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| mark322 wrote: | You're logic is unacceptable. What do you want us to do? Shoot our own nuts so we would loose our advantage on our enemies and then we would have a more fair fight?
Israel IS protecting itself, lets not forget who started all this bullcrap by attacking Israel within its borders and now is a smartass by letting the suffering of the lebanese people continue by not releasing the soldiers nor admitting in his mistake.
Sweden proved itself in the past few years as a country that seeks for provocations against Israel, and there are numerous examples proving my claim. Your government and media show you what to think about Israel and you see it as a free thinking. |
 I don't think your media isn't biased either.
For fucks sake. Shut the fuck up, all of you. It's a horrible crisis. What both countries/nations are doing is unacceptable. Doesn't matter who started it. If they aren't capable of diplomatically settling their differences... then fuck for are we worried about? It’s all murder that's happening. An eye for an eye... and it's not civilized. It’s fucking barbaric. And it's all a ploy, by Israel and US to get Iran involved.
BS me all you want. You'll see. US are allowing Israel all this bull shit. It's fucking disgusting! Israel is fucking it up. All of it. It's wrong. Same with Palestine and Hezbollah... but you don't give a fuck about them do you? There are children dying there are innocent civilians dying on both sides... yet you only give fuck about one side?
I hope you rot while you wait for the worms to come.
It’s fucking sick. How can you support one side and not the other? Life is life… first and foremost, religion and race should be judged second. Not first. Never first. FUCKING SICK!
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here. |
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| fissesvin wrote: | You guys are craZY, the more muslims they kill the better.
In my country, immigrants (that means mostly ppl from Turkey, iran, iraq and other arab countries, wich also equal like 95% muslims) They are criminals, rapeing, killing stealing and other shit, you hear it every damn day in the news, and thats not bullshit. Yes there is good muslims who make pizza,and thats about it. They dont have any jobs, they suck the countrys wealthfare out for those who really need em. And on top of that the west send millions and millions of dollars in development aid to these very same arab countries. And still they burn our flags and blow us up in our own home. |
Wow ... aren't you quite the fucking asshole 
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 18:29 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | fissesvin wrote: | You guys are craZY, the more muslims they kill the better.
In my country, immigrants (that means mostly ppl from Turkey, iran, iraq and other arab countries, wich also equal like 95% muslims) They are criminals, rapeing, killing stealing and other shit, you hear it every damn day in the news, and thats not bullshit. Yes there is good muslims who make pizza,and thats about it. They dont have any jobs, they suck the countrys wealthfare out for those who really need em. And on top of that the west send millions and millions of dollars in development aid to these very same arab countries. And still they burn our flags and blow us up in our own home. |
Wow ... aren't you quite the fucking asshole |
There's a lot of truth in this guy's words, even if it sounds too racist. You can ignore it all you want, but the islam IS a treat to Europe that must be dealt with. Ignoring the situation claiming that seeing these people as treat or problem would be just racist will only give you another few years of "peace", but not a real solution.
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How can Islam be a threat to europe? I do not understand how that could be possible. Its not like ALL muslims are terrorists or doing bad shit. As with everything there is a small number doing something very wrong and everyone of the same kind gets blamed for it.
You still claim that I am only anti-israel. have I ever been defending the actions of Hizbollah or anyone killing other people? NO I HAVE NOT. I think that all killing is wrong, but what must be remembered is that Israel seem to be able to ignore every warning and just go on.
The government in palestina was chosen in a democratic election, but still Israel refused to accept that. Same did a lot of other countries. Don't you realize that you had the very chance to get things to calm down by talking with them? Instead of despite them you could've started a dialog and started negociating for a peace and bring it forward.
I also fail to see how capturing the leaders would solve anything. Or how bombing civilians will solve anything. Bombing any civilian target will never help. It will only make damn sure you get more people against you and supporting terrorist factions cause. Also bombing the shit out of the civilians because of that one faction captured some soldiers won't get them released. You have to start a dialog and negociate. Violence is never a solution. That of course applies for all factions involved, not only israel.
Can you please explain something to me. If israel is building a big wall outside the acknowledged borders, is the purpose NOT to widen the landmass then? Thats the only reason I can see to even do it.
As for terrorist.. Whenever its a homemade bomb its called terrorist action but if it has been fabricated in a factory its called warfare...
You act as if Israel would only be defending themselves against a 'terrorist threat' and never do something evil. Both sides do evil, just that Israel has the capability to do it a lot worse.
We think what we do about Israel for a reason. Its not like we decided one day to just bitch about Israel all the time. Your actions made our opinion. Simple as that. If you haven't been rolling in tanks into Gaza, crushing innocent peoples homes with bulldozers, bombed civilians, refused to accept a government chosen by the people we would have a much better picture of you. So don't blame us for being anti-israel without a good reason. You made yourself look as bad on your own. We don't need any propaganda to think as we do. We build our own opinion, we say what we think is wrong. I just wished our government would make sure EU did what it could do stop both sides from killing the other.
As for my logic not holding up. Well how about your own logic?
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 19:01 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | How can Islam be a threat to europe? I do not understand how that could be possible. Its not like ALL muslims are terrorists or doing bad shit. As with everything there is a small number doing something very wrong and everyone of the same kind gets blamed for it.
You still claim that I am only anti-israel. have I ever been defending the actions of Hizbollah or anyone killing other people? NO I HAVE NOT. I think that all killing is wrong, but what must be remembered is that Israel seem to be able to ignore every warning and just go on.
The government in palestina was chosen in a democratic election, but still Israel refused to accept that. Same did a lot of other countries. Don't you realize that you had the very chance to get things to calm down by talking with them? Instead of despite them you could've started a dialog and started negociating for a peace and bring it forward.
I also fail to see how capturing the leaders would solve anything. Or how bombing civilians will solve anything. Bombing any civilian target will never help. It will only make damn sure you get more people against you and supporting terrorist factions cause. Also bombing the shit out of the civilians because of that one faction captured some soldiers won't get them released. You have to start a dialog and negociate. Violence is never a solution. That of course applies for all factions involved, not only israel.
Can you please explain something to me. If israel is building a big wall outside the acknowledged borders, is the purpose NOT to widen the landmass then? Thats the only reason I can see to even do it.
As for terrorist.. Whenever its a homemade bomb its called terrorist action but if it has been fabricated in a factory its called warfare...
You act as if Israel would only be defending themselves against a 'terrorist threat' and never do something evil. Both sides do evil, just that Israel has the capability to do it a lot worse.
We think what we do about Israel for a reason. Its not like we decided one day to just bitch about Israel all the time. Your actions made our opinion. Simple as that. If you haven't been rolling in tanks into Gaza, crushing innocent peoples homes with bulldozers, bombed civilians, refused to accept a government chosen by the people we would have a much better picture of you. So don't blame us for being anti-israel without a good reason. You made yourself look as bad on your own. We don't need any propaganda to think as we do. We build our own opinion, we say what we think is wrong. I just wished our government would make sure EU did what it could do stop both sides from killing the other.
As for my logic not holding up. Well how about your own logic? |
There's such a term - Self defending democracy. A terrorist group can't hide its crimes behind the democracy. Hamas is a terrorist organization And they're crimes towards the israeli civilians won't be forgiven just because the palestinians were stupid enough to vote for them.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 19:22 Post subject: |
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there is nothing wrong with defense. But obviously Israel does not defend itself.
Its the same matter with the US in Iraq, THAT IS NOT DEFENSE ...
Any country behaving like Israel would be instantly invaded by NATO/ US /whatever International Force... just because it is unacceptable ...
And the thing about only destroying infrastructure ... the civilans suffer most from this .. true, there a not many causalities because of that in the attack ... on a second thought food, water and medicine may not reach those in need in tme.
And for saying that Islam (fyi,a religion is sth. like a opinion, it cant be a direct threat) is a threat for europe is absolutely ridiculus. Leave that decision to the european governments. I dont feel a threat in islamistic Terror ...
EDIT: Sorry for getting so rude ... i just cant stand watching this self-rightousness the israeli government believes in - so do not take that as something personal.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 19:35 Post subject: |
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There's one very important thing all of you "anti-israel" guys are wrong about.
We didn't wage war on anybody.
We were the ones who have been attacked in both battlegrounds.
First in gaza- Endless kassam launches against Israel, and finally our soldiers kidnapped.
Second In Lebanon - Our soldiers have been kidnapped the second time for 6 years while Katyushas are being fired on our cities, after in the first time several years ago when our soldiers were kidnapped and murdered under the UN nose, we shut up.
At the first time we shut up, in the second they saw our wrath.
You might debate about our actions in Gaza, but on our action sin lebanon there's no room for debating, ofcourse harming civilians should be avoided, but it's our right to strike back and defend our country from these endless terror attacks. If we hit civilians it's is a mistake, but it's from terror nature to base inside residental areas. Usually we warn the civilians to leave the areas we bomb, and we do try to avoid the killing of civilians, but no war is perfect, and we are doing our 100% not to hit civilians.
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I think I'll stick with the actual news reports instead of reading X_Dror-propaganda, although it can be more entertaining than a soap opera tv-show 
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 19:48 Post subject: |
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| Leishar wrote: | And damn the EU for not doing a thing... We're missing some balls to react against Israel. I'm so fed up with all this. We are the US lapdance bitch. France, UK, Germany... all they do is talk talk talk! It's always like this! Why can't we sanction Israel for not respecting international laws?
Also, I wonder if US citizens would change their view on this subject if Israel accidently kills a few americans. |
From what I see on the various news channels, the american ppl dont support israel 100%. The general concensus (sp?) is that the israeli's are using excessive force and are targeting civilian infrastructure. Even larry king said something to that effect last nite on Larry King Live to Shimon Perez (I think thats the guys name, the deputy prime minister of israel and former prime minister). |
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 19:49 Post subject: |
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@Parralax:
I guess i would do the same.
Much more easier to blame someone you hate, than blaming your hero for his actions.
Though sometimes i think it's better to open your eyes, and see the whole thing from above. It's gives a whole new way of thinking.
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| X_Dror wrote: | Bitch all you want. It wont change a thing.
When i read your posts i think to myself - "God these people have been into such a harsh propoganda".
But you are not the first that i see from sweden (kosmiq) that thinks that way. And your goverment seems to be aswell a very pro-islamic/arab goverment.Almost every swedish dude i've seen so far is very pro-arab, so i don't blame you... something is just fucked up with your goverment. |
Dude, just because someone isnt a diehard supporter of illegal israeli actions doesnt make them pro muslim.
There is a middle ground and I think you see things in black and white.
Me for example. Im totally against certain policies and tactics employed by israel. But it doesnt mean that Im in favour of the muslim alternative.
Personally, I think the whole region is fucked. Arab, jew, christian...whatever, it doesnt matter. You ppl seem keen on killing one another of the stupidest of reasons. The whole eye for an eye logic is causing alot of shit for alot of ppl, israeli and arab alike. |
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 19:58 Post subject: |
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A stupid reason for you is the bombing of cities and kidnapping soldiers out of an unprovoked actions?
WE FUCKING LEFT THE LEBANESE 6 YEARS AGO! WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?!
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 20:11 Post subject: |
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| X_Dror wrote: | A stupid reason for you is the bombing of cities and kidnapping soldiers out of an unprovoked actions?
WE FUCKING LEFT THE LEBANESE 6 YEARS AGO! WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?! |
Naw man, thats not what Im saying. Israel has the right to defend itself against hezbollah. No one argues that. Its the way in which its being done that is the problem.
i know the israeli gov (well, atleast the deputy prime minister) says that no civilians are dying and civilian infrastructure isnt being targeted but come on dude, the video footage and news reports speak for themselves.
Yeah, its tricky fighting a terrorist group cuz they do hide amoung civilians....but that doesnt give israel the right to bomb civilian areas and infrastructure and cripple the lebonese government.
The Lebonese didnt attack israel...a terrorist group commited an act of war on israel.
The collective punishment of the lebonese ppl is immoral and illegal man
Look at it this way. What if an israeli terrorist organization went into iran and blew up an apartment building or something. Would iran have the right to attack the whole state of israel? no, they wouldnt. They would have the right to go after the terrorists, but they wouldnt be allowed to bomb the shit outta israel.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 20:16 Post subject: |
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| X_Dror wrote: | A stupid reason for you is the bombing of cities and kidnapping soldiers out of an unprovoked actions?
WE FUCKING LEFT THE LEBANESE 6 YEARS AGO! WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?! |
Why is the correct response something that is just going to cause MORE terror attacks in Israel?
Is it really hard to figure out you've probably created a few thousand more terrorists by this bombing campaign?
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 20:42 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | X_Dror wrote: | A stupid reason for you is the bombing of cities and kidnapping soldiers out of an unprovoked actions?
WE FUCKING LEFT THE LEBANESE 6 YEARS AGO! WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?! |
Naw man, thats not what Im saying. Israel has the right to defend itself against hezbollah. No one argues that. Its the way in which its being done that is the problem.
i know the israeli gov (well, atleast the deputy prime minister) says that no civilians are dying and civilian infrastructure isnt being targeted but come on dude, the video footage and news reports speak for themselves.
Yeah, its tricky fighting a terrorist group cuz they do hide amoung civilians....but that doesnt give israel the right to bomb civilian areas and infrastructure and cripple the lebonese government.
The Lebonese didnt attack israel...a terrorist group commited an act of war on israel.
The collective punishment of the lebonese ppl is immoral and illegal man
Look at it this way. What if an israeli terrorist organization went into iran and blew up an apartment building or something. Would iran have the right to attack the whole state of israel? no, they wouldnt. They would have the right to go after the terrorists, but they wouldnt be allowed to bomb the shit outta israel. |
If it's a small 1 time terrorists group then no, they don't have the right to attack us.
But if it was a large scale terrorists such as Hezbollah, that is powered by other goverments who has interest in harming Israel, and this specific terrorist group can control the goverment, and be a real threat to whole cities, then yes, it will be Iran's full right for a full scale attack.
We attacked infrastructured who serve or might serve hezbollah, such as airports for transfering weapons, highways and bridges. Nonetheless, i agree that we shoudln't hit their infrastructures too much so the Lebanese goverment will still have the power to backoff hezbollah and still have the support of their own people. If we take down the goverment we only worsen the situation, but we also need to make their goverment to understand that if hezbollah will continue to attack us without any lebanese interference(sp?), Lebanon will suffer the most.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 21:03 Post subject: |
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| X_Dror wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | X_Dror wrote: | A stupid reason for you is the bombing of cities and kidnapping soldiers out of an unprovoked actions?
WE FUCKING LEFT THE LEBANESE 6 YEARS AGO! WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?! |
Naw man, thats not what Im saying. Israel has the right to defend itself against hezbollah. No one argues that. Its the way in which its being done that is the problem.
i know the israeli gov (well, atleast the deputy prime minister) says that no civilians are dying and civilian infrastructure isnt being targeted but come on dude, the video footage and news reports speak for themselves.
Yeah, its tricky fighting a terrorist group cuz they do hide amoung civilians....but that doesnt give israel the right to bomb civilian areas and infrastructure and cripple the lebonese government.
The Lebonese didnt attack israel...a terrorist group commited an act of war on israel.
The collective punishment of the lebonese ppl is immoral and illegal man
Look at it this way. What if an israeli terrorist organization went into iran and blew up an apartment building or something. Would iran have the right to attack the whole state of israel? no, they wouldnt. They would have the right to go after the terrorists, but they wouldnt be allowed to bomb the shit outta israel. |
If it's a small 1 time terrorists group then no, they don't have the right to attack us.
But if it was a large scale terrorists such as Hezbollah, that is powered by other goverments who has interest in harming Israel, and this specific terrorist group can control the goverment, and be a real threat to whole cities, then yes, it will be Iran's full right for a full scale attack.
We attacked infrastructured who serve or might serve hezbollah, such as airports for transfering weapons, highways and bridges. Nonetheless, i agree that we shoudln't hit their infrastructures too much so the Lebanese goverment will still have the power to backoff hezbollah and still have the support of their own people. If we take down the goverment we only worsen the situation, but we also need to make their goverment to understand that if hezbollah will continue to attack us without any lebanese interference(sp?), Lebanon will suffer the most. |
Uh bud, have you not seen the news? Ive seen a ton of reports on CNN, CBC, BBC etc on destroyed residental area's that had no hezbollah affilation.
'Weapon Cache's' that had no weapons in them .
Maybe they dont show those things on israeli tv....I get all sides of the picture man.
remember, arab and israeli tv are going to be biased in some fashion. |
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 23:25 Post subject: |
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the problem of lebanon is that they have cancer
Hezbollah is there cancer.
israel cant wipe out Hezbollah just by blowing things if they wanna kill this cancer they should sit down with lebanon goverment and present them the corrent situation.
lebanon itself should fight against the terror that grow inside her and what they do supporting this terror organiztion and its just like they giving up and give the cancer destroy them
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 23:49 Post subject: |
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| Vladi wrote: | | lebanon itself should fight against the terror that grow inside her and what they do supporting this terror organiztion and its just like they giving up and give the cancer destroy them |
well .... thanks to blowing up all the infrastructure and sending them back 20 years, Israel guaranteed that they will never be able to. Lebanon was just coming out of being a shithole, found a lucrative tourist business ... but not it's going to be another shithole that breeds terrorism. Good job!
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | X_Dror wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: |
Naw man, thats not what Im saying. Israel has the right to defend itself against hezbollah. No one argues that. Its the way in which its being done that is the problem.
i know the israeli gov (well, atleast the deputy prime minister) says that no civilians are dying and civilian infrastructure isnt being targeted but come on dude, the video footage and news reports speak for themselves.
Yeah, its tricky fighting a terrorist group cuz they do hide amoung civilians....but that doesnt give israel the right to bomb civilian areas and infrastructure and cripple the lebonese government.
The Lebonese didnt attack israel...a terrorist group commited an act of war on israel.
The collective punishment of the lebonese ppl is immoral and illegal man
Look at it this way. What if an israeli terrorist organization went into iran and blew up an apartment building or something. Would iran have the right to attack the whole state of israel? no, they wouldnt. They would have the right to go after the terrorists, but they wouldnt be allowed to bomb the shit outta israel. |
If it's a small 1 time terrorists group then no, they don't have the right to attack us.
But if it was a large scale terrorists such as Hezbollah, that is powered by other goverments who has interest in harming Israel, and this specific terrorist group can control the goverment, and be a real threat to whole cities, then yes, it will be Iran's full right for a full scale attack.
We attacked infrastructured who serve or might serve hezbollah, such as airports for transfering weapons, highways and bridges. Nonetheless, i agree that we shoudln't hit their infrastructures too much so the Lebanese goverment will still have the power to backoff hezbollah and still have the support of their own people. If we take down the goverment we only worsen the situation, but we also need to make their goverment to understand that if hezbollah will continue to attack us without any lebanese interference(sp?), Lebanon will suffer the most. |
Uh bud, have you not seen the news? Ive seen a ton of reports on CNN, CBC, BBC etc on destroyed residental area's that had no hezbollah affilation.
'Weapon Cache's' that had no weapons in them .
Maybe they dont show those things on israeli tv....I get all sides of the picture man.
remember, arab and israeli tv are going to be biased in some fashion. |
You think the only news i watch are Israeli?
We also have Cnn,Skynews,BBC News, Fox news and etc.. We can even get Aljazeera here if we want to
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006 01:33 Post subject: |
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Israel Kick A**!!!
The terrorists deserve it.. Lebanon is a government run terrorist group. They kill/kidnap/rape innocent people for a living-and enjoy it. Lebanon can burn in hell for all I care. The only normal state in the middle east is Israel. Iran/Iraq/Syria/ and north Korea are run by madmen. Yes, innocent civillians will die in lebanon -- but they already know and accept their country is ruled by terrorists. So, they must accept their fate.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006 01:57 Post subject: |
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| mark322 wrote: | | kumkss wrote: | you're very lucky that the israelians neighbors are not as clever and prosperous as the german folk...  |
Germany is a dying nation . |
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Jul 2006 02:03 Post subject: |
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oh man this is total BS...
evry year they bitch about it being overcrowded... than they get boring of that story so they change the story to ... people arnt fucking enough and there are not enough childeren...
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| todd72173 wrote: | Israel Kick A**!!!
The terrorists deserve it.. Lebanon is a government run terrorist group. They kill/kidnap/rape innocent people for a living-and enjoy it. Lebanon can burn in hell for all I care. The only normal state in the middle east is Israel. Iran/Iraq/Syria/ and north Korea are run by madmen. Yes, innocent civillians will die in lebanon -- but they already know and accept their country is ruled by terrorists. So, they must accept their fate. |
Wow thats quite harsh. Civilians should be left out of this conflict which is a conflict between a terrorist group & a foreign government.
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