Jedi: Fallen Order (by Respawn)
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friketje




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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Nov 2021 20:49    Post subject:
Just to show how bad single player games are for business:

https://massivelyop.com/2021/08/05/square-enix-q2-2021-financials-final-fantasy-xivs-subs-are-up/

"Square-Enix has released its second quarter financial report for 2021, and it paints a rather middling picture overall. Net revenue for the quarter YOY was up only 1.8%, with YOY declines in operating income and profits, in spite of the launch of Outriders and the NieR remaster, which were apparently unable to keep up YOY with the Final Fantasy VII Remake (and presumably, COVID lockdowns) in Q2 2020.

So what did contribute to that positive growth? Mobile sales, digital media, the company’s “amusement” facilities segment, and… MMORPGs."

Perhaps fallen order did well. But it's not enough and worth the risk. There is more money in lootboxes.


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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Nov 2021 20:52    Post subject:
B-b-but what about Denuvo the lord and saviour of video game revenue....? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Nov 2021 21:39    Post subject:
friketje wrote:
Just to show how bad single player games are for business:

https://massivelyop.com/2021/08/05/square-enix-q2-2021-financials-final-fantasy-xivs-subs-are-up/

"Square-Enix has released its second quarter financial report for 2021, and it paints a rather middling picture overall. Net revenue for the quarter YOY was up only 1.8%, with YOY declines in operating income and profits, in spite of the launch of Outriders and the NieR remaster, which were apparently unable to keep up YOY with the Final Fantasy VII Remake (and presumably, COVID lockdowns) in Q2 2020.

So what did contribute to that positive growth? Mobile sales, digital media, the company’s “amusement” facilities segment, and… MMORPGs."

Perhaps fallen order did well. But it's not enough and worth the risk. There is more money in lootboxes.


The thing about MMORPG's is that they're much more costly to maintain; servers and bandwidth, updates, a permanent game team on the payroll to update/bugfix/support/etc.etc.). The big ones are obviously still quite profitable but I personally don't know the actual net profit after all the cost of running the game has been deducted (or if they even report it). Single player games are basically one-time deals with a skeleton crew working on support, bugfixes and support after release. Besides, the sheer amount of people that prefer SP games over MMO's is huge (or love both formats...).


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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Nov 2021 22:08    Post subject:
Although Fallen Order had several conceptual cinederpmatic flaws borrowed from other console tripe-A titles and its story was the typical Disneyan fare, I enjoyed the ride for what it was, like some sort of Dark Souls Jar Jar Edition. Wouldn't mind having a sequel, though in all honesty I don't really care about the franchise's fate. Alas, the heights of JK2/JA and their free-flowing PC-centric combat will never be reached again, and it's a damn shame Okay
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Nov 2021 22:38    Post subject:
friketje wrote:


Perhaps fallen order did well. But it's not enough and worth the risk. There is more money in lootboxes.



Not perhaps. It was the second best selling game of 2019 or whenever it came out. Sony's singleplayer cinematic shit sells in the tens of millions. God of War was just announced at 20 million. Singleplayer is not doing bad. It's individual games, regardless if they're multi or single.
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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Nov 2021 15:18    Post subject:
Good, simple game.

It has a cool SW atmosphere to satiate some eventual hunger raised by some book / film / cartoons. But it's too bad there's no replay value here.


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pho08




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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Jan 2022 18:54    Post subject:
they're making a sequel, possibly even w 2022 release

https://wccftech.com/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-2-revealed-e3/
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jan 2022 14:19    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
they're making a sequel, possibly even w 2022 release

https://wccftech.com/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-2-revealed-e3/


Coolio.. some more lightsaber action with a cute little BD-1 on your shoulder. I do hope they improve the gameplay mechanics instead of just lifting it from other games. The lore, characters and the world they built was cool but it was annoying to go back to the same planets 2-3 times as well as having to start from the landing pad every time. They should interconnect some key meditation/save sites so you don't have to spend 20-30 minutes on getting to where you've already been. Oh well, we'll see.


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jan 2022 20:48    Post subject:
Vomit
Shitty sequel to a shitty, boring, uninspired game that nobody asked for.


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jan 2022 20:52    Post subject:
vaifan1986 wrote:
Vomit
Shitty sequel to a shitty, boring, uninspired game that nobody asked for.

I liked the game. And I asked for sequel. Silly me?


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jan 2022 21:02    Post subject:
Classic hump
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jan 2022 22:08    Post subject:
The game is rather mediocre. I bet if it didn't have lightsabers, most people wouldn't have even remembered it. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jan 2022 22:29    Post subject:
It was pretty good, but exploration should have been much more rewarding than some skin shit.
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jan 2022 22:46    Post subject:
It was shite Laughing
And I’m a huge Star Wars fan, lightsabers did not save it for me I’m afraid.


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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jan 2022 06:02    Post subject:
If you're in the US, and have Amazon Prime, for the rest of this month (January 2022) you can claim a free code for this game on Origin at gaming.amazon.com.

If you don't have Amazon Prime, the prices for this game will drop to below $1 on the CD Key sites as the deadline to claim the key is Feb 2nd, and the last day they can be redeemed on Origin is Feb 7th
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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jan 2022 08:55    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
It was pretty good, but exploration should have been much more rewarding than some skin shit.

I agree. A good game with some flaws. Instead of making exploration worth something they simply put some useless skins in them.


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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jan 2022 11:28    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jan 2022 12:57    Post subject:
The exploration was not rewarding.
Etc

If this was a good game, the lamentable Tomb Raider trilogy is a masterpiece. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jan 2022 23:04    Post subject:
Rifleman wrote:
vaifan1986 wrote:
Vomit
Shitty sequel to a shitty, boring, uninspired game that nobody asked for.

I liked the game. And I asked for sequel. Silly me?

It's fine if you liked it.

But the game is a shell of what it could be. It's embarrassing that even with todays budgets and game engines, no game has been able to recapture what made Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy great.

This game gives you a lightsaber and Force powers, but limits both to such a degree that it made them incredibly boring.


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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jan 2022 23:12    Post subject:
rayida wrote:
If you're in the US, and have Amazon Prime, for the rest of this month (January 2022) you can claim a free code for this game on Origin at gaming.amazon.com.

If you don't have Amazon Prime, the prices for this game will drop to below $1 on the CD Key sites as the deadline to claim the key is Feb 2nd, and the last day they can be redeemed on Origin is Feb 7th


Currently at $0.49 lol

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Do the codes expire?

Yes. Amazon Prime members may claim one game code for this offer from January 3, 2022 to February 2, 2022. The code will be eligible for redemption on Origin until February 7, 2022.
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Jan 2022 01:47    Post subject:
rayida wrote:
rayida wrote:
If you're in the US, and have Amazon Prime, for the rest of this month (January 2022) you can claim a free code for this game on Origin at gaming.amazon.com.

If you don't have Amazon Prime, the prices for this game will drop to below $1 on the CD Key sites as the deadline to claim the key is Feb 2nd, and the last day they can be redeemed on Origin is Feb 7th


Currently at $0.49 lol

Quote:
Do the codes expire?

Yes. Amazon Prime members may claim one game code for this offer from January 3, 2022 to February 2, 2022. The code will be eligible for redemption on Origin until February 7, 2022.


They are very strict with those redemption dates as I tried to give someone one of the free Battlefield keys that I forgot I had and even though it should have had a few more hours to be redeemed going by the date they posted it would expire it still said it could not be redeemed so I am not sure which timezone they actually end up using for the cutoff times.
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Jan 2022 06:26    Post subject:
vaifan1986 wrote:
Rifleman wrote:
vaifan1986 wrote:
Vomit
Shitty sequel to a shitty, boring, uninspired game that nobody asked for.

I liked the game. And I asked for sequel. Silly me?

It's fine if you liked it.

But the game is a shell of what it could be. It's embarrassing that even with todays budgets and game engines, no game has been able to recapture what made Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy great.

This game gives you a lightsaber and Force powers, but limits both to such a degree that it made them incredibly boring.


I agree 100%, but my greatest desire, the hope that we will get Jedi Academy 2 died long time ago Crying or Very sad , so sadly have to stick with what we have.


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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Jan 2022 11:41    Post subject:
I agree with this sentiment too.. instead of a wallrunning console style game I want a next-gen Jedi Knight game. I'm quite worried about the remake of The Knights of the Old Republic since it's published by SONY. Unfortunately us old farts in our 30'ies, 40'ies and 50'ies grew up with proper

PC Master Race will get another console port. I somehow doubt that SONY will spend any notable sum to streamline and optimize the PC version. Sad

And the developers, Aspyr Media, haven't made a single game so far. They've only ported existing games to Mac, Linux, iOS and Nintendo Switch as well as a bunch of console ports to PC.

There's a HUGE difference between developing a game with soooo many things going into it (script, design documents, modelling, texturing and art design, sound and music, world building, npc AI, pacing and level design etc. etc. etc.) compared to porting where you lift all the assets and the engine and reshape it to work on a different system. Sure, the latter isn't easy but it's nothing like developing a game whether it's a new IP or a reboot.


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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Jan 2022 12:57    Post subject:
Jedi Knight 3 or f**k off!®

After playing Half Life 2 in 2004 - that's 2 years after JK2 came out - I told to myself:

"Holy f**k, you dreamy pirate-teenager-young-adult-that-looks-dashing, just imagine the next Jedi Knight game with the HL2 physics!1"

Still waiting for those fuckers to get a grip and find the creative force and balls to give us what we deserve!

 Spoiler:
 


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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Jan 2022 13:56    Post subject:
blackeyedboy wrote:

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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Jan 2022 13:57    Post subject:
Yes, Jedi Knight sequel please, but with FPS lightsaber combat. I dont want shitty forced 3rd person lightsaber combat (like jedi academy).
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Jan 2022 14:14    Post subject:
Today's majority of 'customers' (read: gamers) have been 'trained' to have much lower standards, to receive instant gratification, to accept whatever the hype machine feeds them.

On the other hand, us, handsome, wise and (very)intelligent veterans, we moan each day about immersion, innovation, passion and rewarding hardship... So, damn son, of course we are getting ignored! Laughing

Look, even in this... Dark Souls 4 (four!), talking about instant gratification / and inherent mOdeRn short-cuts to rewards, that horse jumping off a cliff in a spot where 'convenient' magic has been placed... I mean... fuck son, really?! Rolling Eyes That's lazy mechanics, bub! Besides, GOD FORBID we delay the player with 20 seconds and put him to find HIMSELF(!) a path trough the landscape... Rolling Eyes

Good thing we (me, at least) still find pleasure in replaying games that were made with passion. And, thank GOD, there's still plenty of those!

NO ONE said that we need to play / try / buy EVERY single (AAA) game that comes out nowadays. Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Jan 2022 14:18    Post subject:
Ampee wrote:
Yes, Jedi Knight sequel please, but with FPS lightsaber combat. I dont want shitty forced 3rd person lightsaber combat (like jedi academy).

"the marketing department at EA has acknowloedged your request and....

...come to the conclusion, the core gamer will not appreciate complex changes to the franchise such as these.

request DENIED" Razz


(lets not kid ourselves, that's not going to happen -- anyway, kyle katarn would turn in his grave at the sight of the abomination EA would turn this into)
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Jan 2022 13:55    Post subject:
blackeyedboy wrote:
Jedi Knight 3 or f**k off!®

After playing Half Life 2 in 2004 - that's 2 years after JK2 came out - I told to myself:

"Holy f**k, you dreamy pirate-teenager-young-adult-that-looks-dashing, just imagine the next Jedi Knight game with the HL2 physics!1"

Still waiting for those fuckers to get a grip and find the creative force and balls to give us what we deserve!

 Spoiler:
 


I'll just keep playing Movie Battles 2, thank you Very Happy I'll get some of you to play this gem someday Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Jan 2022 22:48    Post subject:
Yea man, but we also want good stories, dialogues, choices, also exploration and unique places and characters from Star Wars.

It's not all about pew pew, swoosh swoosh.

But if you enjoy it, good for you! You're lucky you have something Star Wars to play...


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