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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2017 17:37    Post subject: Loot boxes
This shit is escalating in more and more games recently.
Just today i noticed several articles for this popping up.


There is a pretty long but good article on EG:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-10-11-are-loot-boxes-gambling


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2017 17:45    Post subject:
you fucked up the link a bit Smile

And yes, what else would it be?
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TSR69
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2017 17:51    Post subject:
Every unopened box can be gambling.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2017 18:33    Post subject:
NEXT HOT ITEM: Schrodinger's Loot Box. Meow +5?
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2017 20:56    Post subject:
Yes they are.
Though I find it even worse than gambling, this is targeted at a young public and doesn't really have any decent pay off.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2017 21:22    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
Yes they are.
Though I find it even worse than gambling, this is targeted at a young public and doesn't really have any decent pay off.

Indeed, if they really can't be banished (because they well damn should) at least an over-18 certificate* should be slapped onto the games that get shipped with such dangerous aberrations of unhealthy greed. Not that it will solve the problem, but it would be something concrete to not encourage their use.

*speaking of which: http://www.pcgamer.com/loot-boxes-are-not-gambling-according-to-the-esrb/ Laughing Sad
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Oct 2017 13:57    Post subject:
It's only gambling if there's a return. That is, opening digital card packs or whatever which you can't trade is not gambling. The moment you can trade or sell, it's gambling since some of these items sell for hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Valve is more guilty of this than anyone else with their crates and keys since they pretty much pioneered the system on a large scale.
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Oct 2017 23:34    Post subject:
I work in gambling, amazingly. And yes, loot boxes are gambling.


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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Oct 2017 04:24    Post subject:
Is Bingo gambling?
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Oct 2017 04:47    Post subject:
To me it's clearly gambling. I don't really care what loopholes/gray-ares they abuse to weasel around it...


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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Oct 2017 09:36    Post subject:
scaramonga wrote:
Is Bingo gambling?

Yes.


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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2017 00:21    Post subject:
if you spend money in the HOPES of winning something of greater value, then its gambling. very very simple.


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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2017 12:22    Post subject:
It's a stupid ruling.
It's only not gambling because you get something out of it every time (even if it is useless crap)
So inversely, why don't they make slot machines then that give you something everytime to circumvent this ruling.
Let's say it cost 1$ to pull the lever and whenever you get three that don't match you get 1 cent, a sticker, or a worthless pebble instead. Then suddenly it's not gambling anymore? Why isn't everyone doing this then?
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2017 22:41    Post subject:
It is stage 5 gambling.
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Apr 2018 01:47    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK3BLwqt79U&feature=youtu.be


He should just shut the fuck up already. Jeez.
Stupid fat fuck.


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Apr 2018 05:59    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK3BLwqt79U&feature=youtu.be


He should just shut the fuck up already. Jeez.
Stupid fat fuck.


Why? Bitching about loot boxes actually seems to have had a negative effect on them in a good way for the consumer.
Or do you like loot boxes and that's why you don't like it?


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PostPosted: Thu, 19th Apr 2018 13:22    Post subject:


hopefully a stop gets put to this fairly soon globally. Will be interesting to see what effect the past decade of this abhorrent practice does to younger generations and their gambling habits.
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PostPosted: Thu, 19th Apr 2018 15:37    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:


hopefully a stop gets put to this fairly soon globally. Will be interesting to see what effect the past decade of this abhorrent practice does to younger generations and their gambling habits.


It will not, because then it's too late.
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PostPosted: Thu, 19th Apr 2018 15:50    Post subject:
There have always been ways to gamble. This combined materialism and gambling product won't ruin the youngsters other then the ones who would get ruined anyway.


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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2018 15:58    Post subject:
TSR69 wrote:
There have always been ways to gamble. This combined materialism and gambling product won't ruin the youngsters other then the ones who would get ruined anyway.


The problem being that it isn't classified as gambling and as such not regulated. Even gambling has limits. Game devs not so much when looked at the examples out there.


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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Apr 2018 19:31    Post subject:
Now Belgium declares loot boxes gambling and therefore illegal
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-04-25-now-belgium-declares-loot-boxes-gambling-and-therefore-illegal



Nice.


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