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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Sep 2018 16:10    Post subject:
why would u let competitors catch up ?

and its just that in the age of shareholders the customer is no longer put first, its the shareholder and thats just messy
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Sep 2018 19:17    Post subject:
Damn, it seems even the 2070 will have crazy prices here I hope this shit fails.
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Sep 2018 20:57    Post subject:
https://www.gputracker.eu/stock/gpu/NVIDIA_GTX_1080_TI


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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Sep 2018 21:11    Post subject:
I would buy 2080ti instantly if there would be something that would actually use RTX features, would be amazing for video editing, like AI driven noise reduction etc.. Seems that its not coming any time soon for adobe or blackmagic editing programs, bought another FE 1080Ti for SLI, got it for 450euros Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 03:00    Post subject:
Mine arriving soon Very Happy

(I had to get one, as I was scammed out of my 1080)

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Lukxxx




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 11:19    Post subject:
And here I am contemplating on moving from 970 to 1070ti...
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 15:32    Post subject:
Delivery and availability of the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti further delayed

In case you have been checking some pricewatch engines on RTX 2080 Ti availability, you'll be hardpressed to find a store with stock. The product that was released last week, would be shipped out to customers between September 20 and 27.

NVIDIA reports that pre-orders are sent between 5 and 9 October, which is a week later. Nvidia continues: "We apologize for the inconvenience and thanks again for your order". The status is not any different at etailers that sell RTX 2080 Ti and AIB versions, it is different for the RTX 2080 boards though which can be found.

sause: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/delivery-and-availability-of-the-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-further-delayed.html

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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 15:53    Post subject:
Fuck it, I gave in and ordered the Zodiac GTX 1070 Ti for €450 from Amazon. Performance-wise, the 2080 is only 25% faster for twice the price which is ridiculous. RTX will always be optional anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 15:59    Post subject:
also it currently works only on 4k resolution and in upcomming games Laughing


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and yes, mine is only average
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 16:04    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
also it currently works only on 4k resolution and in upcomming games Laughing


I don't get 4k gaming anyway. My monitor is 2560x1440 and I already find huds in most games too small - why on earth you'd game on 4K is beyond me. Any gamer worth his or her salt will prefer a solid good fps over a higher resolution.

Heck, the whole 4K thing is a joke. I did a test at home with a friend with playing an Amazon movie as 4K and as 1080p. We could NOT tell the difference until we stepped all the way up to the TV and looked closely.
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 16:19    Post subject:
fuck resolution - try movies at 60fps, the difference is HUUUGE Shocked

it's soo smooth Me Gusta

ofc you will have to view them on a monitor or a 60fps TV


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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 16:56    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
fuck resolution - try movies at 60fps, the difference is HUUUGE Shocked

it's soo smooth Me Gusta

ofc you will have to view them on a monitor or a 60fps TV


Yeah a good high FPS is definitely the best thing to have and I noticed that at 1080p or WQHD, the performance improvements are smaller in most games.

The 1070 Ti I picked (Asus Strix) can easily be OC-ed with 10% making it overtake a GTX 1080 and still only have 65°C temperature with fans being silent so it does seem a very good affordable choice. 1080 Ti is around 20% faster than the 1070 Ti stock so that 10% OC should take it pretty close.

When you consider the cheapest 1080 Ti on Amazon is €750 (and it's a shit one with a crappy noisy fan) and the same type (Strix) is €825, that means you'd pay €375 extra (or 80%) for a 20% difference.
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 17:15    Post subject:
red_avatar wrote:
StrEagle wrote:
also it currently works only on 4k resolution and in upcomming games Laughing


I don't get 4k gaming anyway. My monitor is 2560x1440 and I already find huds in most games too small - why on earth you'd game on 4K is beyond me. Any gamer worth his or her salt will prefer a solid good fps over a higher resolution.

Heck, the whole 4K thing is a joke. I did a test at home with a friend with playing an Amazon movie as 4K and as 1080p. We could NOT tell the difference until we stepped all the way up to the TV and looked closely.

WAT

What has resolution to do with HUD size/scale? If your game renders the HUD at tiny size, it means the derpeloper is an idiot. Every respected developer nowadays renders HUD/GUI in a resolution-independent ways (vectors).

And if you couldn't tell the difference between SDR and HDR (not related to resolution but nowadays they come together), it means you either have vaseline on your eyes or used a shit TV.
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 17:32    Post subject:
Leo being his usual daft self again I see ... I was talking about resolutions, not HDR (which wasn't even turned on for the test). Stop making stupid assumptions.

And plenty of games still don't properly resize HUDs or do it poorly making the HUD blurry instead of nice and crisp.
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 17:45    Post subject:
That means the developers are idiots. So your entire statement of "I don't get 4k gaming anyway." based on idiot developers makes no sense. Demand better from your games rather than lowering your expectations or hardware.

Oh, you turned off HDR, did you? And you call me daft. Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 17:53    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
That means the developers are idiots. So your entire statement of "I don't get 4k gaming anyway." based on idiot developers makes no sense. Demand better from your games rather than lowering your expectations or hardware.

Oh, you turned off HDR, did you? And you call me daft. Laughing Laughing


Dear lord were you dropped on your head or something? Are you seriously picking a fight picking at details? I made it clear why 4K makes no sense - serious performance hit for barely any visual difference. And calling devs shit doesn't change the matter - lots of huds are poorly scaled or not at all.

And yeah, I turned off HDR - what part of "test" didn't you get? My point remains: barely any visual difference for a serious performance impact. And since HDR on PC is still rare, it's not even a factor. Now stop trolling.
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 19:20    Post subject:
I try games in 4K on my monitor, it looks fabulous without any need for AA. Runs like shit, looks awesome Sad My 970 does not like.
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 19:49    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
I try games in 4K on my monitor, it looks fabulous without any need for AA. Runs like shit, looks awesome Sad My 970 does not like.
Just buy a 2080ti then


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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Sep 2018 11:59    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
I try games in 4K on my monitor, it looks fabulous without any need for AA. Runs like shit, looks awesome Sad My 970 does not like.


i'm not surprised. I got a WQHD monitor and I already see a good 15-20% hit in FPS here at 2560x1440 and I got a GTX 970 as well.

With tweaking I got Witcher 3 to run with most stuff cranked up at 60fps (more or less) but it's sad that a card that was released around the time of TW3's release can't do any better than that - that's with Hairworks turned off by the way. If I lower the resolution to 1080p I get 80fps which I find a lot more acceptable and the micro-stutters disappear here. I dread to think what 4K would be like.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Sep 2018 12:49    Post subject:
The 970 is a relatively old technology now. The major hit was games moving to PBR pipelines. You could probably find a cheap 970 for SLI, and when it works, it works well for 1440p, but it's a crapshoot. Better invest in a 1070.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Sep 2018 18:14    Post subject:
Wanted to do that, with the rtx launch... just most of the shits are still at MSRP. Expected a tiny bit lower. 2nd hand that is up: mostly ex miner crap.


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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Sep 2018 18:18    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
Wanted to do that, with the rtx launch... just most of the shits are still at MSRP. Expected a tiny bit lower. 2nd hand that is up: mostly ex miner crap.


And why would it matter if the card has been mined on? They are usually run on much lower voltages to begin with and probably last longer than your average joes gpu that has been overclocked to the limits since day 1.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Sep 2018 19:30    Post subject:
Because they have run 24/7 . Which is not ideal for me, since I run about the same 18'ish hours a day, aka there is already wear on them and I'd rather have a less used one.

A random is usually no problem because the majority doesn't even bother with overclocking their GPU and they sure as hell don't play as much as I do. Razz




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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Sep 2018 19:32    Post subject:
Stige wrote:
Morphineus wrote:
Wanted to do that, with the rtx launch... just most of the shits are still at MSRP. Expected a tiny bit lower. 2nd hand that is up: mostly ex miner crap.


And why would it matter if the card has been mined on? They are usually run on much lower voltages to begin with and probably last longer than your average joes gpu that has been overclocked to the limits since day 1.


Well the fans may be far more worn out due to constant usage and unlike case fans, it's not as easy to replace them because the 1001 different cooling solutions used on GPUs. Other than that, if you buy from a moron who had 8 of these cards all close together, there's a chance they've been running quite hot too. But yeah, you never know what you buy. I NEVER buy second hand graphics cards because, let's face it, apart from hard drives (which I'd also never buy second hand), it's the first component in your PC to die.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Sep 2018 20:15    Post subject:
Haha yeah, my 660 Ti died two times already - and both times it was resurrected by the mighty baking oven. I'm just hoping it survives a few more weeks/months in case there is more info about the 2060. If those benchmarks aren't fake and it's really 300$ it might be worth waiting for it over getting a 1060 or 1070. There's no hurry for now, because I've got some older games to finish, not too many left though.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Sep 2018 23:59    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
Haha yeah, my 660 Ti died two times already - and both times it was resurrected by the mighty baking oven. I'm just hoping it survives a few more weeks/months in case there is more info about the 2060. If those benchmarks aren't fake and it's really 300$ it might be worth waiting for it over getting a 1060 or 1070. There's no hurry for now, because I've got some older games to finish, not too many left though.


When I bought my 970 three and a half years ago (May 2014), I gave my two-year-old 670 to an online friend from Eastern Europe who could barely afford anything. That card only survived another half year with my friend so it lasted less long than my 970 now. Before that, it was the GTX 470 which actually died after two years as well. Before THAT, I had the HD 4870 which had serious fan issues (which I actually only fixed half a year ago using it for a retro PC) causing the card to either overheat, or the fan only spinning at full speed which was extremely loud. The 8800GTS before that, died from overheating as well. And before that I can't even remember but I know that the ONLY graphics card that actually survived the past 20 years, was my Voodoo 2 which didn't even need a fan.

Long story short: graphics cards are fucking expensive for the limited time they survive. I've always had expensive cases with lots of fans because I know it's actually cheaper in the long run because cooler gear = longer life span but if these cards can only last 2-3 years ... that's a joke really.
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Sep 2018 00:06    Post subject:
I think also the 970 was from a line that was much cooler in general. The 400-600 lines were still from the times when nVidia was being ridiculed for running very hot.
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Sep 2018 00:38    Post subject:
Well my 660 Ti survived exactly 1 year after putting it in the oven for the first time. Now I'm in second month of the second resurrection. I also still have working GTX 275 and 8800 GTS as backup (but quite useless nowadays). My Radeon 9800 XT and Geforce 3 Ti 500 both died.
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