You knowing a 'lot' that will, and them outnumbering kids that want toys from mattel are not equal.
It's the way Mattel makes money...And they know who to target that has made them money. You might be a profitable market, but Mattel are not, nor ever have been in that demographic market. They have an always will have 'Sub 18' as their tried and proven bread and butter.
NOW if some outside figurine maker that caters to adults bought the rights to the He-man universe and made a cartoon and toys and it turned out to this..Id agree they missed THEIR target audience by a mile.
And kids dont play with toys? Literally every kid on my block under 10 [the same target as old he-man: 5th grade elementary kids at the upper end], or in my family has FUCKLOAD of toys along with that phone. It's Walmarts biggest money maker at christmas (even past electronics).
And TECHNICALLY the name IS right.
The name was:
He-Man and The Masters of the Universe (the other characters).
This name is:
Masters of the Universe (about the other characters).
So your complaining a show, called after the other characters, is about the other characters...
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Any action figure maker these days knows knows the market are mostly adults, especially GI Joe, He-Man and Star Wars too. They know these people have money now and that many of those are interested in collecting. And yes they come in a variety of quality ranging from a little better than the old 3.75" star wars figures to figures costing $300 and upwards.
i've never said kids doesn't play with toys, but i can assure you that collecting action figures isn't nearly as big as it once was, none of my friend's kids are collecting action figures, and my friends hasn't exactly been shy to introduce them to it (since just like me they're kind of... nerdy ) playing with toys is one thing, collecting hundreds of figures is something else.
No, the naming isn't very correct, it means He-Man is the centre of the show, which he isn't. This isn't how naming has been done before for the female characters of the show, then it's their name in the title, obviously. Fans agrees and are upset, that's what matters, it's mishandled. What someone who dislikes the brand thinks is uninteresting, you're not gonna buy the blueray, you're not gonna buy the toys etc.
The show is called "Masters of the Universe: Revelation".
I watched it too and its ok for what it is. Not good. Not that bad either. I feel silly just watching it.
Spoiler:
Like the above mentioned part where Teela is mad because "You all lied to me" instead of "Oh no, Adam/He-Man died". But I interpreted it as the drop that that spilled the glass. The Kings reaction was very similar too, so there is that.
Nevermind that the show has Man-at-arms saving the day a few times, because the women clearly couldn't handle it. As opposed to He-Man always being OP, without even training, just by holding a sword up. You know, like Captain Marvel, He-Man just got OP through magic.
Anyway, its still a silly show with more modern tropes that tries to bring sense and coherence into a completely over the top very VERY american 80ies commercial shitshow that was aimed at the lowest boys instincts with a very OP main char in shorts. I have no issues with the idea that a warrior woman has an amazonian physique instead of just looking sexy. Just watch the olympics (heptathlon f.e.), they usually have broader physiques add the MotU treatement and you get Teela and Co.
Its 2021 and we're wondering that the macho tropes have been replaced?
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Any action figure maker these days knows knows the market are mostly adults
Where in any part of Mattel's history has adults being its target? You are comparing specialized figuring makers that's starting out purpose was to cater to adults, with a company that's audience and business model has 100% been kids since 1945.
Again if one of those mentioned companies bought it. Id 100% agree they fucked up and missing the target they needed to aim for based on their business model.
vurt wrote:
No, the naming isn't very correct
YES IT IS...sigh.
You might not like the name, and mistakenly associate them as one. But they 100% are referencing two seperate things.
The Masters of the Universe in no way implies he is part of them, he LEADS them. Its as literal as you can get, by cheesy 80's show lore the people he calls to assist. Man at Arms, Ram Man, orko, Teela Na, etc are all part of the (per the show, and short lived comic before the show was made, AND in the minicomics that came with some of the toys) He-Man, andthe accompanying band of Masters of the Universe as cannon, that is their title.
He even said in the comic (was 30 years ago so might be off on exact wording): "I will call and assemble The Masters." When they learned of Snake Mountain when the royal guard captured Skeletor.
Fuck I haven't even follow it since I was 12-13ish and I know this [I dont think most these 'fans' actually remember the show, they just remember wanting to be kids that liked the show again]
Edit:
I even had to go check to see if I remembered right. they dont even SAY "And the masters of the universe" in the voice over, since the show was about him:
( at 1:08 )
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The new Mattel figures are clearly more aimed towards the adults who has a history with it, but i'm sure they'll happily sell to kids to, just saying it's not very big among kids these days and it's not where they expect the big sales.
Who do you think purchased the recent wave of He-man figures? Scalpers mostly, and the prices they're taking now for those figures, lol, yeah, it's not gonna go to any kids, it's mostly to adult collectors. Mattel and any other figure maker are well aware of how this works and which the audience is, for the most part.
The fans doesn't like the naming - the bait and switch, and why would they. What you think, as someone who isn't a fan, is again, totally uninteresting and irrelevant.
Name anything "The KEY-interest and the humpty dum" if you then focus on the humpty dum, then people are going to be upset, is this rocket science really?
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I dont think most these 'fans' actually remember the show, they are just wanting to remember being kids that liked the show, again.
Because if they did, they would know what the title name means in the old show they liked....
And me currently not being a fan anymore, nullifies I was one my entire childhood life? My knowledge of the lore from the toys, comics, show, and Marvel Comic series is all moot. Its now "irrelevant"?
"You are not a hardcore fan anymore. So any input you have on its meaning covering the period when you was one, is invalid".
And if Mattel was targeting you, consider it greenhorn failure of trying to target an audience they never tried to before What more you expect of a company with 50+ years of only targeting children?
vurt wrote:
Name anything "The KEY-interest and the humpty dum" if you then focus on the humpty dum, then people are going to be upset, is this rocket science really?
And if the new show was called only "humpty dum" I would not expect KEY-interest..to be a...KEY-interest.
Would you also watch a show spun off of Phineas and Ferb called "Ferb" and complain there is WAY too much story about Ferb?
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Most fans will have watched the original show a few times i reckon.. you can't really be a fan of something and then just let it go, then you're not a fan any longer. The old fans knows He-Man means He-Man probably?
I'm speaking from the perspective of a show being able to sustain itself commercially - you're uninteresting if you're not going to watch, you don't like the brand, you're not gonna purchase toys or bluerays etc. How are you relevant?
Key interest = He-Man (its in the title), fans are not really getting He-Man, are they? How is this difficult for you? Correct naming would again be Masters of the Universe - Teela and Girl Friends . That would be honest.
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I'm not relevant to them I admit. But what's that got to do with debating the canon of the naming?
I'm not a star wars fan AT ALL. but wife is so much I know much of its canon by proxy and her watching them 1000 times. Doesnt mean I cannot know what I'm talking about just because I am not a marketable customer to the corporation that makes it.
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Where EXACTLY is he-man in the new title name? Thats the part you keep confusing on me. It MIGHT be, just I never seen it. If it is then I stand corrected.
vurt wrote:
at this point you have no idea what you're talking about.
Explain. I have no idea what you are referring to that I have no idea about, other than a general 'hand having' comment with it.
Robinhood and his band of merry men. "His merry men" are those that fight with him.
IF they had a show "The Merry men" Id expect Robinhood to be a support character on screen a lot for reference at best.
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No you are probably correct, or they did change it which at least is a little honest, though main dude on the cover is still He-Man - he's the selling point.
what exactly did he expect. if fans doesn't like it then yes it will be bombed with bad reviews, duh... if he means it russians or bots, no.. this is what the fans thinks about his take on this universe.
AH ok. I see where you coming from. Yea that was bad then, probably why they changed it.
And I'm not saying it cannot be a shit show. A complete pandering of plot, story, agenda, narrative or what have you (not saying is or isn't just that if it was) and them using those characters as puppets to do it with.
To me it just rehashing a previous hard pandering show, with a opposite pandering now (both leaned a little too hard into it). We just didnt mind the pandering before because they was pandering TO us.
But of all the things to ding it for, the title (or at least finalized title) of it refers to the correct cast they are using to do it. They might make a shit show using that cast but the title fits the cast
But then again, I do wonder if Thundercats (the original) was released now a days, if some people would not raise hackles about cheetara being a 'token feminist' by having a feminist haircut, an attitude, and bossy female that is 'of course for..reasons' the voice of reason of the outfit.
You stare at something hard enough with the filters you brought specifically to find it, you find the pattern you was seeking to scrutinize.
(Like the fact that Lion-O's Sword of Omens projected a red dot the cats was compelled to chase)
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We've had bad ass females in movies, games. No one have a problem with it they're cool, well written, comes of as natural and not as some agenda. When you turn them into males / trans characters fans will notice.. everyone noticed with Last of Us II... Cuckman even admitted it's agenda driven.
It was interesting to hear KS say that Netflix doesn't care about the bad reviews because "they have x millions of subscribers". This is (part) of the problem... these companies sit on so much money that i guess they just don't give a shit if it fails, they don't even need anyone to look over it and say "you know we researched a little... maybe you should listen to the fans, it seems like they really like this He-Man fella, maybe he should be the main attraction of the show?"
i also don't think it helps that he said "i still get paid!". it's like a fuck off, i do what i want and i don't give a shit since i get paid anyways. i think he'll lose a lot of credit, the little he still have. (this is from the interview he did yesterday on his channel).
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I think, as I said, an attempt to appeal to a younger audience to get a new fresh set of commercializable wallets.
And it failed (or failing), like many many shows do since TV shows started: Make a show that THINKS it has its finger on the pulse of the youth. Put it out, realize 40-50 year old executives no matter how many study groups they use, dont get it..and just end up a parody of what they think they are appealing to.
See for reference nearly any resurrected tv show made for kids:
The new Duck Tails, Tom and Jerry, The really bad Looney Toons series they KEEP trying to reinvent, "Whats new Scooby doo", The NEW thundercats (that one was WAAAY worse), teen titans go, the last power puff cartoon remake, New Total DramaRama, The Chipmunks, list goes on and on.
Edit: for me Smith did a few good movies around Clerks, and that was it, and maybe Dogma. He was 'done' after that as far as importance to me.
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With the show title of this forum topic did someone edit it or was it called Masters of the Universe since 2019 when this discussion started? If so I am not sure why people are flipping out since He-Man is not in the title.
Also with those 2 different IMDB links, one is interesting since it says He-Man is in 8 episodes and Teela is in 6 so it would be funny after all the complaints if it was already planned for Teela to sacrifice herself in Episode 6 and everyone gets their manly He-Man once again for most of the second set of 5 episodes for part 2.
if he's trolling i'd actually give him some credit that would be pretty funny - make fans expect the Teela show (due to Clownfish exposing it from their source) and get angry when its portrayed as such - completely turn it around. yeah, i'd like that, i'd watch it haha. He'd gain some respect for pulling a joke like that i think!
As for fans, they want He-Man, it's as easy as that, and he claimed he's not stepping aside at all.
Developed by millenials for children.
As long as at any point these characters who throw tantrums end up having a conversation about said tantrum and it was wrong, and fueled by raw emotion that they couldn't control, then it is a great show for kids. If said tantrums go unpunished then it is a terrible show for kids.
If Kevin Smith lied about Heman then so did everyone else who boasted their admiration for the show. Because somehow every single critic collectively forgot what this show was and how it was progressive for its time.
Anyone complaining about stupid marketing, pr and how Kevin Smith is a dirtbag sjw haven't been actually watching his content for the past 8 years. While at the same time boasting their love for him and how they now feel betrayed. It is hilarious.
Anyone against this isn't in the target demographic and they're whining and bitching about a cartoon for little girls. Just realize that. This isn't some anti-sjw crusade. This is grown ass people whining about a cartoon they never really watched, were never really fans, never read the comics, the fan fiction, the continuous lore that expanded over the years and somehow have the authority to bitch. They're complete morons willing to die on a hill for a cartoon for children.
It's like when grown ass women who watched my little pony back in the day now have the audacity to bitch about the current incarnation. It ain't for them. And it is aimed at kids and little girls who love it. Simple.
Kevin Smith didn't lie. He regurgitated pr talk for marketing purposes. He doubled down. As they all do. Does it matter? No. Could people have seen it coming? Of course. Did they? Somehow they didn't. Somehow these hardcore Kevin Smith fans haven't watched his weekly podcasts. Somehow these hardcore fans didn't see jay and silent Bob 2. Somehow these hardcore fans have had no idea Kevin switched gears to survive in Hollywood and survive with his career. Somehow these hardcore Kevin Smith fans have had no idea that he's no longer this grotesque edgy mother fucker anymore. They still saw him as dogma Kevin Smith. They still saw him as clerks Kevin Smith. They're moron to think he's still the same person.
There's no attack here. They picked a battle for a cartoon not aimed at them.
yup he's lying about several things.. he's also said he's a fan and he's also said he doesn't care for it the least, which doesn't add up. so he's a total shill and exposed for it. people defending him are fucking retards, or just clueless of what kind of shill he's become (he used to be loved by geeks).
He could easily have made this into something likeable for the fans, but decided (which is often the case these days) to instead virtue signal and gain some brownie points from shill media like IGN, Kotaku etc, he knows he will get those 10/10 reviews from these.. he can cry all he wants about it getting "review bombed" lol.
Also, it's not aimed towards kids, the target audience is obviously fans, and perhaps kids of those fans so they can watch it together. That's where it will find its audience completely naturally. Kids of 2021 have no connection to He-Man or Teela, and they have millions of other cartoons to chose from, no reason to pick this over anything else. Adults are way more picky and often chose what they watch through nostalgia. Both voice actors, KS are saying it's aimed towards the now adult fans and "kids of all ages" so yeah...
@WaldoJ
Smith kinda lied here tho one has to admit in retrospect.
I too in the beginning has the same view, that you have to expect some amount of sugar coating and hyping from the people who produce the show, like with every show.
If they'd be transparent about the direction, it could have been a hit show, I believe.
Instead they've attracted mass downvotes which are likely 90% undeserved/objective/representative.
Too bad for them.
He lied in a sense of marketing. Calling it a sequel. A spiritual successor. Etc. Etc. In essence it is. But these are lies of omission he branded it as a he-man show at first when in fact it wasn't. He couldn't spoil the show. Couldn't spoil the premise. He-man is still in it as far I am aware.
Saying he was a fan and all that who honestly cares. Seriously only recently you have actors admitting that they knew nothing of the character they portrayed until after being cast. Before you had them blissfully use scripted talking points showering their character with love and admiration.
You can hate him all you want and call him a liar all you want, but at the end of the day he's obligated to sell the show to fans and new people. It is his job.
Like there was a story a while back, not sure which resident evil show it was, but to review (or at least receive a review copy) it you weren't allowed to discuss the politics of the show/wokeness of the show in a negative way. It is a common practice these days. allowed to review early only if you promise to praise it. And if you want to keep your job as a critic, you bow down. Think gamergate ethics in gaming journalism () and not gamergate harasser of women in gaming. That in and of itself is a bigger story than muh heman is pussy!
But it is easier to die on an ant hill than an actual hill.
@vurt he's still loved by geeks and nerds and faggots alike. Seriously. Stfu.
And it is aimed at kids. Just like mlp reboot was aimed at kids and not fans of the 80s/90s cartoon. Seriously. You are regurgitating talking points of people who never watched the show, praised the first trailer, loved the animation and the story and got excited over some kiddy shit, and then the "bait and switch" happened they discarded their opinions. Like they were sucking Kevin smiths dick a whole week before the news broke. And suddenly oh he's a shill and an sjw and not the same and a complete liar. Fuck off.
so after all the stuff i saw on twitter on this i went to actually watch ..... and damn what a bunch of fucking manchildren going nuclear over silly show
You can hate him all you want and call him a liar all you want, but at the end of the day he's obligated to sell the show to fans and new people. It is his job.
WaldoJ wrote:
And it is aimed at kids. Just like mlp reboot was aimed at kids and not fans
Fuck off you fake fuck, you can't even get your own hypocritical story right and you speak against yourself even. lol.
You're just rude to go into discussions when you have absolutely zero plot, which i've noticed is often the case. You're a total shill, fake ass little bitch who just want to argue, get a fucking life you absolute loser.
He's not liked by us geeks at all, its been quite a while since he had any kind of good rep in that sphere. you know nothing about it since i can tell you're not interested or invested in the very least in "geekdom". At best you might pretend, just like KS.
The show is promoted as being aimed at fans, this is from KS himself and i've also seen voice actors saying just the same. Stop pretending you know anything about this show and fuck off.
You can hate him all you want and call him a liar all you want, but at the end of the day he's obligated to sell the show to fans and new people. It is his job.
WaldoJ wrote:
And it is aimed at kids. Just like mlp reboot was aimed at kids and not fans
Fuck off you fake fuck, you can't even get your own hypocritical story right and you speak against yourself even. lol.
You're just rude to go into discussions when you have absolutely zero plot, which i've noticed is often the case. You're a total shill, fake ass little bitch who just want to argue, get a fucking life you absolute loser.
He's not liked by us geeks at all, its been quite a while since he had any kind of good rep in that sphere. you know nothing about it since i can tell you're not interested or invested in the very least in "geekdom". At best you might pretend, just like KS.
The show is promoted as being aimed at fans, this is from KS himself and i've also seen voice actors saying just the same. Stop pretending you know anything about this show and fuck off.
Jesus.
It was marketed to original fans much like power rangers were marketed to original fans. Were they the target audience? No. Original fans are boomers who don't buy trashy merchandise. Same with this. You will advertise to original fans but they don't have to be the target audience. They hopefully have kids and hopefully they aren't neets. Their kids would have disposable income and want to buy the toys and play with them. Buy the posters. The clothes. Original fans are a factor, but they're not the target audience. They hope they will bring in new fans. Like do you understand marketing?
Like how gullible are you? You really believe that a cartoon from the 80s would be making a comeback for the original fans? Did spiderman TAS make a comeback recently for the original fans? No it did not. They did so many spiderman cartoons for the every changing target audience. Can spiderman TAS fans enjoy some of the different incarnations? Yes but not all. Just cause they call it spiderman it doesn't mean it's related to the TAS. Same with batman. Same with tnmt. And guess what some fans are actually enjoying this version of heman.
You're gullible living in your own world unaware of anything. And geeks and nerds still love Kevin Smith. They listen to his podcasts, watch his live shows and show up to his conferences. So I don't know where you're getting that geeks don't love Kevin Smith.
It's not like OMG, it's a series from 80s that nobody remembers, only 50 year old virigins.
There's also fuckton of comic books in this verse.
And there also is "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" reboot by Rob David that should be on Netflix in 2021 or 2022.
Fuck Kevin Smith and calm your tits.
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I was ~12-13 when He-Man was broadcast here in Sweden (some time after the US I believe). I remember how stupid I thought it was it was, how much He-Man merch was advertised in every single comic book available and how extremely derivative the whole thing was. I guess I was too old at the time to find it entertaining. :/
@WaldoJ lol i exposed you for what you are, total fake shill who can't even keep your plot together in one post.. Dream on that you have any kind of credibility after that
It's advertised towards fans, no one can deny it, it's straight from KS, yet he's letting them down + also lying again and again + saying he doesn't care about reviews because he's getting paid nonetheless. lol, he's speaking like a man who knows he's dug his own hole, there's no return after this failure and exposure.
He should've learned from Silent Bob, but no, he's making an ass out of himself saying all the wrong things. The two remaining geeks who listened to his podcast have now left.
If he has so many geek fans then how come his videos, on his own channel, still have more thumbs down than ups.. sorry but you're totally clueless and as full of shit as always.
Boomers aren't buying the toys, they're a little too old i think. it's people in my age 40-50's... since i am a collector i do follow tons of YT channels, instagram channels, Facebook groups, review channels so i'm well aware of the age group since i interact, buy, sell...
@VonMisk indeed. finally someone with some knowledge
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) and not gamergate harasser of women in gaming. That in and of itself is a bigger story than muh heman is pussy!
