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DaLexy
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Now we reached a new high (actually ultralow) state of Microtrnsactions to fuck people up.
This is total bullshit, everyone should insta refund.
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2018 18:09 Post subject: |
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Isn't this the equivalent of buying extra character slots in a MMO?
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2018 18:20 Post subject: |
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I wasn't trying to defend it or anything, just saying that it isn't an unseen before business model. But this is Konami we are talking about, they have to break new records!
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JBeckman
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2018 19:04 Post subject: |
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That and Konami almost completely moved away from the traditional business model and video game development process they had before, Kojima might have been costly especially with how he kept going for more and more with the MGS series but the way he was treated wasn't exactly handled well at all. (But other studios are guilty of this too, Ubisoft for example and I think Bethesda as well? Probably others too such as EA.)
Japanese developed games don't tend to have the current fad with loot boxes and RNG ("RNG" More correctly since it's often weighted.) but they tend to have a lot of cosmetic DLC or in-game shop purchaseable content with a emphasis on longer grinds to even have a chance to earn the coins the regular way.
(I wouldn't be surprised if we're talking a handful of survival coins here and a lot of effort for even single digit gains and then costs in the 1000's for the items and conveniences like this character slot.)
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Feb 2018 12:50 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Feb 2018 22:44 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 02:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 14:10 Post subject: |
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So far I see no need to buy another slot since you can unlock all skills and classes. It’s non invasive too. So far I see very poor defense of people’s rage towards this game unless you include Konami/Kohima drama which I don’t cuz I play games for fun and I really enjoy this actually.
| couleur wrote: | Everything I don't understand is a mental disorder.  |
| couleur wrote: | | If the illegals are drowning its their fault for attempting to cross the river in the first place. Especially the children. /s |
| russ80 wrote: | | Who cares about gameplay. It's one of the few next-gen looking titles out there so BRING IT ON. |
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spajdr
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 15:16 Post subject: |
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| spajdr wrote: | Hehe Biscuit actually got good voice for singing, didn't know that  |
I present you, this
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 15:36 Post subject: |
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| Mikey5449 wrote: | | So far I see no need to buy another slot since you can unlock all skills and classes. It’s non invasive too. So far I see very poor defense of people’s rage towards this game unless you include Konami/Kohima drama which I don’t cuz I play games for fun and I really enjoy this actually. |
So if theyever decide to make savingand loding a game a paid feature you wont get angry if you can play through the game in one sitting
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 16:00 Post subject: |
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| lametta wrote: | | Mikey5449 wrote: | | So far I see no need to buy another slot since you can unlock all skills and classes. It’s non invasive too. So far I see very poor defense of people’s rage towards this game unless you include Konami/Kohima drama which I don’t cuz I play games for fun and I really enjoy this actually. |
So if theyever decide to make savingand loding a game a paid feature you wont get angry if you can play through the game in one sitting |
That’s a terrible comeback, sorry. But to entertain you, isn’t this what you are basically doing with a sub based MMO? Using your extremism, I could also say you ARE paying to save and load your game via the electricity you are using to run the game.
| couleur wrote: | | Everything I don't understand is a mental disorder. |
| couleur wrote: | | If the illegals are drowning its their fault for attempting to cross the river in the first place. Especially the children. /s |
| russ80 wrote: | | Who cares about gameplay. It's one of the few next-gen looking titles out there so BRING IT ON. |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 16:19 Post subject: |
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| Mikey5449 wrote: | | lametta wrote: | | Mikey5449 wrote: | | So far I see no need to buy another slot since you can unlock all skills and classes. It’s non invasive too. So far I see very poor defense of people’s rage towards this game unless you include Konami/Kohima drama which I don’t cuz I play games for fun and I really enjoy this actually. |
So if theyever decide to make savingand loding a game a paid feature you wont get angry if you can play through the game in one sitting |
That’s a terrible comeback, sorry. But to entertain you, isn’t this what you are basically doing with a sub based MMO? Using your extremism, I could also say you ARE paying to save and load your game via the electricity you are using to run the game. |
How is that a terrible comeback. Save slots are a common feature that arent paid in compareable games. So is loading and saving. How does that affect the players positively in any way? İt doesnt. This isnt a sub based mmo so your comparsion is lacking.
It should be natural to go against devs who make common features paidout of a sudden.
I could quote some ceo who once proposed as an exmple that in shoters like cod ammo should be monetized so a player who would be on a killing spree wouldnt mind reaching in his pocket and paying for it. This is the future of gaming se are looking at ifwe leave stuff like that to people like you.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 16:45 Post subject: |
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Can you tell me why you NEED another character slot in this game please? I’ll eat my words and apologize if you can explain that.
As for paying for loading and saving, I’ve never heard of that before so I got nothing.
I’ve not bought anything from this game aside from the initial purchase. It hasn’t affected my gameplay at all. If it did, I’d concede, but it just doesn’t. I say as long as things can still be obtained w/o having to pay more then I see no harm. I liken it to the old D3 RLAH. Any of those items could have been found legitimately but you had the option to buy it from other players who just got lucky with a drop. Again, the choice belonged to the consumer. We aren’t being forced to do anything in order to enjoy more of this game. This is why I’m not understanding your perspective.
| couleur wrote: | | Everything I don't understand is a mental disorder. |
| couleur wrote: | | If the illegals are drowning its their fault for attempting to cross the river in the first place. Especially the children. /s |
| russ80 wrote: | | Who cares about gameplay. It's one of the few next-gen looking titles out there so BRING IT ON. |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 17:37 Post subject: |
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From what i saw in videos and keep seeing, i have no real interest in trying this abomination out.
And since this seems to be online-only, an isodemo won't happen anyways either.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 18:07 Post subject: |
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| Mikey5449 wrote: | Can you tell me why you NEED another character slot in this game please? I’ll eat my words and apologize if you can explain that.
As for paying for loading and saving, I’ve never heard of that before so I got nothing.
I’ve not bought anything from this game aside from the initial purchase. It hasn’t affected my gameplay at all. If it did, I’d concede, but it just doesn’t. I say as long as things can still be obtained w/o having to pay more then I see no harm. I liken it to the old D3 RLAH. Any of those items could have been found legitimately but you had the option to buy it from other players who just got lucky with a drop. Again, the choice belonged to the consumer. We aren’t being forced to do anything in order to enjoy more of this game. This is why I’m not understanding your perspective. |
What if there are not only 1 but 2 persons in a household who want to play the game. Let's say a bigger brother and a little brother or a father and a son.
Why would they put a price on something no one sees as necessaryand no one would buy while people would make a PR shitstorm out of it. I think a company like Konami knows better than you and me How to make money.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 18:21 Post subject: |
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| lametta wrote: | | Mikey5449 wrote: | Can you tell me why you NEED another character slot in this game please? I’ll eat my words and apologize if you can explain that.
As for paying for loading and saving, I’ve never heard of that before so I got nothing.
I’ve not bought anything from this game aside from the initial purchase. It hasn’t affected my gameplay at all. If it did, I’d concede, but it just doesn’t. I say as long as things can still be obtained w/o having to pay more then I see no harm. I liken it to the old D3 RLAH. Any of those items could have been found legitimately but you had the option to buy it from other players who just got lucky with a drop. Again, the choice belonged to the consumer. We aren’t being forced to do anything in order to enjoy more of this game. This is why I’m not understanding your perspective. |
How about not only 1 but 2 persons in a household want to play the game. Let's say bigger and the little brother in a family or father and son.
Why would they put a price on something no one sees as necessary while they could get a shitstorm going for it. I think a company knows better than you and me How to make money. |
In short Konami are just greedy bastards. Perhaps rinsing the MGS name to death because they may well know the franchise itself is dead now.. like Disney does to StarWars, except people still lap those up.
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spajdr
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| Posted: Mon, 26th Feb 2018 02:26 Post subject: |
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| lametta wrote: | | Mikey5449 wrote: | Can you tell me why you NEED another character slot in this game please? I’ll eat my words and apologize if you can explain that.
As for paying for loading and saving, I’ve never heard of that before so I got nothing.
I’ve not bought anything from this game aside from the initial purchase. It hasn’t affected my gameplay at all. If it did, I’d concede, but it just doesn’t. I say as long as things can still be obtained w/o having to pay more then I see no harm. I liken it to the old D3 RLAH. Any of those items could have been found legitimately but you had the option to buy it from other players who just got lucky with a drop. Again, the choice belonged to the consumer. We aren’t being forced to do anything in order to enjoy more of this game. This is why I’m not understanding your perspective. |
What if there are not only 1 but 2 persons in a household who want to play the game. Let's say a bigger brother and a little brother or a father and a son.
Why would they put a price on something no one sees as necessaryand no one would buy while people would make a PR shitstorm out of it. I think a company like Konami knows better than you and me How to make money. |
I definitely agree with that scenario. It is definitely a valid point. I don’t have much of a comeback unfortunately other than the game is priced fairly reasonably and even better on sale. Lots got it for $26 or so. Not too bad I think.
| couleur wrote: | | Everything I don't understand is a mental disorder. |
| couleur wrote: | | If the illegals are drowning its their fault for attempting to cross the river in the first place. Especially the children. /s |
| russ80 wrote: | | Who cares about gameplay. It's one of the few next-gen looking titles out there so BRING IT ON. |
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DaLexy
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| Posted: Mon, 26th Feb 2018 09:01 Post subject: |
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Serves them right 
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mtj
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| Posted: Mon, 26th Feb 2018 12:55 Post subject: |
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I enjoy the game. Haven't spent a penny on micro transactions.
Would just need few extra players as the waiting times for coop are horrible and you often get scrubs.
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