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prudislav
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| djaoni wrote: | | If Arya can teleport past NKs entire army, including his White Walkers |
what??? why would she need to teleport? he just went alone with the WWs through the broken wall , She went through library ... so based on the maps online she went through opposite direction to the garden , no need to teleport
| Sin317 wrote: | | oh, that being said, anyone else thinks she acted way out of characters in that "hide from the Wights" scene? She was all nervous and skittish ... didn't look like Assassin Arya at all to me but like a small frightened child. |
not really tbh , based on the talk with Gendry , she never met the wanking dad before and mostly fought with humans , this was new experience |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 15:29 Post subject: |
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That was my prediction from before s8 ep3 of who might win in the end. OK, none of the main characters died but still, this is the couple that I predict will rule.
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 15:44 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: |
That was my prediction from before s8 ep3 of who might win in the end. OK, none of the main characters died but still, this is the couple that I predict will rule. |
I think this is plausible too. Would be surprising and somehow there must be a reason they are keeping him alive?
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 16:26 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | | It's amazing how far people are willing to go to justify the shitty writing. |
Are u complaining for the sake of complaining?
Nobody here so far claimed the episode was perfect and there were indeed issues with the writing..
 Spoiler: | However there were things, idea that were actually good like the undead dragon fight theon self sacrifice and more. |
"Fuck Denuvo"
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 16:28 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | madmax17 wrote: | "What do we say to the God of Death?" "Not today."
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Posted this picture on the 25'th   
I believe she's holding the valeryian dagger. |
| Nodrim wrote: | | You don't seem to get the sarcasm that was used or war tactics. Cavalry wasn't pointless, it was made useless by the showrunners in what was one of the worst writing moments. Let's start with the fact that they are not even prepared for this battle. None of the dothraki wear obsidian/dragonglass weapons. If Melisandre didn't show up out of nowhere, they would have knowingly kept a useless army on the field of battle. Then comes the charge which is the most moronic thing ever as light cavalry is not meant to charge straight into the enemy. They went into the dark with no knowledge of the enemy forces and no capabilities of fighting them. A pincer movement is what they should have done, after the dead started their assault. |
Holy crap, completely missed that. All that gathering dragonglass and forging it into weapons and then instead of equipping at least some of your highly mobile and experienced cavalry with it the "strategists" behind this defense just went "hmmmmmm nah, let them use their regular swords" 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 16:29 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | | It's amazing how far people are willing to go to justify the shitty writing. |
It was piss poor writing.
All that mythology, all the "Winter is coming" for 8 seasons. For what? For a Deus Ex Machina! Ha, gotcha moment!
I don't give a fuck, that it's a little girl, who caps the big baddie, but come on! 8 seasons for a 2 second resolution.
And don't tell me she trained years for this. The issue is no that.
The issue is twofold: who the fuck is the Night King, and what does he want? They pulled a fuckin Snoke on us. And the second issue is, where does GOT go from here? Back to the conflict with Cersei? That's much lower stakes than this.
The buildup was enormous, and the payoff was shit.
Also, all major characters survived. No balls on these writers. Most major characters were proper fucked this time around, and yet, thanks to 2 unexpected seconds, poof, baddies gone, day won!
So we're back to who will sit on the throne, where we have been in seasons past, only now we have strictly black/white characters, no more nuances (that disappeared, when the books no longer provided the source).
Boring.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 16:39 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | Uhm, no. Bran has stated himself that he can only see the past and present, but not the future.
All these are just justifications for bad writing. |
He may have said that. But that did not stop him from seeing flashes of future events (sept of Baelor destruction) during his visions in season 6. Also, while there was definitely a measure of WTF writing in this episode, I don't believe this was one of them as it would be down right ridiculous to let only Theon and a few men guard Bran, knowing that he was NK's sole target. Of course Bran knew something.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 16:45 Post subject: |
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JackQ
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 16:49 Post subject: |
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Look on the bright side, whenever sixth book will be finally out you could still have the real ending the series would supposed have....
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 16:54 Post subject: |
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| StEFaN7 wrote: | | Il_Padrino wrote: |
Have the Dothraki hide on the south side of Winterfell, and let them come around attacking from both sides and the rear when the dead started charging the castle.
At least some tactic, I mean we had last week's episode as preparation for this battle didn't we 
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sure, because the night king wasnt up in the air with the dragon seeing everything
| Aquma wrote: | | It's amazing how far people are willing to go to justify the shitty writing. |
i aint justify anything but many people go out of their way to bash everything
even in first seasons hardcore fans bashed the hell out of it, nitpicking every little shit, i aint saying the writing now is good but is far from bad like people say, the show changed very much from first season and for what it became now i accepted it, its same with lotr vs the hobbit trilogy.
people will always complain no matter what
even grrm said the book ending will have some similarity with the show, the diffrences will mostly be the faith of some side characters, so i doubt key moments will be any different |
Look, I understand they had to lose. But at least make it seem like they made an effort 
The whole thing with the NK summoning the snow storm to put out the dragon fire was cool. So why not:
1. Have Daenerys & Jon light up the night with their dragons, so the human army could actually see what was coming.
2. Let the Dothraki advance and be somewhat initially successful, under the cover of catapults and dragon fire.
3. THEN let the NK summon the snowstorm, hiding the Dothraki from sight of the dragons and onlookers at Winterfell and let those little flaming swords go out one by one.
Literally every suggestion I've read online so far is better than what the show gave us 
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 16:57 Post subject: |
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Damn Greyojs will have sex with anyone something in their blood.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 17:44 Post subject: |
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Why is it always with the Borg philosophy, kill the leader and the whole enemy army crumbles.
Like LOTR, our heroes are getting overwhelmed fighting bravely, then Sauron is destroyed in the volcano and that's it, their army scatters like the wind.
If you're that invincible then all you have to do is protect the leader and you're gold for a 1000 years, like putting a 100 guards to guard the bloody volcano entrance
The NK could have sent someone else to kill Bran or protect his back better.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 17:45 Post subject: |
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The lord of the rings battles were so GOOOOODD 
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 18:50 Post subject: |
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The thing here, in LOTRO the heroes in present timeline | Spoiler: | almost always win the battles, including the last one even though it was thanks to Gollum "nice job fixing it villain" twist |
, which was actually nice twist.
In game of thrones, in this case of "epic battles" at least it clear the "bad guys" has advantage from start to finish... | Spoiler: | Thanks only to the night king being caught off guard the our heroes saved in this case.... |
plot armor? yea.. | Spoiler: | but I don't actually hate the why they "won" though, I just think it could be done better...
I just don't want Cersei to die by Arya, IMO her revenge story needs to be over already. |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 19:43 Post subject: |
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Imho the whole idea of defending an isolated, rather small castle like Winterfell was absurd IMHO.
Would make a lot more sense defending against a horde of undead where nature is on your side, like a river. A river ill stop those undead for sure, worst case they just get washed out into the sea and rot at the bottom lol.
Defending that shit castle against a million zombies... why?
Build at least some rampants followed by motes and another rampant etc. and spike them, not that 1-meter wide "gap" BEHIND your troops...
Nothing they did make sense. Nada.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 19:58 Post subject: |
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https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/4/30/18522955/game-of-thrones-season-8-battle-winterfell-military
Game of Thrones’ Battle of Winterfell: 2 military experts explain Jon and Dany’s sloppy plan
It wasn’t as bad as you think. It was worse.
Actually, that’s not true. “The Long Night” was a great episode, but I’m not the only one pointing out that the military strategy and tactics on offer — especially by the Army of the Living — were pretty awful. The opening Dothraki charge was ill-advised at best. There seemed to be few defenses on the walls of Winterfell. And why didn’t Jon or Dany use their dragons to burn more giants and White Walkers?
To find out, I called two military experts: Ryan Grauer, an associate professor of international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh, and Mick Cook, an Australian combat veteran who fought in Afghanistan. Together, they agreed that Jon and Dany’s military tactics were wanting — and in some cases downright horrible.
The way you prepare for a siege is you don’t march your forces out into the middle of the open to fight a numerically superior enemy. You let the enemy invest in trying to beat your defenses, and the defenses were all back to front from my point of view. Having the cavalry out in the front, then their infantry, then their defenses behind their whole force, it seemed like they decided to plan backwards, and it didn’t really pay off for them.
The catapults serve to drop explosives right in front of your own forces as they attack the enemy. You try and put them only one-third of the distance behind your lead forces so that they can keep engaging the enemy while your forces are closing in on the enemy. But, to do that, the catapults still need to be protected, so they need to be behind your front lines.
You need your infantry or your cavalry at least in front of your fire assets. Also, with your close air support, like your dragon, you want to use that at the point that’s going to be most valuable to your ground forces, so that your ground forces can take advantage of any destruction that the dragons, in this case, would cause.
With light cavalry, like the Dothraki, their job is to go in real quick, cause damage, and come back — to exhaust the enemy. That’s probably not going to work with the Army of the Dead. Usually, light cavalry will sit out on the wings so they can move quickly without being inhibited by things like the infantry that will advance more slowly, that will get into a thick melee, and generally be a slow, harder slog of a battle.
I’d have had the trench pushed further out, then I’d have had all of the infantry behind the trench, and then you have the catapults behind the infantry, so that as the dead come, they meet that barrier at the beginning. We saw in the episode that it took them a while to figure out what to do about that, until the Night King saw the problem and directed his forces how to overcome it.
But in that time while they’re held up, you can employ your dragons and start laying waste to the Army of the Dead without worrying about your forces being mixed in with them. And then, when they start to break over that trench barrier, they run into your infantry, and your infantry is fresh because they’re just standing there waiting for the Dead to get over that obstacle.
All the while the Living should be using the catapult behind the infantry to lob flaming stones and whatnot into the ranks of the Dead as the Dothraki cavalry swoop in from the sides and pick away at the edges.
I would love to tell you, because I love a good argument. The way they filmed it was cool, but if the Dothraki were heavy cavalry in armored war horses like knights, and they had that hard-hitting shock power, then it’d make some sense.
But the Dothraki are a lighter, mobile cavalry, so charging them toward the middle of the Night King’s troops is not how you should use them. You’d use them on the wings.
So, I’ve got to agree with you: There’s not really a tactical reason for why you would use light cavalry to charge straight into a numerically superior force of infantry that really can absorb the momentum of the charge.
I’m persuaded by the argument that dragons function largely as close air support. If we think about how they performed on the battlefield in that role, they didn’t make or break this battle.
And so, especially when you’re fighting an adversary that has effectively unlimited bodies to throw at you, it’s not clear that burning up some reanimated fighters just so others can take their place is a good use of that particular resource, especially if you believe that dragonfire could destroy the White Walkers, and perhaps the Night King himself.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Apr 2019 21:01 Post subject: |
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| cyclonefr wrote: | | VGAdeadcafe wrote: |
That was my prediction from before s8 ep3 of who might win in the end. OK, none of the main characters died but still, this is the couple that I predict will rule. |
I think this is plausible too. Would be surprising and somehow there must be a reason they are keeping him alive? |
This pretty much...
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| Posted: Wed, 1st May 2019 13:26 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: |
That was my prediction from before s8 ep3 of who might win in the end. OK, none of the main characters died but still, this is the couple that I predict will rule. |
Think you're right !
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| Posted: Wed, 1st May 2019 18:36 Post subject: |
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| TheZor wrote: | | VGAdeadcafe wrote: |
That was my prediction from before s8 ep3 of who might win in the end. OK, none of the main characters died but still, this is the couple that I predict will rule. |
Think you're right ! |
i have another feeling
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Euron will kill his wife Cersei and he is a Winner of the Game of Thrones
Dothraki - done
Unsullied - done
Stark army - done
Night Watch - done
iron fleet - done
lannister Family - only 3 Person
Danaerys - 1 or 2 Dragons ( not sure that 2 Dragons survived )
and Euron have a golden Company ( one of the largest )
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| Posted: Wed, 1st May 2019 19:39 Post subject: |
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You lot didn't understand their plan
1) It was established in the previous episode that the living wouldn't have any chance against the army of the dead regardless of any tactics used. None whatsoever. Even with the 2 dragons at their side.
2) They literally sacrificed all their army to make NK feel safe enough to go in and kill Bran.
It had to look real enough for the NK to buy it, otherwise, it wouldn't have worked.
Some things didn't go according to plan though obviously. lol.
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