa Razz ]

so global warming? heck ya

nouseforaname can u change that nasty sig pliz? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Apr 2007 20:06    Post subject:
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nouseforaname can u change that nasty sig pliz? Rolling Eyes


what, you don't like manboobs? Razz

would you prefer this?



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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Apr 2007 22:18    Post subject:
skip the boobs part completely Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Apr 2007 00:21    Post subject:


I am sure that both sides of the argument have exaggerations on them. The classic one in An Inconvenient Truth is where it has the computer models showing the sea rising by six metres. The worst case scenario in the UN report is around 60 centimetres (2 feet).

The scientist in the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle appear to be quite genuine in their views and they deny outright receiving funds from the oil lobby. They do joke that their bankers wish that they did.

My point is that one should get both sides of the argument otherwise one's opinion can only be formed from an extreme point of view. This whole hysteria about global warming reminds me of the Y2k bug in the IT industry where they predicted a worldwide catastrophe and received large amounts of funding in return.

Interestingly in Britain the House of Lords produced a report that showed that Global Warming had little scientific fact supporting it and if it were true would not be disastrous. Tony Blair did not like those findings so he commissioned a colleague to produce the Stern Report.

Whether or not you believe in global warming this economist makes a good point that the cost benefit analysis of global warming means that it is not a priority.



If you want more information on the other side of the argument you can try this site.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/

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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Apr 2007 04:32    Post subject:
i really dont see what the whole problem is... the earth will eventually sort itself out in the long run, so its all good, and if any of us as a species survive, perhaps we wont be so stupid next time round, but all this bitching will not change anything, as a species we are, atleast for the foreseeable future, incapable of changing our ways no matter how much we are made aware of the issue and regardless of how much we are actually contributing to the issue.


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Apr 2007 04:47    Post subject:
Anencephalic123 wrote:
If you want more information on the other side of the argument you can try this site.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/




http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Friends_of_Science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_Science#Criticism
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/denialmachine/


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Apr 2007 07:16    Post subject:
Well what is a fact is that at least here in Germany new "heat" records have been set sort a every day since March...normal, maybe but not really. We are in frigging May and its 30-32 dgr C outside...now that's not normal I tell you.


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Apr 2007 15:40    Post subject:
Remember the vikings had farms in Greenland during the medieval warming period. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Apr 2007 19:56    Post subject:
^^



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PostPosted: Sun, 29th Apr 2007 11:59    Post subject:
I love the entries of your poll, either skeptic or a zealot?

btw Martin Durkin -> Science Media Centre & LM group = propagandists

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Against_Nature
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Science_Media_Centre
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=LM_group
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PostPosted: Sun, 29th Apr 2007 13:07    Post subject:
ELIZ wrote:
it was damn hot today and it ain't even may yet [and i don't live in africa Razz ]

so global warming? heck ya

nouseforaname can u change that nasty sig pliz? Rolling Eyes
Its been like that in the 90s too. Of course something is happening. But I think the main reason for this global change is because of the 2rentz. At least whats most logic.
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