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SycoShaman
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| kenny64 wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: |
@kenny
when you get a lil older, your perspective will change. As you said, your 15.
The things your parents tell you and what they feed you in school isnt always true
And if you dont ever plan on doing drugs, dont drink...alcohol is a drug |
AM said i was 15 for some reason  Im infact 20 |
I could have swore you listed your age as 15 in the age thread.
I could be wrong tho, i dunono |
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 16:28 Post subject: |
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Just out of interest .. your own body makes the chemicals that create the "high" .. "low" .. all substances do is trigger them .. danger, excitement ect .. can cause you to enter into the same states ..
I hear you syco .. thing is .. the question of what we are here for .. you obviously don’t feel we are here only to feel good .. what are you here for then ?
Not that I am totally hedonistic .. but I feel its an interesting question to ponder .. what other purpose do we live apart from personal gratification ?
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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Spun[k]
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 16:48 Post subject: |
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 16:53 Post subject: |
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hehe 42 
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 16:55 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | Just out of interest .. your own body makes the chemicals that create the "high" .. "low" .. all substances do is trigger them .. danger, excitement ect .. can cause you to enter into the same states ..
I hear you syco .. thing is .. the question of what we are here for .. you obviously don’t feel we are here only to feel good .. what are you here for then ?
Not that I am totally hedonistic .. but I feel its an interesting question to ponder .. what other purpose do we live apart from personal gratification ? |
I dont know what my purpose is in life. I dont think anyone really does.
Stacking up the rest of my life against a week of heaven...well, there's no debate in my mind.
Id rather have moments of extacy as oppose to one big trip then die.
And yeah, of course life is about self gratification. Everyone and anyone will always act in their best interest |
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 16:58 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | And yeah, of course life is about self gratification. Everyone and anyone will always act in their best interest |
I don't believe that. 
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 16:59 Post subject: |
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I see Spun[k] . you don’t think about things .. you look up what other people have found successfully nullifies the effort of doing so .. fascinating insight into your problem solving abilities ..
Personally I see big difficult questions like food .. I can chew on them for ages & ages ..
It surprises me that someone who looks for short cuts & easy outs .. wouldn’t go for the wonder drug .. seems like it would be just what the doctor ordered for you .. you could get all the satisfaction you could ever wanted & be done with life .. unless of course you like struggling & suffering of course ..
Seems to me that in order to want to live out your days .. you would have a reason for doing so other than just because you think you should ..
I don’t believe that either .. inj .. some of us are more than just beasts liking our own behinds .
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 17:00 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | And yeah, of course life is about self gratification. Everyone and anyone will always act in their best interest |
I don't believe that. |
Well, thats what ive found to be true.
Dont get me wrong, people do help eacth other and should help each other.
But when push comes to shove, people will act in whatever way benefits them the most. |
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ChinUp
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Then how do explain selflessness .. syco ? Or is the idea of a person jumping on a grenade to save other people an illusion .. ? Are they really just saying fuck this I’m out of here ..
Seems to me people wouldn’t build families if they were only out for themselves ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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WaldoJ
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ChinUp, I wouldn't take the drug because it offered an easy exit; I would take the drug because it's there to be taken. I would take cyanide pills but I don't like the side effects. I would drink more gasoline, but once is enough. Y'know? If the chance of death was 100% I wouldn't have take the drug. But when there’s a chance, even a slim chance of survival, I'd take it. No questions asked. I’ve done various things just so I could’ve experienced them. It may’ve been wrong to do them. It may’ve been insane. But, hey, you only live once so why not go for it. 
Syco, I haven’t been personally pushed or shoved so I don’t know how I’ll react then. But, I’ve done things that benefited others more than me: school wise, work wise and life wise. I’ve always given my self the bottom end of the stick and let others bask in the sunshine up top. I just like to see happy people. I love it when people smile and enjoy life. It makes me feel great inside. 
I dunno. I’m still just 21 and I guess I’ve much to learn and experience. I know that there are some selfish people out there, but I can’t believe that everyone, one way or another, is selfcentered. It’s lunacy to think like that. Maybe I’m just living in my own little world and only step outside when it’s sunny? 
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Spun[k]
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ChinUp
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I want to know what you think we are here for .. I can do a wiki search myself .. you see .. unless I ask how will I even have a chance of finding out what you’re like .. don’t blame me for making assumptions based on your actions . .what else do I have to go on ..
inj .. it sounds like you believe in snake medicine .. the Nietzschean idea that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger .. In a way I too feel this way .. but to me its a case of .. if I have the courage to take the leap of faith, I can leave behind my base qualities .. purify myself if you like .. I believe that if I am polluted with an earthly ailment .. I have to be able to rise out of earthly concerns in order to burn off the ailment .. if that makes any sense .. Indians would let snakes, scorpions bite them, to force them to face there immortal souls .. make them find a part of themselves otherwise illusive .. many died .. but some gained much understanding via there journey through the mortal coils of poison ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 18:06 Post subject: Re: Wonder drug .. |
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| ChinUp wrote: | Lets say a drug was found that gave you one week of total ecstasy, total mental exaltation answers to all your yearnings .. sexual gratification, confidence ect .. .. but it killed 80% of people who used it ..
Would you try it ? |
No.
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deelix
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 18:18 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | The people who voted yes must either be: 'fucking around', suicidale or have a very boring life |
Why do you say that?
Chin, I dunno. I would purposely inject poisonous venom into my blood stream only if there was a doctor present. To do some things you need supervision, you know? Hell, if an alien ship landed and it was taking volunteers to be painfully probed and such but with a complete guarantee of mental/physical health and a few scratches I’d be the first one with my hand up. Something’s you just can’t pass on. Just like this drug thing. If a merchant offered it to me and said it’s the last of its kind (and actually meant it) I’d take it without hesitation. You can’t go on living a complete life without taking some chances. If you want to be completely normal and boring then it’s fine by me, but I don’t believe that we’re all meant to walk the same line as everyone else. I like walking in zigzags. You get to see more of the world that way!
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 18:45 Post subject: |
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i cant think of if you are willing to risk your life like that you cant have much to live for
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 18:57 Post subject: |
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Ether that or he doesn’t live in fear .. for example .. based on your viewpoint .. I would guess you will never skydive, mountain climb ect .. some of us aren’t afraid to take chances .. know that some things in life can only be experienced if you can take chances ..
The legend of Shangri-La says that you cant visit the palace of wisdom unless you can walk through the sea of fire ..
Some live life .. others just survive ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 19:19 Post subject: |
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kenny64,
What do you actually have to live for? There's no immortality pill that will make you live forever. Your children will die and rot. Your spouse will die and rot. You will eventually die and rot. Anyway you look at it, you're going to die and rot. You may not want to die. Hell, no one wants to die. And no one has things to live for. Everything you have now, and will have in the future will not last forever just like you. They're just meaningless temporary possessions that provide you joy throughout the day. As easily you can live without your computer, drug addictions, alcoholism you can easily live without your loved ones. And just as easy as that you can let them go. It’s painful to say, but love has its limits and it’s temporary.
I don’t care if I die today or tomorrow. I’ve lived a happy life and I am ready to die. Of course it can always get better, next day can be a gorgeous day and I’ll miss that, flowers may be in bloom, the sky might be crystal blue, the sun might be shining a wonderful tune, but if I were to die in my sleep or in some freak accident I won’t be disappointed with the life I’ve lived. I’ve taken chances, risks and done things I wouldn’t normally do. I’m happy with myself. Of course if I had a family to support I would slow down. After all your family becomes your main priority even if it’s temporary. They depend on you like flowers depend on water and sunlight for survival. I’d still take the drug then, but I would have to be financially secure to due so. As I am now, at 21, I’d take this drug without hesitation. The outcome, what ever it may be, I’ll be happy with it. I’ll be happier if I didn’t die
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deelix
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 20:02 Post subject: |
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Dude, 80% chance to die... You can't really like your life if you do that. And a fucking week, I think you would suicide after some days on that shit.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 20:07 Post subject: |
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Injurious.
It's sad that you think the only influence you have on others is financial, as if thats all you have to worry about when considering death. Loved ones? I doubt you even know the meaning of that from your post. The influences you have on your children will be past onto theirs and so on, it doesn't just end with their death.
Talk about this again when you're not full of this young pretentious bullshit, when/if you have a family and I can almost guarantee you won't feel the same way. If you do then I pity you.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 20:41 Post subject: |
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How is it sad? If I were to die, I wouldn't want my family to have to sell things in order to get by. I wouldn't want my children to starve or have my wife to work long hours just to pay for books/rent/education/food. Money is important.
I do hope that the only influence I have on others if merely financial. You know what grief is? You honestly want others, especially your loved ones, to experience its purest form? I don’t. I may not share you ideology on life and love, so don’t call me pretentious.
If you don’t agree with my beliefs on life and love, that’s fine with me, just don’t ridicule them because they don’t suit you. You’re not living my life. You’ll never live my life. So, all in all you shouldn’t fucking comment on I choose to live it. Life fucking ends. People die! You live your life thinking you’re going to live forever. But you’re going to die and with your death everything will end. Everyone is insignificant. We’re all just waiting to die. Sooner or later, later than sooner, sooner than later we'll all rot!
Emotional pains for your loved ones are what YOU wish upon them. Sorrow. Grief. Misery. Yeah, I want people to cry over me just because I died. We’re all meant to die. It’s natural. People should make peace with it before it happens and not depend on everyone for everything. Money’s important and not everyone has access to it. If I die, I want my family to have the things they need until they’re ready to start over. Is that sad? If it is according to you, then you’re evil. Pure evil.
I don’t want them to be in misery. I would never wish grief upon anyone. It’s morbid!
Kids learn new values on a daily basis. School. Friends. Family. Books. Tv. They learn more in school and from friends than at home. At home, as I’ve noticed on several occasions, parents don’t really have the time to teach their children any family values. They, children, see their parents as they see the television. They’ll pick up certain traits, but sooner or later they’re going to switch the channel and look for something more entertaining. Then they grow up and establish their own values.
deelix...  I love life! I would do anything to live forever, but that's impossible. I've made peace with death. I'm happy with the way my life turned out. If I were to die today, from this drug, I wouldn't regret my decision of taking it.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 22:37 Post subject: |
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excellent post .. reminds me of a Bertrand Russell quote . .
" No one can achieve the greatness of witch they are capable, until they realize there own littleness in the world as it is .. "
Seems to me those of us who really make an effort to squeeze life for all its worth are the ones who also think about the reality of death .. the more we take death seriously .. the more emboldened we are to make the most of each moment we live ..
Perhaps that’s why some people do extreme things .. to remind them of how fragile life is & how vital it is they make the most of it while they can ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006 23:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Sep 2006 01:12 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | | Emotional pains for your loved ones are what YOU wish upon them. Sorrow. Grief. Misery. Yeah, I want people to cry over me just because I died. We’re all meant to die. It’s natural. People should make peace with it before it happens and not depend on everyone for everything. Money’s important and not everyone has access to it. If I die, I want my family to have the things they need until they’re ready to start over. Is that sad? If it is according to you, then you’re evil. Pure evil. |
Grief/sorrow/misery are natural reactions to an event. Avoiding relationships to avoid hurting people is just silly. As you said, death is natural, as is greaving. What isn't natural is believing that you are inflicting this upon other people.
Money, fair enough.
Also (chinup), there's more to life than squeezing it for what it's worth; self control, a quiet life is a virtue, there are other people around you. Take happiness from your passions, not your substances.
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ChinUp
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lol's my my .. like I said the body itself produces the sensations .. Ingesting chemicals is just an alternative way of accessing said experiences .. thus one person may do a base jump .. gaining the euphoria someone who takes a strong stimulant ..
Sex is the foremost practice people engage in to reach altered states of awareness .. & addiction to physical activities & passions is just as real as addiction to chemical substances .. yet perhaps not as bad for your kidneys ..
I think the bottom line here is living or surviving .. discerning what you are doing is a tough call it takes a great deal of honesty to admit your just surviving ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Sep 2006 16:06 Post subject: |
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I answered yes, I don't know why. I would not take it actually...
Maybe if the chance was 50/50. But I'd have to be sure the feeling is something spectacular - and I mean at least a million times better than MDMA. And in that I can never be sure... before I haven't tried it.
So, nope.
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