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fearwhatnow




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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Jul 2014 22:24    Post subject:
dodger2020 wrote:
They also have a license to produce additional games using "microsoft technologies." I have the utmost confidence they will fuck everything up Smile

I'll just stick with Prepar3d and X-plane. It'll be interesting to see how the Rift integration works in Prepar3d...


This exactly. Prepar3d is a better product now. It might be expensive but it's way better than FSX.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Jul 2014 00:30    Post subject:
Haha, Microsoft and Dovetail Games working together, what could possibly go wrong Very Happy Laughing

Hopefully FSX re-release will have at least the 40% of the original contents Cool Face
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Jul 2014 00:32    Post subject:
Im looking forward to this men.
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 20:12    Post subject:
Downloading the Steam beta right now. 10.3GB (around 16GB once installed)
Of course I am under NDA so ...


Game should be out on the 18th december 2014 though.
I will start dedicated thread with feedback at this time. Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 20:39    Post subject:
What's this? FSX? Beta? Steam? Scratch Head


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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 20:58    Post subject:
http://www.dovetailgames.com/news/2014/dec/9/dovetail-games-clears-microsoft-flight-simulator-x-steam-edition-for-takeoff-on-december-18

Wink

Honestly I got no more info for now, still downloading damit Mad


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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 21:04    Post subject:
I remember from way back when, Flight Simulator X had some EPIC protection triggers. It would randomly shut off systems / open doors / extend and retract gear mid-flight. Ah, fun times.


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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 21:10    Post subject:
Let us know asap... I'm hoping it's not just a re-release and actually has been upgraded


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PostPosted: Thu, 18th Dec 2014 19:40    Post subject:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/314160/discussions/1/626329820730080279/

Basicallly :

- FSX : Steam edition (SFSX) is "just" a re-release with fixes/tweaks
- it includes the FSX:Acceleration DLC
- multiplayer is using Steam or LAN instead of GameSpy(which is history)
- they are doing their best to keep backward compatibility with existing addons
- SFSX can coexist with an old boxed FSX installation

So it is basically our old FSX with official fixes and improvements, they are not allowed (by MS/DTG agreement) to add new features or to do drastic engine changes.
Which is still good, FSX is still a nice piece of flight sim regarding content and features, and official support is welcome.

Also they said they will sell it at an insanely low price ! And so they did : 5€ for the next 48hours. (-80%)
Normal price of 25€ is ... well...

On the other hand :

They are working on a new Flight simulator to be released in the near future (2015?), I just hope they learned from MS Flight failure and understood "everything as 20-30€ DLC" was not the way to go. Neutral


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PostPosted: Thu, 18th Dec 2014 19:59    Post subject:
Typical they made a statement when ending fsx studio that ms would never make another proper flight simulation product.
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PostPosted: Thu, 18th Dec 2014 21:53    Post subject:
So I see there's a F/A-18 in the game and carrier ops were mentioned. Anyone know if they have Combat Flight Ops like the old Combat Flight Sim from years ago?
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PostPosted: Fri, 19th Dec 2014 16:14    Post subject:
briangw wrote:
So I see there's a F/A-18 in the game and carrier ops were mentioned. Anyone know if they have Combat Flight Ops like the old Combat Flight Sim from years ago?


Tack Pack addon is what you need for this.
http://www.vrsimulations.com/tacpack.htm
(around $40)



Friends of mine are using and enjoying it, personally I have DCS series for that. Wink


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PostPosted: Fri, 19th Dec 2014 20:26    Post subject:
Silent_Lurker wrote:
briangw wrote:
So I see there's a F/A-18 in the game and carrier ops were mentioned. Anyone know if they have Combat Flight Ops like the old Combat Flight Sim from years ago?


Tack Pack addon is what you need for this.
http://www.vrsimulations.com/tacpack.htm
(around $40)



Friends of mine are using and enjoying it, personally I have DCS series for that. Wink


I did buy some DCS stuff but was waiting for my Trustmaster which is coming today Smile I guess I'll pass and just play DCS.
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Dec 2014 09:49    Post subject:
Quote:
Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Steam Edition Change Log
The below change log represents the key changes made to FSX: Gold Edition to create FSX: Steam Edition.

General
* FSX: Steam Edition is now built using the VS2013 compiler for better optimisation and performance. (Still makes use of VS2005 libraries for backwards compatibility.)
* Updated splash, launcher and mission preview images for FSX:SE versions.

Multiplayer, networking and communications
* Gamespy networking now replaced by new Steam networking.
* Game chat now integrated with Steam chat
* Friends/Banned lists now integrated with Steam.
* Game invites now use Steam.
* Host networking defaults to a single port 6112.
* Host networking uses 27016 for Steam Master Server Browser.
* Host timeout (loss of connection to host) now 35 seconds by default (was 55).
* "Disconnected" message dialog now retained on screen for 4 mins before automatic dismissal (was 30 secs).

Steam Support
* Top Down Camera (camera view select 4) was previously bound to F12 by default which is normally used for Steam's screenshot feature. Camera View Select 4 now uses Shift+F12 by default to avoid potential clash.

Compatibility with FSX boxed
* FSX and FSX: Steam Edition co-Existence feature allows both versions to be installed on the same machine.

Default System-Setting Alterations
* Increased TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD to 4096 up from 1024
* Changed HIGHMEMFIX=1
* Increased Vertex and Index Buffers and the number of buffers.

Bugs Fixed
* Fix to particle emitter controllers which were not being updated properly.
* Fix to flush all levels of detail in terrain cache.
* Fix to Texture Composition preventing fail and crash.
* Fixed issue where player is able to reserve more slots for friends than maximum players allowed in the game.
* Fixed issue where invalid Briefing Room was presented to player when cancelling session creation.
* Fixed issue where weather text in the multiplayer briefing room is partially cut off.
* Fixed issue where no error message appears when attempting to host a session with the network adapter disabled.
* Fixed issue where there is no error message when attempting to host a session with the network cable unplugged.
* Fixed issue where host player is frozen after a collision occurs in multiplayer.
* Fixed issue where client gets dropped from a multiplayer game after they crash into the host.
* Fixed issue where the Host Options in multiplayer/ Free Flight allow a user to have a maximum of 99 player slots.
* UIAutomationCore.dll work-a-round is now supplied by default with FSX:SE. This fixes a number of crashes relating to UI interaction on 64-bit versions of Windows.
* Fixed issue where the application’s taskbar preview window displays no content on Windows 8 and above
* Prevent default colour mode for Windows 7 and above (enable automatic display composition).
* sserife.fon file now automatically supplied and loaded.


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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 03:15    Post subject:
Immunity wrote:
I remember from way back when, Flight Simulator X had some EPIC protection triggers. It would randomly shut off systems / open doors / extend and retract gear mid-flight. Ah, fun times.


i don't remember any of that from fsx. I don't recall ever reading about protection issues with fsx.
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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 13:44    Post subject:
dodger2020 wrote:
Immunity wrote:
I remember from way back when, Flight Simulator X had some EPIC protection triggers. It would randomly shut off systems / open doors / extend and retract gear mid-flight. Ah, fun times.


i don't remember any of that from fsx. I don't recall ever reading about protection issues with fsx.


he is probably just mistaken, the only system problems I recall were ones when buying payware aircraft like a pmdg release, where if you did not have it cracked or installed correctly the displays would not always come on or show info etc.

This is not really linked to fsx but more to the security of the product installed.
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PostPosted: Thu, 26th Mar 2015 19:53    Post subject:
FSX Steam edition on sale @ -80% right now (<March 30/2015).

Really worth the money (at this price of course).
Also a new build with several improvements and fixes is just about to be released.

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PostPosted: Thu, 26th Mar 2015 20:09    Post subject:
got it! Very Happy


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and yes, mine is only average
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PostPosted: Thu, 26th Mar 2015 21:09    Post subject:
Silent_Lurker wrote:
FSX Steam edition on sale @ -80% right now (<March 30/2015).

Really worth the money (at this price of course).
Also a new build with several improvements and fixes is just about to be released.

Wink


prepar3d is far better.
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PostPosted: Thu, 26th Mar 2015 21:56    Post subject:
Maybe.

But Prepar3D isn't 5€ Very Happy
And I really don't get their "not for entertainment" thingy.
I am pretty sure FSX:SE has already more users than P3D because of this.

P3D 64bits sounds promising though, I might switch to it depending on how it goes.


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PostPosted: Thu, 26th Mar 2015 21:57    Post subject:
Silent_Lurker wrote:
Maybe.

But Prepar3D isn't 5€ Very Happy
And I really don't get their "not for entertainment" thingy.
I am pretty sure FSX:SE has already more users than P3D because of this.

P3D 64bits sounds promising though, I might switch to it depending on how it goes.


probably worth switching, pmdg already have their great addons for p3d.
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PostPosted: Thu, 26th Mar 2015 23:41    Post subject:
Just wondering...

Which of the currently available flight sims is best graphics wise? Like, has the most detailed cities and geographical coverage etc? And does any of these flight sims have a decent damage model?
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PostPosted: Thu, 26th Mar 2015 23:57    Post subject:
saddamhussein wrote:
Just wondering...

Which of the currently available flight sims is best graphics wise? Like, has the most detailed cities and geographical coverage etc? And does any of these flight sims have a decent damage model?



The non-combat sims don't have a damage model. And the combat sims are limited to certain aircraft. It all depends on what you want to do.

Out of the box there's not much in the way of city detail. Only certain cities are modeled at all with the rest being auto-generated. But there are lots of addons to put cities into the game. Again, all depends on what kind of flying you want to do. Typically in a flight sim, very little time is spent close to the ground other than on approach / departure (and the occasional fucking around) so city detail isn't top of the list.

I kind of want to get prepar3d but I want to wait until later this year when the consumer VR headsets are out and supported.
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Feb 2018 21:53    Post subject:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/flight-sim-labs-inject-drm-malware-into-their-flight-simulator-x-add-on-which-extracts-passwords.24340/

Quote:

Flight Sim Labs inject 'DRM' malware into their flight simulator X add-on which extracts passwords

Which they claim is to target pirates, obviously.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/02/19/flight-sim-group-put-malware-in-a-jet-and-called-it-drm/


A company who makes add-ons for Flight Simulator X included malware in one of their downloadable jets, players have alleged. The malicious file is called 'test.exe’ and it is designed to extract passwords from the Chrome web browser, according to the user who discovered it. The company in question, Flight Sim Labs, have since replaced the dirty jet with a clean one. But they say that to claim the file “indiscriminately dumps Chrome passwords” is “not correct information”, adding that the malware was “only extracted temporarily” and that it was targeted at pirates. The head of the company describes the file as “DRM”.

edit: title is meant to say passwords, could a mod please fix thank you.



Damn, actual malware targeting your *browser* passwords and they're trying to pass it off as a DRM solution? Hah.
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Feb 2018 08:04    Post subject:
https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/7yh4zu/fslabs_a320_installer_seems_to_include_a_chrome/

Now that's a fuck-up alright.

Quote:

I work in InfoSec for a large company as a Security Architect I am involved with Incident Response

First, this is illegal in many countries and states. They cannot distribute malware knowingly.

Second, for the misguided who are buying the line that it is only pirated serial numbers that are affected. Every system that downloaded and ran the file should now be considered compromised. At my company, if this was done, those systems would be isolated, investigated and reimaged.

Nobody can guarantee how the malware behaves that they installed. It very well could have left a ghost somewhere or when it is used could send the data via means the company could not detect. I seriously doubt they would look at DNS exfil or even know what it is.

There is also the possibility some developer of another program dropped malware and stole your license number and now your copy is blacklisted.

The data they exfiled is PII and there are lots of issues with taking it off a system. Was it transmitted in the clear? How are they storing the stolen data they pulled? What if they are compromised? How are they using the data? Have they shared the data? If so, how did they transmit the data and how is it stored?

There are legal issues as well. They acknowledged they stole PII from users. This is illegal. Any data obtained through those methods are also not admissible in court. They are also open to being fined by, at the very least, the EU and the UK.

For those legitimate users who say they have nothing to hide or worry about. You should be extremely worried. This company has done something very unethical and illegal. When they were caught doing it, they denied it initially, then they said they did it to fight piracy and, Oh, trust them, they don't execute it on legitimate customers. The issue with that is they already ruined that trust by putting malware on your system. You cannot trust this company when they say they do not run test.exe on legitimate copies.

If you have had this installer executed on your system, it is my professional opinion you should reimage your system and change any passwords stored in Chrome. Also, use a password manager and do not store passwords in Chrome.

Edit: More on the company trust. Keep in mind what they did is very unethical and illegal. In the coming weeks, they will be doing and saying anything to save their company. They are going to be assailed on multiple fronts with various agencies, Attorneys General, countries, and individuals investigating, prosecuting, and/or litigating.

Edit2: This has blown up, as it should, but if you read the posts on the forums for FSL that they did not delete, the lack of awareness is absurd. Also, the data was exfiled with unencrypted transmission and the data was not encrypted either. To make matters worse, the target server is not behind a firewall and has RDP open to the world.


(This is going to be a big deal, illegally obtained data trying to use that as valid evidence and then even properly storing or protecting said data in any way plus it's dumped Chrome browser password meaning it's a huge security problem for the users who ran this add-on and were compromised.)
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Feb 2018 09:59    Post subject:
Oh wow.

So not only they are thieves themselves (selling a single fucking plane, no matter how good it is, 100$ is a steal)
But also they are damn hackerzzz and then trying to justifie their crime ala Apple and be good with it !?

Hope they will be put in jail soon, for these 2 very reasons Twisted Evil


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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Feb 2018 13:25    Post subject:
As big of a deal as this is (and it's fucking huge... at least to those who actually care) I can't say that I'm surprised at all.

When I was still into flightsim and spending hundreds and hundreds of $$$ on add-ons there was a lot of different types of sometimes quite invasive DRM involved over the years.
And for me the biggest thing (which eventually drove me to completely abandon the hobby) was the fucking asshole "old-guard" clique involved in a lot of places, *cough*AVSIM*cough*, and their constant pirates = thieves = worse then everything shtick. It got relly old and silly and depressing really fast.

I was really missing flightsim recently but thank you FSL for reconfirming I made the right choice. Laughing
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