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| scaramonga wrote: | | CaptnNemo wrote: |
So I agree, calling people a fucking joke for buying this is utterly nonsense and smells the #1 reason as stated above.
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Nothing to do with money, on my end anyway, I can well afford it, hell I could buy 5 of the fuckers, so no jealousy involved I'm afraid 
It's 'principal'.
Overpriced nonsense, fueled by marketing bullshit, that I refuse to buy into.
The same overpriced nonsense, fueled by marketing bullshit category that the 9900K falls into, that of which I refuse to buy into either  |
Good opinion, that Radeon VII is for sale here $210 usd more than US.. erm no fuck your card, at 1080p what game is this worth buying that for.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 12:38 Post subject: |
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Hmm, I was hoping to keep the CPU for few more years. Is the bottleneck really bad? Don't care above 60fps.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 13:20 Post subject: |
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Well, it's "beginning" to be a bottleneck depending on the game. The two latest iterations of Assassin's Creed (Origins and Odyssey) use enormous amounts of CPU apparently if I remember correctly. It's mainly modern Triple-A games that will be bottle necked by a Sandy Bridge 4c/8t since the IPC and caches are so many generations older than current tech (I recently upgraded my system from an Ivy Bridge 3570K @ 4.5GHz to an i5-8400 6c/6t CPU that maxes out at 3.9GHz with all 6 cores and 4GHz on a single core load but it's much much faster than my old 4.5GHz CPU even though I have a "budget CPU" (it's actually been named the price/performance winner of the 8K-series and so on.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-core-i5-8400-review-benchmarks
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It's finally time to ditch that old i5-2500K. |
I actually got it because I was strapped for cash and planned on getting an 8600K or 8700K as soon as possible but I simply don't feel the need to upgrade at the moment.
The i5-8400 can be had for sub-$200 and unless you plan on future upgrade of CPU you could go for a cheaper chipset-based motherboard instead of Z370/Z390 (I have a Z370, it was the only chipset available at the time but I planned to upgrade the CPU to an overclockable one later on); Z390, Z370, H370, B360, H310
So you can get a new motherboard and CPU cheap that is very viable as a gaming system today. When it comes to RAM, that's where the expenses lie since you have to buy new RAM (DDR4 with at least 2666MHz grade) which is expensive even though I've heard that RAM prices are/should be going down a bit.
For future proofing I'd still choose a Z370 or Z390 (they're essentially the same with the Z390 having built-in WiFi and Intel has promised to deliver BIOS-updates to allow 128GB of RAM instead of 64GB). Some older charts show Z390 having USB 3.1 while Z370 doesn't but I have USB 3.1. Not sure if that's third party on my ASUS ROG STRIX-board. I don't see it as important.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 23:12 Post subject: |
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I think upgrading CPU today to 6core might be a waste of money 12c/16c are just around the corner and new consoles should be 8c/16t within next 2 years...
So I would stick with your 2600k for another year or two. I know I'm sticking with mine 4670k.
For graphics card well its personal question about resolution, target fps ect. I was close to changing my 970 to 1070ti, but delatyed that. Currently I imight take 2060, but I will also wait for new consoles to arrive, then I will probably upgrade whole platform.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 23:21 Post subject: |
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Yes, the new consoles will likely cause a bump in CPU requirements
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 23:57 Post subject: |
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| Lukxxx wrote: | I think upgrading CPU today to 6core might be a waste of money 12c/16c are just around the corner and new consoles should be 8c/16t within next 2 years...
So I would stick with your 2600k for another year or two. I know I'm sticking with mine 4670k.
For graphics card well its personal question about resolution, target fps ect. I was close to changing my 970 to 1070ti, but delatyed that. Currently I imight take 2060, but I will also wait for new consoles to arrive, then I will probably upgrade whole platform. |
There are already many-core CPU's, they just happen to be very pricey and mainly used in workstations.
My example and experience is a pure price/performance-winner. It's not the fastest CPU out there and it doesn't have hyper threading but for current gaming it's more than enough and will most likely last me another year before I get the itch to get a 9K CPU (if Intel come to their senses regarding pricing).
12c/16c won't really help much for quite a while (years) and the CPU's in the consoles won't run at PC master race frequencies for various reasons.
In the end it all depends on how much you're willing to spend on a new motherboard, new RAM and new CPU (and possibly new CPU-cooler depending on which CPU you choose). If you've got deep pockets, go for the pricey stuff. If you want to keep a certain budget but not skip on quality, get a good Z370/Z390 motherboard, an i5-8400 and 16GB of DDR4 2666/3000/3200 RAM and you're set for upgrading to 8700K or even 9900K if you feel like it in the future.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2019 08:18 Post subject: |
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I think Zen 2 will deliver nice price/performance from 4/8 up to 10/20 at least and for any budget.
Thats only a few month in.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2019 13:04 Post subject: |
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Yeah, AMD may very well be a better choice once they've actually released their Ryzen 3-series. If I remember correctly it will be the first platform to use PCI-Express 4.0. I guess waiting until July/August before making any decision is the way to go.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 08:42 Post subject: |
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So i got my rtx 2080ti today, any good stuff worth checking out eith rtx yet? Demos/games whatever?
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 08:47 Post subject: |
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BFV - Raytraced reflections
Metro: Exodus - raytraced shadows
And a Quake 2 mod.
https://hothardware.com/news/quake-2-with-full-ray-tracing-q2vkpt
edit: Oh and Futuremark released a "benchmark"/demo called Port Royale for DXR enabled gpus.
Thats pretty much it. 6 month after "It just works".
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 17:52 Post subject: |
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I found a vega 56 for 250 quid is it a good deal at that price?
well ive ordered it got to be better than my gimped 1060 3gb card. is an msi blower reference type card so I might be able to flash it with the vega 64 firmware.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 18:30 Post subject: |
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| dangerouseddy wrote: | I found a vega 56 for 250 quid is it a good deal at that price?
well ive ordered it got to be better than my gimped 1060 3gb card. is an msi blower reference type card so I might be able to flash it with the vega 64 firmware. |
Not a bad price, especially since you can sell the games that should be bundled with it, think you get three new games. Maybe you can eventually get a Morpheus 2 cooler further down the line to replace the fanshroud.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 18:36 Post subject: |
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thanks might look into a better cooler after ive had it a while.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 19:05 Post subject: |
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I would get 2060 if FE was in stock... the nonreference models are much more expensive. Only 1 fan models are the same price as FE.
Should be about 40/50% upgrade over 1060 6gb
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 20:03 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | I would get 2060 if FE was in stock... the nonreference models are much more expensive. Only 1 fan models are the same price as FE.
Should be about 40/50% upgrade over 1060 6gb |
Save the money and get new CPU/MOBO/RAM, this is the real upgrade.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 20:13 Post subject: |
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With third gen Ryzen allegedly launching in July it would be stupid to get a CPU upgrade right now
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 21:06 Post subject: |
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+- 1070 Performance. Turing bonus in DX12 benchmarks. Only 6GB VRAM. 1070/Vega56 on a sale is just as good or better.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 21:08 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | KillerCrocker wrote: | I would get 2060 if FE was in stock... the nonreference models are much more expensive. Only 1 fan models are the same price as FE.
Should be about 40/50% upgrade over 1060 6gb |
Save the money and get new CPU/MOBO/RAM, this is the real upgrade. |
I need it. but It's hard to decide intel vs ryen. Both have kinda the same performance in games. Budget ryzen 2600 have identical ingame performance as best intels for what I can see.
On the other hand, best to get something good just as I've lucked out with 2500k in 2011. I have it for so long and it's still ok.
In fact - I get ok fps in Metro exodus (35--sometimes 60) on ultra 1440p with 1060. It's playable with freesync no problem but it's stuttering a LOT. I've had my friend's 2070 here for a day to test it out and it was stuttering just the same.
And that was installed on an SSD. So I guess something else is limiting me.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 21:16 Post subject: |
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Since you have struggled till now with your 2500K, might aswell wait Zen 2 CPU´s, since they are coming very soon, but anyway, even first gen Ryzen 1700X or so, would be insane upgrade over ancient 4 core CPU, that is really your biggest bottleneck currently and i would not personally buy anything less than 8 core / 16 thread CPU in 2019.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 21:41 Post subject: |
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If you got a huge back log I'd even say wait for the new consoles that will come out and buy something relevant to that (cores/mem) but just more powerful.
Adaptation of these RTX things isn't that hot so don't expect that much of a need for an upgrade anyway.
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but what i dont miss is the smell of my hardware after being on a lan for 2-3 days in the good old days. my room always smelled like a pub for a few days
