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Roach_666
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| Posted: Tue, 1st May 2018 02:02 Post subject: |
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I agree, changing the rules could definitely work but dialing back on the guns would require Ubisoft taking measures that in turn would take away that mainstream edge Assassin's Creed games also have along with stealth. I mean, along with being stealthy, players can also fight openly if they choose to and then run away when the heat is too much. It's part of the original formula.
But taking that away and making it hardcore stealth (not a problem for me, I dig that shit) is a business risk I don't think Ubisoft is willing to take.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st May 2018 23:21 Post subject: |
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| Roach_666 wrote: | | A setting during Nazi occupied Europe would make the game a shooter. I think, Ubisoft doesn't want Assassin's Creed to be a shooter. |
saboteur is a shooter? i mean saboteur is a assassins creed clone
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 1st May 2018 23:32 Post subject: |
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What I'd like to see:
The time of the immortals (as seen in the glimpses of the compiled clips in AC1 of how the two immortals run away)
Imperial China or earlier
Japan Feudal Era
Russian Tsardom 1547-1721
and so on.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2018 04:51 Post subject: |
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The setting is an important aspect, but what I'd really (foolishly  ) like to see is an additional layer of renovations on top of the positive ones already seen in Origins, it's the necessary step in my opinion to finally make the big jump from decent/passable to good. It's also the hardest one, though.
It would require ditching the apathetic platforming system based on the pressing of one single button for a more involving type that includes some physics as well, implementing a stealth model that's less approximative/automatized in terms of movements, some robust AI, less reliance on ridiculously game-y upgrades and mechanics, a story that finally offers remarkable characters and dialogues and a world that abandons the checklist-based busywork. I'd basically want Assassin's Creed to suppress all the signature Ubifeatures that make it play and feel like Assassin's Creed 
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2018 07:43 Post subject: |
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If you ask me, I want AC2 and its subgames' mechanics back. I hate the new combat system, I hate the new levelling "ARPG" nonsense, I hate the shitting itemization system, and I hate the mindless parkour system. But everything else in Origins is pretty decent.
But what I would really want is for us to just be able to create our own character, the modern day plot has gone utter pointless, the Animus doesn't serve any purpose anymore, and the suspense and mysterious atmosphere of the old ACs are gone. Just let us play as our own assassin. Do it like Mass Effect so it's still voiced and all that. So Ubishit doesn't have to force multiple playable sections just to satisfied the "female representation" requirement.
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2018 08:00 Post subject: |
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Ah, well that explains the look then. So the screenshot itself is not fake, it's just not anything to do with AC.
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| Posted: Thu, 31st May 2018 17:53 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 31st May 2018 17:56 Post subject: |
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I finally played Origins, just did the walking tour for now because swamped with work, but they make a big show and fuss about the Roman Legionary, but in the actual game, the gladius looks too long and comical, they use the wrong shields, they even got axemen, and those helmets.
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| Posted: Thu, 31st May 2018 18:37 Post subject: |
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The leaks seem good enough, but the part about "2 playable characters with different stories" but you can only choose one or the other seems fake/dumb. These games are not short by any stretch, and most people will play through the game once. Seems like a waste of time and resources, if most people won't see a huge part of the content.
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| Posted: Thu, 31st May 2018 19:06 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | | I finally played Origins, just did the walking tour for now because swamped with work, but they make a big show and fuss about the Roman Legionary, but in the actual game, the gladius looks too long and comical, they use the wrong shields, they even got axemen, and those helmets. |
A few of the tours go into them styling up the historically accurate gear of the period a bit which also helps make the different enemy types more distinguishable during battle I would assume.
(Hate those wolf head types and their power throw javelins.)
Which is likely also why the Super-Spartan soldier types with their war-fan blades are about twice as tall as everyone else.
Over time they've gradually had more and more changes from gameplay and historical events and characters to fit it into the narrative. Unsure if that's due to the shift in lead writer or not though even the early games had some of this but it's more common now.
(Which I believe some of the tours also cover a bit.)
EDIT: They don't go wholly overboard though or at least they tried to have some consistency and accuracy so I wouldn't expect Odyssey here to feature leather thong muscle men or anything...the DLC though well they could go anywhere especially with the mythology of ancient Greece.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/859486012911745793/48956B0CA320D519BD81D4ECE021D5C3164ED27E/
AC Origins mural depicting the Persian Immortals.
So while stylized they can keep to more accurate depictions and designs though what the actual game consists of well we'll see in the trailer I suppose or the teaser for the teaser trailer for the trailer or however it works these days.
(E3 reveal might be another heavily scripted or entirely cinematic piece for example.)
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| Posted: Thu, 31st May 2018 19:13 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | | The leaks seem good enough, but the part about "2 playable characters with different stories" but you can only choose one or the other seems fake/dumb. These games are not short by any stretch, and most people will play through the game once. Seems like a waste of time and resources, if most people won't see a huge part of the content. |
And for this I would have expected something like Syndicate where you can use either of them but some missions might enforce a specific character, maybe Ubisoft is trying something new though and you you select who you want to be and the other character is disposed or something in the introduction but at 40 - 80 hours depending on completion doing two runs through the game would be a serious time investment depending on what completion percentage players go for.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 07:10 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | | The leaks seem good enough, but the part about "2 playable characters with different stories" but you can only choose one or the other seems fake/dumb. These games are not short by any stretch, and most people will play through the game once. Seems like a waste of time and resources, if most people won't see a huge part of the content. |
There's no mentioning of extra content, most likely its the same locations, it's just your character which has another story/background.. i'm guessing you select male or female and these are different classes too, so reactions from some NPC's are sometimes different. We've had this in RPG's like TES for ages, but with more than 2 choices..
Really happy about this, absolutely loved Origins.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 09:44 Post subject: |
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"Characters have intersecting but different stories, different forms of Eagle Vision, different skills etc" is what the leaked 4chan thing says.
The comparison with TES doesn't make sense because AC games are not RPGs, they don't offer choices and the story is mostly linear.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 14:52 Post subject: |
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It makes perfect sense if you have followed the series, it seems to be heading in a more RPG like direction. Also, AC is almost as much an RPG as Bethesdas current action RPG's i'd say.
Not sure what they mean but it could basically mean different background stories and that there are a few variations to the outcome in certain scenarios since you maybe are of another sex and likely another class. But yes, there could be some additional content like quests too i bet, which is pretty standard for action RPG's.
Or it's completely new story and quests for each character, which of course would make sense too, introducing something new.. Also the quests and story are usually not very deep so it's not an immense challenge to do probably. What takes time is the world building etc, quests can be pretty much copy/pasted, just swap out the factions/characters etc.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 15:27 Post subject: |
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No NG+ and such is a let down, if the rumours are true. I really liked Origins so I kinda hoped they'd stay down that path.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 16:00 Post subject: |
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More info: https://twitter.com/GearsofSkorge/status/1002336102018056193
| Quote: | 1) Codename was ‘Constellation’ changed to ‘Dynasty’ during alpha stage, and finally renamed ‘Odyssey’
2) The game is set 400 years BEFORE the events of Assassins Creed Origins
3) we continue as Laya (with Desmond’s father) in London.
4) The game is set in Ancient Greece & its mythology.
5) Opening scene we play as Leonids at the battle of Termopyles
6) We then get to choose to play as his Son or his daughter
7) if you choose boy the girl gets kicked off the mountain (& visa Versa)
) Whom ever gets kicked off the mountain (brother or sister) will become the antagonist of the game
9) Naval returns on a scale similar to black flag, we have our own ship which we can upgrade
10) animals and hunting for resources are back
11) The eagles returns! just like Senu this time called Ikarus
12) Still tree returns
13) Dianne Daughter of Artemis gives us legendary quests, to hunt legendary animals (Nemee Lion, Boar of Cephala ect)
14) The ‘Bad guys’ are called ‘Cultists’
15) Areas will be restrictive just like Origins, (you will need to be a certain level to survive)
16) combat is a carbon copy of Origins
17) Weapon perks return similar to Origins but we can now choose our own perks for weapons this is called engraving, we need to complete special quests and unlock an engraving as a reward
1 The level up system is back, you need to be high level to start certain missions 19) The E3 demo will showcase level 18 - 23
20) each region will have a leader controlling the area, we need to kill the leaders commander and claim outposts to lure him out
21) we visit all the major Greek city’s and learn its history
22) DLC is already implemented, ‘Atlantis’ is the one of the DLC Areas
23) Photo mode is back
24) multiple choice answers rumours are true, and impact the story. One example: your first major decision comes when you reach level 10 and you choose to kill your father, or let him live (because he threw your sibling off the mountain) that’s what’s shown in the quick tease
25) your decision impacts the entire story
26) The game will launch before March 31st 2019 (end of Ubisoft’s fiscal year)
27) the story will have multiple endings depending how we answer
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 16:13 Post subject: |
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7) if you choose boy the girl gets kicked off the mountain (& visa Versa)
) Whom ever gets kicked off the mountain (brother or sister) will become the antagonist of the game
Boring.... Too many shows/movies/anime do this crap.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 16:59 Post subject: |
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but origins was released last year and they said 2 year cycles, they teased it now so it will be releasing this year?
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 18:14 Post subject: |
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I wonder if they incorporate other features from Black Flag as well like underwater diving and exploring etc. They had it in origins too but now like Black Flag. I kinda liked that activity in game.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 18:38 Post subject: |
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| raven_g20 wrote: | | I wonder if they incorporate other features from Black Flag as well like underwater diving and exploring etc. They had it in origins too but now like Black Flag. I kinda liked that activity in game. |
I didn't - naval shit seemed boring and tedious to do - I really hoped they would not bring it back.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2018 19:37 Post subject: |
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Origins is the start of the brotherhood, proto assassin's apparently now go all the way back to the ancestors and that little conflict.
You did get the hidden blade wielded by Darius as a in-game example of older assassins even if they weren't a strict order by that time, Assasin's Creed 2 already confirmed his role too so it goes back the earlier games even if Masiyaf seemed like the origin point originally.
AC: Primal is probably on some idea board somewhere seeing how it goes way back like this, futuristic game set in the distant past with the whole ancestor conflict could be a thing too as a result although I doubt Ubisoft would set a game in this period and instead keep it as more vague with Minerva and Juno as more mythical beings.
(Instead of Adam & Eve kicking arse in the digital garden or whatever went down there, Apple, ruining your shit since the dawn of time.)
EDIT: But who gives a crap really, bring me my pit there's ass to be kicked into it!
(As that little teaser trailer so deftly shows, demoted!)
EDIT: And dammit it's Sparta so it'll be band of boy-lovers style after all.
(So that female protagonist...eh whatever, ancient cross-desser I guess, master level blending skill not seen since Altair the heavily armed monk.)
EDIT: Is naked olympics in too?
EDIT: Those lovers did kick arse like none other though historically. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
(Well some of them.)
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