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zmed
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VonMisk
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Isn't it still in alpha?
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zmed
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2021 11:46 Post subject: |
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Factorio was in alpha for years and it was a polished, balanced experience throughout. DSP is in alpha, and it's sublime. Satisfactory is in alpha, and it's good.
One review said this:
| Quote: | - Generator-S, costs 4 minerals, occupies 5 slots, consumes 1 fuel, produces 3 energy.
- Generator-M, costs 10 minerals, occupies 12 slots, consumes 2 fuel, produces 6 energy.
- Generator-L, costs 20 minerals, occupies 21 slots, consumes 3 fuel, produces 9 energy.
Basically, 3x Generator-S costs 12 minerals, occupies 15 slots, consumes 3 fuel and produces 9 energy. Conclusions: Building 3x Generator-S costs less than a single Generator-L, but has same output. |
Fucking up something so trivial as "higher tier buildings should be better than lower tier ones", the game being in alpha is just isn't a good enough excuse.
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prudislav
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2021 14:07 Post subject: |
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might be intentional and ploy to "better fit them" in the building , given they are all corner parts
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2021 14:16 Post subject: |
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Hope they would be able to balance it. Game is the closet thing to K240 Amiga gem 
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zmed
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prudislav
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2021 14:51 Post subject: |
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wonder if someone reported that on steam forums
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Smaggit
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Surray
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 10:20 Post subject: |
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the game has a strange system where you refine resources into better ones offering more build points per resource, but then spending those high build point refined resources on low-cost buildings will waste most of the build points a single resource offers.
so while it's cheaper to build the small ones on paper, you're likely wasting resources and spending more. also more hp for the big ones apparently
dev posted this on the forums a while back
| Quote: | It will make sense in context of the combat. You can have 3 small devices but they are much more fragile during combat. Also, there's other things to factor in like Resource Costs and Tiers. 3 small devices is 3 Tier 3 resources and 1 large device is 1 Tier 3 resource. The 3 small devices are technically more expensive.
There's a lot of nuance to the balance behind the game that require understanding how all the systems interact with each other. It isn't as simple as bigger = better like an RPG. |
Likot Mosuskekim, Woodcutter cancels Sleep: Interrupted by Elephant.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 16:58 Post subject: |
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| Smaggit wrote: | | WhiteBarbarian wrote: | | Hope they would be able to balance it. Game is the closet thing to K240 Amiga gem |
Ever played the PC remake Fragile Allegiance? |
Yep, play both of them occasionally  Technically game is better but overall experience is worse. Feels more generic to me. |
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dethy
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 18:42 Post subject: |
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How is this game nowadays? worth a shot?
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Jun 2021 23:24 Post subject: |
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zmed
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Jul 2021 11:01 Post subject: |
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So a bit of a mini review after playing the latest version's isodemo.
The good:
- Nice art direction and lighting, but...[to be continued]
- The music is pretty nice.
- Voice acting is well done.
- Some hints at potentially good game mechanics (like connecting buildings).
The meh:
- [continued from before]...but a bit inconsistent. Tries to be voxel-art but it's only apparent when zoomed in real close. In the normal view it's not all that obvious what it's trying to do, unless you lean in real close and strain your eyes.
The bad:
- The previously mentioned thing about larger devices not giving any reason to use them. They cost more and take up more space than their smaller counterparts for the exact same input-output. Maybe they are more durable in ships, but in regular buildings they are completely pointless.
- Said devices go obsolete real fast. Instead of cramming a bunch of power generators inside a factory building, power can be generated way more efficiently with dedicated power plants. Same for harvesting methane, storage, batteries, fuel tanks, population housing, workplaces, etc. All have a small device that does the job inside factories, and an unlockable dedicated building. Once you can move these functions out of the factory floor, playing device-tetris inside buildings is only necessary for refining resources.
- Speaking of refining resources. Ok, I might be wrong on this one...but...does the game really require one T1 material to turn it into a T2 material? And a single T2 material to turn it into a T3 one? If that is the case, why would anyone use anything other than the best materials? By default the game min-maxes the materials used automatically, wasting unrefined materials to fill in the gaps the refined ones leave in "construction points".
- Combat is meh. No special abilities you could build into your designs, no strategic placement of weapons for broadsides. Just put weapon on ship, right click to attack, watch health bars go down as they stand still and occasionally fire at each other. Not exactly riveting stuff.
There are small hints at a great game that is bogged down by baffling balance decisions. I guess I'll keep an eye out for the final release, but right now it's not for me.
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dethy
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Jul 2021 20:56 Post subject: |
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Thanks for mini review. Sounds like the biggest issue is some balancing around structures/resources which shouldn't be too bad for the devs to work out or at least maybe mods to fix it up.
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