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DXWarlock
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wait..so woke is only political now? Not the current social issues you said it also was before.
Ill quote it again, but pretend it wasn't about Aliens from 1986, but some new space movie now..would you say the same thing "What's woke about that?"
| Quote: | Cameron purposely wanted Ripley to have more screen time to counter and appeal to women as a 'strong hero character' in a 1980's dominated Schwarzenegger and Stallion.
"Cameron believed in having a strong female heroine to distinguish his films from typical Hollywood action fare and wrote the script with a picture of Weaver on his desk."
He called the overuse of male heroes "commercially shortsighted" in an industry whose audience is 50-percent female, and where "80 percent of the time, it's women who decide which film to see."
Schickel described Ripley as transcending the customary boundaries imposed on her gender, where females serve the male hero.
In Aliens, the male characters are neutralized by the film's climax and Ripley faces the queen alone. "A gun, which can be seen as a phallic symbol, has a different meaning when wielded by Weaver" |
This is LITERALLY why Cameron and Hurd (well convinced by Hurd and others) agreed to make the 2nd one.
If you saw that now, you would go "I dont see any social agenda or pandering to women in that"
And of course if Ripley was written now she would be different. The social issues are different than 40 year ago. (kind of...she would have the same goal 'women power' just different conduit to convey it. Back then it was "Women are as good, strong and commanding as the male muscle bound heros too").
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 22:38 Post subject: |
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Shhhh he's right, were wrong. Were blinded to only what he can see. His YouTube people inform him of all the woke stuff.
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 22:39 Post subject: |
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There's nothing in Aliens that is overly political or pushes typical preachy woke agendas? What scene in Aliens is woke?
| WaldoJ wrote: | | Shhhh he's right, were wrong. Were blinded to only what he can see. His YouTube people inform him of all the woke stuff. |
It's not me saying Aliens is woke...
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 22:41 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | There's nothing in Aliens that is overly political or pushes typical preachy woke agendas? What scene in Aliens is woke? |
By your rules: The entire premise of the script, social statement, and reason it was filmed?
Again only if the plot is not good enough for you to ignore the reason it was made..is it an agenda?
The ENTIRE statement I bolded is and written as such for that goal: Every male dies, and ripley, the strong woman faces the queen alone and wins. That was the scripts statement. Women can be heroes as good as our 1980's shirtless muscle hunks. She can do it without men..
I'm not saying its woke either. IM saying your rules of what is makes no sense.
Somewhere along the line since the 80's you picked up a hammer, now EVERYTHING has nails in it.
I feel your stance parallels the 'negro agenda' stance of the 1960's: Sure we had black people in TV shows and movies before. But now they are putting them in for the sake of having black people ruining the show by forcing them in it. And making whole shows around them JUST because they are black.
Like if they had a LGBTBBQWTF show about them being gay/whatever they are now..You would have a madlibs version of my grandfathers statement about the show "Good Times":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Times
"Look at that! A show about n*ggers, for n*ggers, encouraging and normalizing being poor and black for no other reason to pander to them in showbiz. Who would want to watch a buch of n*ggers, do n*gger stuff while poor...other brain damaged n*ggers. This isnt for 'normal' people that watch TV, its trash." (Not his exact words as it was long ago and I was like 9, but surely within a good impression of him...and over use of the n word, to highlight how he talked, I stayed with them a lot when I was baby/young, I am surprised it wasn't my first word..lol)
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:04 Post subject: |
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He decided to not make it into a overly-political movie that pushes social issues and agendas onto the viewer, so no, it's not woke. Is he a woke person? Maybe he is.
Is a movie woke if some of the actors are woke, same with music, games, art? Would it even be possible to care about that because you would have to spend many months digging through what everyone thinks in that movie.
It's really not too interesting because ultimately you're just trying to enjoy a movie without agendas and preachy crap, that's as good as it gets.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:05 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | Would it even be possible to care about that because you would have to spend many months digging through what everyone thinks in that movie.
It's really not too interesting because ultimately you're just trying to enjoy a movie without agendas and preachy crap, that's as good as it gets. |
The irony..it hurts, it hurts so bad....
(sorry mods, last post, we stole this thread because of me).
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:17 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | The irony is that it's now you who's decided that woke is pretty much everything, not me. To make your lousy argument work you had to get super far fetched  "but-but-but in an interview he said..." give me a fucking break. |
You know what you sound like, right?
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:25 Post subject: |
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Ok not last post. THIS IS.
| vurt wrote: | | The irony is that it's now you who's decided that woke is pretty much everything, not me. |
What...? We started this conversation, because most posts you have about shows/movies/games/social media/your neighbors cat is YOU deciding they are all a thing called 'woke'. It's like your calling card, or your catch phrase, your 'thing'. Like the fonz says ''aaaaay'..this is yours.
Like if you ran a game show where the audience reads the title out loud going "IS...IT..WOKE?" No one could ever lose, because the answer to 90% of the questions would be "What is 'yes'.. I'll take movies for $500 alex".
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:28 Post subject: |
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haha i'm just trying to enjoy shit without preachy politics and agendas. what the hell is there to be upset about? how is it even an issue to you what i enjoy or don't enjoy?
like i said, i have no idea if this series is woke or not, but color me (very pleasantly) surprised if it isn't and that's great.
I've not mentioned "woke" in probably months before this thread btw. other people on the forum mentions it all time and you don't go apeshit over it. i have a very clear definition of what it is and where i draw the line, and that angers you for whatever reason. i'm clearly no extremist that can't enjoy a movie because maybe the film creator is woke as a person, i only really care about what's presented on screen. whatever dude.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:35 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | haha i'm just trying to enjoy shit without preachy politics and agendas. what the hell is there to be upset about? |
I honestly have no idea either. So confuses me even more you are.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:38 Post subject: |
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it's not me who was triggered, i was the one making the statement you two like always went absolute apeshit.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:51 Post subject: |
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if someone says several times he's going to quit writing in a thread but then just continues when i reply, then maybe you're a "little bit" trigged by any persons definition of the word. you never pointed out any kind of hypocrisy, you did some really far fetched arguments about Aliens being woke (big lol).
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:54 Post subject: |
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Or I changed my mind based on new information to rebuttal. Or is changing your mind 'woke' too?
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2022 23:57 Post subject: |
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I dont have a definition for it at all. As I dont need one or care about one either way. I was using yours.
So null/undefined != broad.
And for sake of argument, let's say I was triggered. Now what? What changes? Is there something I/you need to do differently?
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2022 00:04 Post subject: |
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you did come up with a definition for it, claiming it's something i must follow otherwise it's hypocrisy.. and you absolutely did not use mine.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2022 00:10 Post subject: |
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My mistake then, carry on.
Define woke however you want, and tilt all the windmills you wish. I was trying to help point out which was really giants, and which was just windmills.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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