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I bought a new GPU to play Morrowind, the water reflections never looked better 
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Nov 2019 19:40 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | there is nothing romantic about the death of modding and gamers turned into revenue streams, we have seen , experienced and wicknessed the decline of the golden years of gaming on the front row seat and those days are never coming back and that knowledge hurts
The doom and quake engine inspired and modding peepz and mappers blew us away what they did with it, crysis engine made us dream and hope, and then it all went to shit, everything nowadays just makes us cringe ... we know what is possible and yet it will probably never see the light of day because most of the industry has been replaced with yes men and egirlz people who have no clue what they are doing or reinventing the wheel, and turning it into a rent a flashy rbg 30 inch rimms that when u stop paying, they rip from ur car |
Also the promise for an advanced and clever AI when F.E.A.R. was released. Now nobody cares and it's all basic commands.
Anyway I would never want to go back to the "good old days" of walking 2-3 km to Pesho the Pirate to buy from him a CD/s written with a black marker with the name of the game. It was tedious and annoying. And with the miserable wages here I could never buy an original game as a teenager. Or waiting for 2 hours to download a 5 mb song while having the home phone turned off. Sure it was a charming experience and I can say I lived during those dark times but wanting to go back? No way! If you want to relive that, limit your download speed and tell a friend to download you the isodemo the game you want and write it on DVD's. Then go to him and pay him. Be sure to never buy a game online and stop paying all those subscriptions. Tho I would love to go back to playing in a club with friends and shouting to each other how we suck. Making a lan party at home takes too much time.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Nov 2019 20:06 Post subject: |
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I agree.
Back decades ago I would get a game, play it a LOT and enjoy it. I dont know how many hundreds of hours I wasted on just one game at a time.
But I do think some of it was the knowledge your game library was limited, so better learn to enjoy this game. Not all of them passed the mark of course, but you did give them more than their fair chance to not disappoint you, even if you had to lie to yourself a little bit to get there. Nothing more depressing than knowing you got one new game, and you didn't like it...you'd try to force yourself to.
Mix that with most everything was new, and fresh, and not a rehash, at least to you, of some game style/mechanic/type. A lot of mediocre games I gave a huge boost to in my own mind because it was like something I never played before.
A great example for me was Black & White. Looking back it was an OK game..but for me it was "Wow I never played anything even like this, I dont know how to describe a genre it fits in." Not that it didn't have one, just I didn't know it existed..so the game seem revolutionary to me..
Now 35+ years later of gaming. I've played it all, or at least a close copy of pretty much any idea a game can have as basic concept...Everything needs to reach a REALLY high bar to not be mundane, or rehash, and grab my interest.
So I think, at least to me, Its the combination of:
Being young, limited selection, and being forced to really invest time into a game (because what else am I going to do? Play the other game I just put 200 hours in..again?)
Mixed with back then every new exposure to a genre, or play style was new and fresh, and unknown..vs now where its "Oh so its like X,Y and Z game...meh burned out on those types".
I still game, a LOT. 30+ hours a week I'd say. its my 'sole' hobby. But the vast selection, mixed with my desensitized view on it with nothing being "A new unexplored universe of game style like I never had before" causes me to bounce between a handful of games I still feel are worth the effort...and that's the crux of it. It has to be worth my effort now, back then a new game made me not even need effort to want to try.
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briangw
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Nov 2019 20:15 Post subject: |
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@DXWarlock, you hit the nail on the head.
The other thing I forgot of was the "wow" experiences for different genres. NES Platformers and other types of games on systems like the Commodore 64 were addicting. But then, when we played these new things like Dune/C&C, Age of Empires, Interstate 76, Doom, Diablo, almost every Bullfrog game....they were new genres to us and awesome at the time.
Now it just becomes over-saturated. Idk, I like the new games that are out and some I play to finish but a lot of them.....just seems stale. I really don't know how to explain it. I think I found my niche in strategy games and sports games.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Nov 2019 21:31 Post subject: |
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| PredOborG wrote: |
Also the promise for an advanced and clever AI when F.E.A.R. was released. Now nobody cares and it's all basic commands.
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I honestly bilieve AI actually went backwards , never progressed past the level of games like halflife soldier grunts and black and white
ai is so horrible in total war games and civilization, its mindnumbing, like beating a 3 year old just pressing buttons
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Nov 2019 12:13 Post subject: |
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I think what's also missing now is fresh mechanics. Back then games tried new, different things all the time; starting a playthrough of a new game you never knew what you would get. To this day the first Tomb Raider stll stands out to me, mainly because you felt so lost and foreign in this empty, dangerous world. You only met creatures, and those very rarerly, humans really only in cutscenes or as bosses.
The complaint about modding scenes goes in the same direction, games have become so technically complex and such financial endeavors that providing modding tools is not in the interest of the publisher, or modding is just too much work. The last game that created a insane modding community was Minecraft, and that probably because it was in its core rather simple developed by one dude, with cheap, easy to make assets.
What I really miss are new mechanics, with every new AAA game I mostly know what's coming, those are so dumbed down, safe, by the numbers games... ugh. Disco Elysium was a insanely fresh breath of air, while playing it I really noticed what I missed the past years. Just new exicting systems where the game is an actual labor of love and work of art by the creators, not a soulless money machine designed by corporate commitees.
Here's to hoping for Cyberpunk 2077 
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Nov 2019 16:28 Post subject: |
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Subscriptions I get the idea behind, and agree with them where maintance costs needs to be accounted for on the dev/host side. But 'season passes' I don't ..maybe its because I never did one.
Why would I want to pay you now, in a reoccurring lump sum for DLC that isn't even announced, speculated on, or I even know if I will want? I personally think its idiotic to throw money at a dev for content that even isn't started yet.
its like a pre-order, FOR a per-order..
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Nov 2019 16:50 Post subject: |
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Dunno if it's from watching trailers, reading forums or videogame sites but IMO one of the problems I keep seeing is people getting their expectations high constantly nowadays. For two of the last current year games I've played (outer worlds and surge 2) my expectations were pretty much non existing so they ended up being fairly enjoyable.
I'm sort on the same boat for cyberpunk 2077, but reading the thread makes me think some people will (again) be disappointed.
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