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 Posted: Sat, 15th Apr 2006 20:42 Post subject: How far should open minded and acceptance go? |
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I've been lurking and posting in this forum for ages. In most debates, I find myself agreeing with people like SexyJesus and the Rat. They preach open mindedness and acceptance of people that are different than them. But at the same time, they don't accept those that are ignorant, nationalist (or simply overly patriotic to the point that they accept the silly idea that <country x> is the best country in the world), racist, et cetera?
But I was wondering, why should acceptance end there? It's a paradox in it's own right - but by openly condemning people with certain viewpoints (those that condemn people of other races, beliefs, ideas, etc), aren't you being just as bad yourself? Aren't you a hypocrit?
I admit to occasionally condeming closer minded and generally ignorant people myself too, however I've began thinking - why should acceptance and open-mindedness only go as far as it currently is?
Sorry if my wording is a little vague, I tried to explain the best I could.
I guess the only right answer (that I can think of) is "if everybody were accepting and open minded, there'd be no reason to fight". But it'll never be that simple. Shouldn't people set the best example they can?
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Godlikez*
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Apr 2006 20:53 Post subject: |
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"If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Apr 2006 21:27 Post subject: |
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Saying your open minded and condemming someone who doesnt agree with you is extremely hypocritical. Its like people who say they love everyone, but when someone says something about maybe a black person that open minded person is right there to condem and attack them. Isnt that kind of stupid?
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Apr 2006 21:32 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: | | Saying your open minded and condemming someone who doesnt agree with you is extremely hypocritical. Its like people who say they love everyone, but when someone says something about maybe a black person that open minded person is right there to condem and attack them. Isnt that kind of stupid? |
That is kind of what I'm talking about, yes.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006 01:21 Post subject: |
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I think its about makin concessions (sp?).
Everyoine wont agree or be comfortable with everything. It'll never happen and it would kinda suck if it did. Without ideas and changing viewpoints how can we progress as a society?
What people need to do is learn to be understanding. I can tolerate an ultra conservative, a jehovah's witness, any kind of zealot/out spoken/opinionated person....as long as they express themselves in the right fashion and non offensively.
I think its more about conflicting personalities as oppose to conflicting ideas. Ultra Conservative or Hippy, we all want the same basic things - peace, prosperity, love and the better living for all.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006 02:22 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | I think its about makin concessions (sp?).
Everyoine wont agree or be comfortable with everything. It'll never happen and it would kinda suck if it did. Without ideas and changing viewpoints how can we progress as a society?
What people need to do is learn to be understanding. I can tolerate an ultra conservative, a jehovah's witness, any kind of zealot/out spoken/opinionated person....as long as they express themselves in the right fashion and non offensively.
I think its more about conflicting personalities as oppose to conflicting ideas. Ultra Conservative or Hippy, we all want the same basic things - peace, prosperity, love and the better living for all. |
That is impossible and you know it. Someone might be offended by the word 'and'. SOMETHING offends EVERYONE.
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006 02:58 Post subject: |
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rat open minded? LOL i laugh at that comment
looks like i also hurt his feelings and that a "racist mod banning him" was too much and he left...
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006 03:03 Post subject: |
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I consider myself pretty openminded and I can accept most people as whom they are.
Even though I can accept that people are racist/whatever that doesn't mean I agree with them nor does it mean I think they think the right thing.
If they want to be, for example, racist sure be that but if you are going to tell me all about why I should be that too I will think that you are stupid trying to convince me into being something I don't like.
Its like Syco saying that weed is cool. Well he thinks it is, but I don't.... 
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fraich3
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006 04:23 Post subject: |
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You/I can only accept/tolerate people to some extend. Even though i see my self as understanding and tolerant, some people are just to stupid for me to try bothering. And even though that makes me contrary to what i stated first, i think most people knows what i am talking about.
But i always try to be tolerant or acceptable to people in the start of a new conversation, where perhaps people who perhaps arent as tolerant might just babble on about their thougts, without hearing to what one self has to say. In a situation like that i just turn the deaf ear.
Otherwise i just enjoy a intelligent conversation where viewpoints can be shared and you actual can learn something new.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Apr 2006 08:34 Post subject: |
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i wouild say that a person should be open minded to every topic that wont potentialy offend\harm them or anybody else. BUT thats pretty much impossible on our peaceful little planet....
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Apr 2006 22:16 Post subject: |
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Respect everyones views but do not try to force your views on me.
Always challenge opposing views, and always challenege your sources.
A good debater will see both sides. Provide good and bad for both sides. And end with an educated conculsion supporting there position.
You cant, and should not try to please everyone. And do you homework before spouting out a bunch of nonsence. Just becasue you can write on an internet forum, doesnt mean you should.
There are many members on this board that have actually made me think a little different or actually change my views on a subject. One member is Nouseforaname. Even though i rarely ever agree with him, i always respect his views. But there are others that dont have a clue on how to write an educated, sensible position.And Honestly i dont have alot of respect for there views, becasue they dont know enough to even respect there own views, or even try and write a coherant argument or position.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Apr 2006 22:48 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Apr 2006 22:57 Post subject: |
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I believe one's freedom ends where other peoples freedom begins...
So i do not tolerate racism etc, but can live with most views, as long as there are not imposed on me.
One small example: Last Thursday, i wanted to go out with some friends only to find out that because of the easter holidays all "public entertainment" has been denied by the local government. So much for segregation between state and church...
Although this wasn't really a big deal it angered me quite alot because those catholics imposed their belief on me.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Apr 2006 23:26 Post subject: |
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Open mindedness should be Fluidic and endless like the oceans.
You should try to put yourself into other peoples or animals perspective.
But mostly its about understanding.
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 17:36 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 19:03 Post subject: |
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Being intolerent of intolerence is a virtue in my opinion. No matter how hypocritical it may be.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 20:18 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Being intolerent of intolerence is a virtue in my opinion. No matter how hypocritical it may be. |
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 20:35 Post subject: |
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That is the stupidest thing I have ever read. How can someone be tolerant and open minded but hate people who aren’t?
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 20:39 Post subject: |
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I know your special ability to tolerant hate crimes kirk, though im for one simply hate blind, stupid, persons who kill, violate and abuse people because of their skin color.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 20:44 Post subject: |
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Why dont you just start a communist country in your own back yeard? im sure denmark will let you go.
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 21:01 Post subject: |
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Sorry kind sir. I should tolerant skinheads to kill 6 year old kids which happen to be black... Sorry my mistake.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 22:06 Post subject: |
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as much as we use the words openmindedness and logic to describe the validity of ones argument. i have seen its really desire of ones inerself that is the prime compeller or mover of mans mind. ppl form beliefs based on desires, mostly in the subcouncious though with meditation and reflection can be discovered. the desire to distrust ppl of other race, creed or culture is very common, some argue its instinct but can be tamed. regardless we argue about validity where as we should reflect to see if the argument serves which of our desires.
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 22:30 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | Sorry kind sir. I should tolerant skinheads to kill 6 year old kids which happen to be black... Sorry my mistake. |
Blacks in africa routinly rape babys to cure aids. You are so tolerant to support that.
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 22:40 Post subject: |
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Why should I? I hate child abusher's as much as I hate racism.
Still that black man aint living in the same society as you and me. Africa is far behind when it comes to our society (to point finger at anyone we could take EU and their aid to farmers within EU) Which im deeply ashamed by being a part of that through my taxes.
The black man you usually attack are the black man living in the same society as you. A man who is just like you except he is black. Now alot, dont see him as a man but only a foolish animal which is on big succubus upon society.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Apr 2006 22:58 Post subject: |
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So just because africa has had just as much time as the rest of the world to learn to grow crops and they couldnt they are given a free pass to rape babies? I bet you and your deep shame would NEVER move to africa. How can you critize the EU when you are part of it and wllingly stay? You can move to zimbabwe, theyll probably cut your arms off for your 20 dollar watch. Have fun.
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