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LeoNatan
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I don't feel safe asking or talking about this anywhere else but on the Hump 
So in the last year, I have become more active on twatter, and the niche I follow are people from my profession in my field of work. Since it's mostly twat's from silicon valley, it's mostly regressive morons with "he/him" "she/her" "xer/xerox" type nonsense in the profile description.
Also a lot of trans it seems. And from what I can see, trans are predominately male->female variety, not the other way around. Now, in personal life, I have to admit I do not know any trans people. Gay, yes, many, but not trans. It has always seemed bizarre to me "not to feel like yourself" or whatever, but eh, whatever make people happy.
I just wonder whether the male->female converts being predominate is just a consequence of the environment I follow, or in general in the trans public. Or maybe the male->females are just much more vocal about it? Or maybe it has a lot to do with cultural environment, and maybe it has to do with how these people were brought up or how they felt in their own environment as adults before deciding to "snip".
I realize a lot of people here are from the shit side of Europe and so have probably not met any trans. Like I said, I live in the shit side of Asia, so I haven't met any either, but I know there is a community of trans here in Israel (again, mostly male->female).
The problem with these kinds of thoughts/wonders is that they are "nazi", "racist", "patriarchy", etc. There is not one place where I can coherently read up on statistics, actual in-depth study of the sudden trans explosion in the last few decades.
WDYT?
(This is semi serious, so please don't turn this into Void shit. Just 1am musings of a tired brain)
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Mar 2019 23:51 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 10:16 Post subject: |
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Yes CounterPoints is a great channel overall, dealing not only with trans issues, but also racism, PC culture, diversity politics and other modern trends/viewpoints.
EDIT: Eh, it's actually called ContraPoints, I repeated Athanasios' error there.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 13:00 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 13:13 Post subject: |
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So what's the scientific/biological answer then as to why there appear to be more mtf than ftm? Greater variance of genetic expression in males and females more likely to hold on to their privileges?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 13:44 Post subject: |
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | | So what's the scientific/biological answer then as to why there appear to be more mtf than ftm? Greater variance of genetic expression in males and females more likely to hold on to their privileges? |
Yes, that’s exactly what I am looking for.
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Nalo
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 13:59 Post subject: |
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in our society woman are portayed as objects of desire, beauty, happyness, some lonely and/or depressed people will do anything to be desired and feel wanted, i think plays a big role into this.
Based on that I think its mostly a mental health issue, allegidly the suicide rates stay the same before and after transformation still staying in the insane high double digits leaving the question open if the transformation did anything at all to aid them long term besides filling docters (plastic churgeons) and shrinks pockets , took all their last pennies, and removed their chance of finding a decent job afterwards.
because if it was really so widely spread , then u are totally right that there should be an even amount of male and females be born in the wrong gender, and i do agree its very possible something went wrong in the complex things that is the creation of a human body and brain is, but so many and so out of proportion , statisticly very doubtfull . or maybe the females affected are not visible or as outspoken, either way, tolerance and kindness is the way to go.
BUT i totally can understand woman would feel offended with the toilet situation , especialy moms with kids and its up to the trans to be as less of an inconvenince as possible and not be touting about how they can use the toilet whenever the fuck they want, both sides need to show respect. so these situations need to be avoided, not actively sought.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 14:32 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | in our society woman are portayed as objects of desire, beauty, happyness, lonely depressed people will do anything to be desired and feel wanted, i think plays a big role into this.
Based on that I think its mostly a mental health issue, allegidly the suicide rates stay the same before and after transformation still staying in the insame high double digits leaving the question open if the transformation did anything at all to aid them long term besides filling docters (plastic churgeons) and shrinks pockets.
because if it was really so widely spread , then u are totally right that there should be an even amount of male and females be born in the right gender, and i do agree its very possible something went wrong in the complex things that a human body is, but so many and so out of proportion , statisticly very doubtfull . or maybe the females affected are not visible or as outspoken, either way, tolerance and kindness is the way to go. |
I believe this to be the case, at least partially, but anything on this subject (which sounds fascinating) has become taboo and you are "toxic" even for suggesting or exploring such ideas.
It does make a lot of sense that people, in their search to belong to something, could convince themselves that this is right for them. This may also not be the only reason why transgender exists, but it seems to me like large numbers are indeed more about lack of belonging than biological anomaly.
Another aspect that may throw a stick in the wheels of all these arguments, is that for some reason female to male converts stick out a lot less culturally than male to female. Feminine men are a lot more accepted and so don't stick to the eye; someone could be a female to male and you could really not know (many men have "feminine" voices (not sure what the exact term is, basically lack of bass), many men have faces that have less pronounced male lines. On the other hand, male to female fucking stick out. You always know it's basically a man playing dress up. Even with all the hormonal treatments, the voice remains manly, the facial features remain, the physical differences just cannot be hidden. It could all be cultural, for sure, but right now it seems a lot more obvious when watching male to female.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 15:53 Post subject: |
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I think trans is disgusting. No particular reason for why, i've just never liked them.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 16:42 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | @Stormwolf
I think people who like Chicago-style pizza disgusting. No particular reason for why, i've just never liked them.
But unlike trannies, those people don't get unnecessarily marginalized and discriminated against in our society for no obvious reason.
Which ... you should be able to level your "actions" on par with the amount of "reasons" you can give why not/against it.
If you can't do that and you're regressing towards discrimination and harrassment, then your actions don't legitimate the amount of justification you can give for it, it's the equivalent of
not being able to provide a "meassured response".
EDIT: which I'm not saying you DO that, I just took what you said as an example for what other people may do. |
Then i guess i'm simply discriminating against them. They're unnatural and disgusting. Its pretty simple. I dont change with the times so easily, dunno if i'ts a bad thing.
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Nalo
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 17:05 Post subject: |
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Have you ever discussed anything on the internet before? Can you count how many times you've been able to persuade someone by starting an argument from opinions?
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 17:09 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | | @Stormwolf what is natural? |
Naturally born and unmodified males and females. Was this a trick question?
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 17:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 17:44 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | Nalo wrote: | | @Stormwolf what is natural? |
Naturally born and unmodified males and females. Was this a trick question? |
Are our societies natural to you ?
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Nalo
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 18:57 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | | Stormwolf wrote: | | Nalo wrote: | | @Stormwolf what is natural? |
Naturally born and unmodified males and females. Was this a trick question? |
Unmodified... I take it tattoos disgust you. Or that person who had corrective laser surgery to modify his poor vision - disgusting pig! Naturally born.. I take it c-section babies disgust you. |
And this my friends is why no one ever agrees on anything and peoples opinions grow ever more extreme in opposite directions. You knew full well what i meant.
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Nalo
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 19:20 Post subject: |
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You understand now why it's so hard to talk about these subjects seriously, when you have retards like "Stormwolf" being lumped on the same side as you. 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Mar 2019 19:21 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | | Stormwolf wrote: | | Nalo wrote: |
Unmodified... I take it tattoos disgust you. Or that person who had corrective laser surgery to modify his poor vision - disgusting pig! Naturally born.. I take it c-section babies disgust you. |
And this my friends is why no one ever agrees on anything and peoples opinions grow ever more extreme in opposite directions. You knew full well what i meant. |
No, I really didn't. How could I know what you meant, when you don't even know what you meant? Pax has nailed it (normative expectations). Ontology is the basis for epistemological beliefs. You seemed so confident in your knowledge of the natural. My question was a hint to you that you haven't explored the foundation of your beliefs. You say nature, but what is that to you but a vague presupposition?
I'm not trying to change your mind either. |
Don't forget fake tits, which he likes very much.
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