Call of Cthulhu
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xGAME007




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 13:19    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
I uninstalled this.. it's definitely a step down from Vampyr, which I just played.
What broke it for me was the skill system. It works as a dice roll, so entirely random and luck based. Even when you have 4/5 in a skill, you can still fail the skill check, and when that happens, the path will be blocked forever as the game immediately autosaves. So you can't retry lockpicking a door after increasing the skill, you have to restart the fucking game. Rolling Eyes
But it's a dice roll, so even replayability is pretty much based on fucking luck. Fuck that.


Woah! How the fuck did they thought that was a good idea?
There is no way to manually save? Only auto saves?


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C.MAC




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 13:20    Post subject:
But guuuuuyzzzz!!! Autosaving iz thee onlee way to go. Just imagine if you could savescum. It would completely remove the challenge and destroy ze imersions and most of all it would mean aknowledging that the player should be allowed to decide anything by themselves. Like when the correct time to save is. Which obviously can not be allowed!!!!

It's 2018 you PC gaming babies! grow up!!!....... or something... idk....
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 14:14    Post subject:
the problem is not autosave but the game being a technical mess, like very bad, and some bad mechanics. tried to lockpick a door in the second chapter, the lockpick broke couse i didnt had enough skill level, game autosaved and i couldnt lockpick that door again. same thing happens with some second objectives when youre given 2 of them and one gets stuck couse you try to do something that youre underleveled.

finished too and what saved it for me was the atmosphere and the story, the voiceover was good too.


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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 14:30    Post subject:
I didn't get along with the protagonist's voice. The same actor that voiced Jonathan Reid in Vampyr is doing the voice for Pierce and his performance is almost identical.
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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 16:23    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
Are you sure is a dice roll? I think is a fixed skill requirement.

Yeah, it's been confirmed on the Steam forum.

For example: locks don't have certain difficulty, such as 'easy', 'medium' or 'hard'. Instead, skills act like a percentage, to a total of 100%.
So having 2/5 in lockpicking, gives you 40% chance of success, for every lock in the game. So even with 4/5 (80%), you can still fail.

I'd be okay with this if I could at least savescum, or retry (as is possible every other RPG with dice rolls) but that's not possible either.
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 17:13    Post subject:
That's dumb indeed. But the gameplay is one of the game's weakest points.
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 18:20    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
I didn't get along with the protagonist's voice. The same actor that voiced Jonathan Reid in Vampyr is doing the voice for Pierce and his performance is almost identical.

Think of it as an alternate timeline then where the good doctor is a detective.



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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 18:37    Post subject:
This doesn't help. Laughing
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3E74




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Nov 2018 20:26    Post subject:
hmmm, i really wanna get into this game, but its hard..

As an Die hard Lovecraft Fan, who did read every single story from him im kinda let down from this game..

the first thing that destroys teh atmosphere for me is the way teh People talk, the words they use, that is NOT how the people talk in Lovecrafts books..
Its not old, classy enough..The way the people talk in this game is to modern, cant explain it better i think you know what i mean.. At least the ones actually reading his books..

i played for 2 hours now, so theres still hope..
Also, theres "The sunken City" also an upcoming lovecraftian Game...

But for now, i really digged "Conarium" more then this game...Conarium was way closer to the Lovecraft feeling of his books and the visuals of the artefacts and everything was really nice..When i played conarium for the first time, i was like, damn, these dev“s really know Lovecraft and his visions..The art looked exactly like i thought it would from reading the books..So the devs really went out of theyr way to get this right, wich they did..The game was kinda based on the "Mountains of Madness" wich is one of teh best stories form Lovecraft. I wish someone would make an awesome Movie out of the Mountains of Madness..But probally they would kill it, like they did with Stephen Kings "The Dark Tower"..

Ahh, i love Lovecraft...

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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh CTHULHU R'lyeh wgah'nagl FHTAGN!



edit:

ok,later on teh GAME gets better and better...really liking it right now..the Lovecraft feeling is there Smile


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consolitis
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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 17:38    Post subject:
Just reached chapter 10 but unfortunately the more I play, the more I'm being disappointed by how low budget, amateurish, and incomprehensible (its dialog system design at least) the game is.

Sure, Amnesia didn't have as many (poorly animated) cutscenes, nor any characters to provide the extremely limited interaction with this game offers, but was able to deliver something of a much more consistent quality, 8 years ago.

Don't like this comparison? Fine. Then compare it to Dark Corners of the Earth. When that game was released in 2005 it was extremely outdated, because of how long it was stuck in development. Yet, its design and presentation is much more solid.

I like that I'm playing a Call of Cthulhu game, I can't say it's 100% disappointing. But it feels like it's worth $10 tops.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 17:56    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
Just reached chapter 10 but unfortunately the more I play, the more I'm being disappointed by how low budget, amateurish, and incomprehensible (its dialog system design at least) the game is.

Sure, Amnesia didn't have as many (poorly animated) cutscenes, nor any characters to provide the extremely limited interaction with this game offers, but was able to deliver something of a much more consistent quality, 8 years ago.

Don't like this comparison? Fine. Then compare it to Dark Corners of the Earth. When that game was released in 2005 it was extremely outdated, because of how long it was stuck in development. Yet, its design and presentation is much more solid.

I like that I'm playing a Call of Cthulhu game, I can't say it's 100% disappointing. But it feels like it's worth $10 tops.


yeah, towards the end you can't be bothered by finishing the story, it becomes so "they no longer care about the game" Sad
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 18:51    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:

Don't like this comparison? Fine. Then compare it to Dark Corners of the Earth. When that game was released in 2005 it was extremely outdated, because of how long it was stuck in development. Yet, its design and presentation is much more solid.


Much more solid in what way?
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 19:04    Post subject:
It had a consistency in its mechanics, presentation and world.

Here you don't know when choosing something will lock you to that choice, sometimes the characters refer to things that I probably missed with my choices leading to small gaps in the narrative, and the world seems to be comprised by "the asylum level", "the art gallery level", etc.

Then you have stuff like the video cutscenes using a much lower audio mix than the real time stuff, leading to another disconnect in its presentation.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 19:24    Post subject:
Some say this is better than the actual game...
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Cool Face


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Danyutz




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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 20:24    Post subject:
End of Chapter 3 here, I like it so far.
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3E74




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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 20:46    Post subject:


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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 21:11    Post subject:
Doesn't really have any replay value even tho there are different choices to be made. Other than that, the story is pretty interesting imo
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 21:15    Post subject:
I finished it and I didn't really understand how any of my choices shaped my ending. Wow, very poor.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 21:28    Post subject:
Danyutz wrote:
End of Chapter 3 here, I like it so far.


Yeah, it all starts to go shit around chapter 7-8.
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Sun, 4th Nov 2018 21:52    Post subject:
Ampee wrote:
Danyutz wrote:
End of Chapter 3 here, I like it so far.


Yeah, it all starts to go shit around chapter 7-8.


Sad


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Nov 2018 00:03    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
It had a consistency in its mechanics, presentation and world.

Here you don't know when choosing something will lock you to that choice, sometimes the characters refer to things that I probably missed with my choices leading to small gaps in the narrative, and the world seems to be comprised by "the asylum level", "the art gallery level", etc.

Then you have stuff like the video cutscenes using a much lower audio mix than the real time stuff, leading to another disconnect in its presentation.


Dark Corners of the Earth is not a c&c based game and it's far from having consistency. The game starts one way and ends in a completely other way.

I haven't encountered many dialogue problems unlike Vampyr, where it was quite a mess. But there were a few narrative strings that didn't quite tie up. That whole Cat thing didn't lead anywhere. However, the storytelling is a bit confusing by design to fit better with the whole going insane thing and it works out quite nicely. I haven't had the chance to replay the game yet and see how other choices affect the course of events. I can think of a few moments that could play out differently.

The production value is pretty bad indeed. The cutscenes are terrible, the visuals are extremely outdated, the animations are laughable (Cat's left eye goes into spasms every few seconds), etc. I'm not going to defend these or the fact that the game is overpriced, however, I didn't let these problems ruin my experience. The artistic direction is great, the story is enticing and the sound design has some qualities to it. These are enough to create a Cthulhu-esque atmosphere.
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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Nov 2018 10:13    Post subject:
HubU wrote:
Some say this is better than the actual game...
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Cool Face

To me it is, one of my favorite Metallica songs as well. Actually captures the Lovecraft vibes pretty well Smile

From what I read, a big impact for the endings are the 2 skills you can't level by spending points on (medicine and occultism), except in the beginning of the game.
(I think that sums up my complaints about this game, with its wonky skill and dialog system; you need prior knowledge of what's going to happen or what the impacts will be)


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Arukardo




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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Nov 2018 17:23    Post subject:
Here I was, kind of hyped, thinking that Call of Cthulhu was the most anticipating game this year and it looks like it's just an OK game Sad
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Nov 2018 20:22    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
consolitis wrote:
It had a consistency in its mechanics, presentation and world.

Here you don't know when choosing something will lock you to that choice, sometimes the characters refer to things that I probably missed with my choices leading to small gaps in the narrative, and the world seems to be comprised by "the asylum level", "the art gallery level", etc.

Then you have stuff like the video cutscenes using a much lower audio mix than the real time stuff, leading to another disconnect in its presentation.


Dark Corners of the Earth is not a c&c based game and it's far from having consistency. The game starts one way and ends in a completely other way.

I haven't encountered many dialogue problems unlike Vampyr, where it was quite a mess. But there were a few narrative strings that didn't quite tie up. That whole Cat thing didn't lead anywhere. However, the storytelling is a bit confusing by design to fit better with the whole going insane thing and it works out quite nicely. I haven't had the chance to replay the game yet and see how other choices affect the course of events. I can think of a few moments that could play out differently.

The production value is pretty bad indeed. The cutscenes are terrible, the visuals are extremely outdated, the animations are laughable (Cat's left eye goes into spasms every few seconds), etc. I'm not going to defend these or the fact that the game is overpriced, however, I didn't let these problems ruin my experience. The artistic direction is great, the story is enticing and the sound design has some qualities to it. These are enough to create a Cthulhu-esque atmosphere.


Of course Dark Corners of the Earth it is a Call of Cthulhu game, it is based on some of the most popular stories of the Mythos.
It does change to the point where you fight and kill the Gods, point taken. But I think this isn't as much of a problem for general audiences. (And I will take that over the "shooting" (if we can even call it that) in this game)

Regardless of comparisons. My opinion is this game is a waste of the license, and I'm not basing this solely on the poor technical side. It feels like the work of amateurs overall. Some good moments here and there but not enough to elevate the poor whole. 5/10


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Nov 2018 23:09    Post subject:
c&c = choices and consequences
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Nov 2018 23:12    Post subject:
OMG haha I kind of thought of it "Call of Cthulhu" somehow Sad


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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3E74




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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Nov 2018 23:48    Post subject:
i dont get it, did they name Cthulhu different in this game?
isnt he the dreamer, who the fuck is the leviathan?

this is confusing...


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Nov 2018 00:31    Post subject:
There's a few different ones but my understanding isn't the best either for the more complete mythos and lore H.P LoveCraft built up.
(Who names their kid the Love Craft anyway? Eh there's worse names.)

Dagon, Leviathan, Hydra and C...Big C. Razz
(Well Sleepy C more like being all dreaming or something.)

EDIT: And the Shoggoth and some other stuff.
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Nov 2018 00:35    Post subject:
3E74 wrote:
i dont get it, did they name Cthulhu different in this game?
isnt he the dreamer, who the fuck is the leviathan?

this is confusing...


Follow the story, I don't think you need to make any particular choices to find out who/what the Leviathan is.

JBeckman wrote:

EDIT: And the Shoggoth and some other stuff.


The Shoggoth isn't a singular being but rather a race. From what I remember, the Elder Things created them for labor. The Shoggoths turned on their masters and pretty much annihilated them.
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3E74




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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Nov 2018 06:38    Post subject:
i know, i know..im a lovecraft fan myself and are familiar with all his storys..
But in this game its just strange to "USE" the name leviathan instead of Cthulhu...

thats what i meant...


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