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SycoShaman
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| deelix wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | deelix wrote: |
For sure you talking of experience;) |
still are... or just pretend as 
hahaha of course dude I was once a kid too man |
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huh? Im 28....trust me man, im no kid. |
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SycoShaman
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Oh, 
I get what you mean... yeah, Im still a kid I'd say, but not like that. If my buds and I are talking about women now, and say Im like "yeah, I didnt get a piece", its like "oh man, that sucks, have a beer"
I was feeling shitty yesterday and like 6 of my friends showed up, through me in the car and took me out for a nite of drinking at the rippers and paid for a few..."special" lap dances 
Still, i helped on the bill...we ran a $1500 tab I only pitched in $150...i mean fuck, they said it was on them
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Dec 2005 03:15 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | never have money on you when your drunk  |
yeah bwoy, thats so true.
But still, a couple of my friends are rich, like real rich and shit rich so when they go out, they go ballin.
The one guy bought me a $150 cognac (i think it was a double)...ridiculous. Was really smooth and good and shit but fuck? $150 for a drink? i mean, the 9.95 for a beer or a shot + tip is killer for me, nevermind $150 for one fuckin drink...+ they bought me this one chick, hot broad and I spent an hour with her...$400 bucks right there
still, no complaints |
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deelix
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Dec 2005 03:39 Post subject: |
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$150 is even much in norway...
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | deelix wrote: | | never have money on you when your drunk |
yeah bwoy, thats so true.
But still, a couple of my friends are rich, like real rich and shit rich so when they go out, they go ballin.
The one guy bought me a $150 cognac (i think it was a double)...ridiculous. Was really smooth and good and shit but fuck? $150 for a drink? i mean, the 9.95 for a beer or a shot + tip is killer for me, nevermind $150 for one fuckin drink...+ they bought me this one chick, hot broad and I spent an hour with her...$400 bucks right there
still, no complaints |
all's well but having to have your friends PAY someone for sex? man you gotta step up your game  |
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| Sublime wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | deelix wrote: | | never have money on you when your drunk |
yeah bwoy, thats so true.
But still, a couple of my friends are rich, like real rich and shit rich so when they go out, they go ballin.
The one guy bought me a $150 cognac (i think it was a double)...ridiculous. Was really smooth and good and shit but fuck? $150 for a drink? i mean, the 9.95 for a beer or a shot + tip is killer for me, nevermind $150 for one fuckin drink...+ they bought me this one chick, hot broad and I spent an hour with her...$400 bucks right there
still, no complaints |
all's well but having to have your friends PAY someone for sex? man you gotta step up your game |
naw dude, we treat each other from time to time man. like ive said before, whats wrong with hookers? hmm...? nothing.
I mean, i didnt even feel like going out, they didnt want to go to a club or bar, so what else is there to do? |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Dec 2005 14:52 Post subject: |
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| Praetori wrote: | | ollax wrote: | | Praetori wrote: | | I'm not from Scandinavia and I do not think Sweden is the leading Scandinavian country, I think Norway is. |
What you think doesent really count now does it? Since you obviously doesent know what you are talking about you are disqualified from any further opinions on the subkect! |
For one, Norway has the highest HDI (Human Development Index = quality of life) rating out of EVERY UN country. Thus, safely say the entire world, and has kept that position for quite some years now.
Your turn, and I'm out of here. I don't really care about a fight between Scandinavians, I'm from the Netherlands myself and have no ties whatsoever with Scandinavia. Except for little-gamers, a swedish webcomic I used to read.
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How about Battlefield 1 and 2
Swedes produce cars, fighter jets, cellphones etc! Norwegians live of of oil money.
That doesent tkae much brains ya know!
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What cars do Sweden produce nowadays? We've sold our car industry to France and USA.
Finland has cellphones too (Nokia, remember?), as for fighter jets, how many nations use our so called "great fighter jets"? JAS 39 Gripen for instance, that's supposed to be the flagship of our air force, is that used in any large scale? No, not really, it's sold to countries such as Indonesia.
We do have scandinavia's largest weapon export though. Whether that is something to be proud of, that I leave up to you.
I say it's rather hypocritical of a nation that poses as neutral, argues for peace, and proclaims "our ideals are better".
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Dec 2005 16:37 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | What cars do Sweden produce nowadays? We've sold our car industry to France and USA.
Finland has cellphones too (Nokia, remember?), as for fighter jets, how many nations use our so called "great fighter jets"? JAS 39 Gripen for instance, that's supposed to be the flagship of our air force, is that used in any large scale? No, not really, it's sold to countries such as Indonesia.
We do have scandinavia's largest weapon export though. Whether that is something to be proud of, that I leave up to you.
I say it's rather hypocritical of a nation that poses as neutral, argues for peace, and proclaims "our ideals are better". |
Thats not the point! they are still built/developed here We have the capacity to produce these things, whilst norway does not! Oh! And for JAS, ehh whats your point?
Oh! And please note that everything the fiiinnish know about industrialisation and so on , they have been learned by sweden! Ask anyone in finland with some insight into their industrialisation.
And needless to say is that you always whine about how bad it is to ba a swede, boho! What have you done lately to get this country up to your "standards"?
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| ollax wrote: | Thats not the point! We have the capacity to produce these things, whilst norway does not!
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Bollocks! Sweden has major debts, whereas Norway is nearly debt-free. Norway has the industry to manufacture cars (etc.) - in fact, they do so. No, they're not their own brands.
| Quote: | | Oh! And please note that everything the fiiinnish know about industrialisation and so on , they have been learned by sweden! |
Industrialisation is all about national economy and business economy, and economy is hardly exclusive to Sweden. There are no specific swedish unique traits in Scandinavia that make us more or less inclined toward doing certain things better. If you actually had studied some economic history, instead of talking out of your ass right now, you'd realize that the one single reason why Sweden had an economic advantage in the 50's - 80's was because our industries didn't suffer from war (bombings, invasions from other countries, etc). Instead, Sweden protected it's ass during the war, and could import their workforce for the latter part of the 40's up to the mid-late 80's. What was Sweden before that? A land in depression, with enormous social problems, hardly even a country to reckon with.
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Actually, my professor, who is a doctor of national economy , Aijo Toivo, came from Tampere. Are you saying that the things we learn in swedish universities is wrong? Wouldn't surprise me though. 
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And needless to say is that you always whine about how bad it is to ba a swede, boho!
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Actually I don't. I just didn't agree with how glorious you portray it to be. You behave sort of like american fanatical nationalists, who can't see their countries from a perspective.
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What have you done lately to get this country up to your "standards"? |
I've done what a man can do in a western country. I've worked, paid taxes, was in the military to do duty for my country, plus I've been three years in the swedish home defense. My family lost lives defending what Sweden should've been - but the government refused to take part of (I'm talking about Talvisota).
And that's it. My last thing I'll do, is repay my debt - and then I'm going to try and become an NZ-citizen. But I still have three more years of education to complete.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Dec 2005 16:55 Post subject: |
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Bollocks! Sweden has major debts, whereas Norway is nearly debt-free. Norway has the industry to manufacture cars (etc.) - in fact, they do so. No, they're not their own brands.
True! But its a real brainer to to be debtfree when you got oil! We have an export industry consisting of our own products, developed and built in sweden
| Quote: | | Oh! And please note that everything the fiiinnish know about industrialisation and so on , they have been learned by sweden! |
Industrialisation is all about national economy and business economy, and economy is hardly exclusive to Sweden. There are no specific swedish unique traits in Scandinavia that make us more or less inclined toward doing certain things better. If you actually had studied some economic history, instead of talking out of your ass right now, you'd realize that the one single reason why Sweden had an economic advantage in the 50's - 80's was because our industries didn't suffer from war (bombings, invasions from other countries, etc). Instead, Sweden protected it's ass during the war, and could import their workforce for the latter part of the 40's up to the mid-late 80's. What was Sweden before that? A land in depression, with enormous social problems, hardly even a country to reckon with.
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Actually, my professor, who is a doctor of national economy , Aijo Toivo, came from Tampere. Are you saying that the things we learn in swedish universities is wrong? Wouldn't surprise me though.
Whu dont you ask him about how much the finnish have learned from the swedes? How much technology they have gotten for free and so on!
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And needless to say is that you always whine about how bad it is to ba a swede, boho!
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Actually I don't. I just didn't agree with how glorious you portray it to be. You behave sort of like american fanatical nationalists, who can't see their countries from a perspective.
OH! but you do, you my dear sir are as ungratefull as the rest of the lot complaining! And you should move to NZ asap as your worth to this country is about nada!
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What have you done lately to get this country up to your "standards"? |
I've done what a man can do in a western country. I've worked, paid taxes, was in the military to do duty for my country, plus I've been three years in the swedish home defense. My family lost lives defending what Sweden should've been - but the government refused to take part of (I'm talking about Talvisota).
And that's it. My last thing I'll do, is repay my debt - and then I'm going to try and become an NZ-citizen. But I still have three more years of education to complete. |
How much did you pay for that education?
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| ollax wrote: | | How much did you pay for that education? |
A whole damn lot of taxes + I've got a student loan @ ~200K SEK.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Dec 2005 17:21 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | ollax wrote: | | How much did you pay for that education? |
A whole damn lot of taxes + I've got a student loan @ ~200K SEK. |
The student loan has nothing to do with the cost of your education!
And what iin your opinion, should your taxes cover?
How much did you pay in taxes?
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I doubt he's willing to share his financial sitation with a stranger on the boards like that to aid him in some kind imaginary pissing contest.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Dec 2005 17:32 Post subject: |
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| ollax wrote: | And what iin your opinion, should your taxes cover?
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Unlike the socialists, and the leftist parties (including the communists) I think that our public sector should in majority be privatised, and the taxes be lowered. It's good that we have an economic system that allows all of us to pay for our students education. But that's not the discussion here, because all of the scandinavian countries have this same oppurtunity.
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How much did you pay in taxes? |
This year, I haven't paid a whole damn lot, since I'm taking loans to finance my life whilst doing my education. (30 points / term). Prior to that I had a job with 130kr/h - you count if you're so interested in finding out what taxes I paid. Better yet, you can find those numbers in the Tax office (Skatteförvaltningen), income is a public figure, you know?
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| Praetori wrote: | | I doubt he's willing to share his financial sitation with a stranger on the boards like that to aid him in some kind imaginary pissing contest. |
I know of Ollax, he's around a couple of swedish forums I frequent. And, as I've already stated, those numbers are public in Sweden. Anyone can go and look at them, as long as they know who's income they want. I wouldn't go in a $ vs $-pissing contest with ollax, he's a whole hell of a lot richer than I am.
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| fisk wrote: | | ollax wrote: | And what iin your opinion, should your taxes cover?
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Unlike the socialists, and the leftist parties (including the communists) I think that our public sector should in majority be privatised, and the taxes be lowered. It's good that we have an economic system that allows all of us to pay for our students education. But that's not the discussion here, because all of the scandinavian countries have this same oppurtunity.
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How much did you pay in taxes? |
This year, I haven't paid a whole damn lot, since I'm taking loans to finance my life whilst doing my education. (30 points / term). Prior to that I had a job with 130kr/h - you count if you're so interested in finding out what taxes I paid. Better yet, you can find those numbers in the Tax office (Skatteförvaltningen), income is a public figure, you know? |
I know that they are public. And i do agree with you that we need to privatise more. The socialists and their friends will (god willingly) be history after the next election.
However i dont agree with you constantly whining over a country that actually provide you with some of the best healthcare and eductaion in the world for free! If the shoe dont fit you know..
And your telling me you are going to try to get a NZ citizenship when your done with your studies, why not go now? Finish your education over there instead, or is that to exspensive for you?
No country is perfect, but whwn it comes to scandinavia Sweden pwns the rest! Just make a list of achievments over the last say 300 years and no other scandinavian country comes even close. Period!
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| ollax wrote: | | ...a country that actually provide you with some of the best healthcare |
I've been in need of that "best healthcare", I don't wish it upon my enemies. I went through a pretty deep depression a couple of years ago, and the doctors treated me like shit. Because why would they treat their visitors with the respect they deserve? They don't get paid for quality of service, they can still do a piss poor job, and still get away with it.
That doesn't happen if you're coming to a private physician, or a private hospital. There, they treat the customers (the patients) as though it was their bread to live on. They respect them, and you actually get care. Our medical staffs are so undermanned and burnt out, you can be glad if the people that work there can tell your arm from your leg.
| Quote: | | ...and eductaion in the world for free! |
It isn't free mate. It's just that you pay it all your life, so you're used to it. In some cases, it's a good system. But in other cases, where quality of service is suffering because the state can't run them properly - you're fucked, free or not free.
| Quote: | | If the shoe dont fit you know.. |
I'm on my way man! Don't you worry!
| Quote: | | And your telling me you are going to try to get a NZ citizenship when your done with your studies, why not go now? |
A couple of reasons are friends and family, most of my friends will be out of this town (and some out of this country) within three years. As for my family, I want to stick by them so they (my mother in this case) can see her son graduate within reach.
If changing nations were just as easy as just going to another nation, and then becoming a studying citizen, then I would've gone a long time ago. NZ is pretty specific about who gets to migrate, and why. If you had some insight, you'd understand that it's a bit more complicated than going on a vacation.
| Quote: | | Finish your education over there instead, or is that to exspensive for you? |
Actually, it would cost about the same amount that I have to loan here in Sweden to live, and I would get a dorm room + food. Mind you, there are several advantages to studying there, but unfortunately it isn't so simple.
| Quote: | | No country is perfect, but whwn it comes to scandinavia Sweden pwns the rest! Just make a list of achievments over the last say 300 years and no other scandinavian country comes even close. Period! |
And a lot of those achievments, we haven't made on our own. Our mainstay of forces have been fins, our kings and queens (and regal power) have come from France, (and earlier, Germania). Our "proud" history is about as proud as anyone's. Nothing special. We tried to ally with Hitler, we supported Germany during the first world war, and we backstabbed quite a bit during the 18:th Century.
Moral standards haven't exactly been Sweden's strong point.
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| fisk wrote: | | ollax wrote: | | ...a country that actually provide you with some of the best healthcare |
I've been in need of that "best healthcare", I don't wish it upon my enemies. I went through a pretty deep depression a couple of years ago, and the doctors treated me like shit. Because why would they treat their visitors with the respect they deserve? They don't get paid for quality of service, they can still do a piss poor job, and still get away with it.
That doesn't happen if you're coming to a private physician, or a private hospital. There, they treat the customers (the patients) as though it was their bread to live on. They respect them, and you actually get care. Our medical staffs are so undermanned and burnt out, you can be glad if the people that work there can tell your arm from your leg.
| Quote: | | ...and eductaion in the world for free! |
It isn't free mate. It's just that you pay it all your life, so you're used to it. In some cases, it's a good system. But in other cases, where quality of service is suffering because the state can't run them properly - you're fucked, free or not free.
| Quote: | | If the shoe dont fit you know.. |
I'm on my way man! Don't you worry!
| Quote: | | And your telling me you are going to try to get a NZ citizenship when your done with your studies, why not go now? |
A couple of reasons are friends and family, most of my friends will be out of this town (and some out of this country) within three years. As for my family, I want to stick by them so they (my mother in this case) can see her son graduate within reach.
If changing nations were just as easy as just going to another nation, and then becoming a studying citizen, then I would've gone a long time ago. NZ is pretty specific about who gets to migrate, and why. If you had some insight, you'd understand that it's a bit more complicated than going on a vacation.
| Quote: | | Finish your education over there instead, or is that to exspensive for you? |
Actually, it would cost about the same amount that I have to loan here in Sweden to live, and I would get a dorm room + food. Mind you, there are several advantages to studying there, but unfortunately it isn't so simple.
| Quote: | | No country is perfect, but whwn it comes to scandinavia Sweden pwns the rest! Just make a list of achievments over the last say 300 years and no other scandinavian country comes even close. Period! |
And a lot of those achievments, we haven't made on our own. Our mainstay of forces have been fins, our kings and queens (and regal power) have come from France, (and earlier, Germania). Our "proud" history is about as proud as anyone's. Nothing special. We tried to ally with Hitler, we supported Germany during the first world war, and we backstabbed quite a bit during the 18:th Century.
Moral standards haven't exactly been Sweden's strong point. |
I bet you are still not over your medical issues since you are bitter and constantly claim everything to be "bad" or "crap" or whatever. Its a pitty you fail to see the big picture, i wouldnt want to live in the fisk world either! Do you really think thats going to change by moving?
You kind of remind me of marvin in the HGTTG and i refuse to keep arguing about everythin with you, nomather how little the thing you always whine about it being crap.
If you can give me ten qoutes of you being trule positive of anything i'll promise to get you drunk the next time you get to sthlm!
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| ollax wrote: | | I bet you are still not over your medical issues since you are bitter and constantly claim everything to be "bad" or "crap" or whatever. |
You do have a point that I have a tendency to see things in a rather negative light. But that this would be some exclusivity (meaning, that I'm negative all the time) - that's just wrong. If you'd know me, you'd never even think of such a thing.
What I am though, is highly critical towards the things that affect me negatively. Because I have a distinct conviction that those factors are highly unnecessary. Sometimes life gives you a shitstick and a whole sea to puddle through though, something I don't know if you've ever been involved in, but if you have - I doubt you'd have such high regard for eg. the hospital system here.
You say Sweden is great, well fact is - it isn't to me. If you think Sweden is peachy, then good for you! Sweden has thus far given me an ocean of shite to sift through, and I'm getting sick and tired of all the dregs I meet, particularly that represent the public sector, and our politicians. Honestly, have you ever met a swedish politician, that weren't a diplomat who would rather lie to you to get you to agree with him, than tell you the truth straight out?
To me, nationalism is about the most stupid thing we humans have invented since religion.
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What you mean, my highly clueless friend. Is that I see the big picture, and seeing it, makes me see that a country such as ours - where unemployment is about as common as hair on your head, is no future for someone who wishes to make a career out of his life. In terms of career, I'd actually rather live in the US. Fuck, what do you get for a job after your education in this country? Two of my class mates have masters, and they push shit jobs with the same wages you get as a fucking clerk in England.
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No, I do not "think", thinking something will happen, is the same as not thinking it. You never end up getting it done, and it remains a dream. So the answer to your question is "No". I know it will change.
| Quote: | | you always whine about it being crap. |
You certainly are methodical when you write your bullshit. Since we're in a moment of remembrances, you remind me of that free religious dullknife Runar Söögard. First of all, the reason we're even having this discussion is because you and me are having a difference of opinion on Sweden as a country. If you can't handle me backing up my arguments with facts, then just say so - tell me "I like it here", and you'd be done with it.
But if you say: "We do this and this", and it's just baseless spatters of an overzealous quasi-patriot, then don't expect me to buy it as if what you were writing were facts, because it isn't. Every argument I've presented to you (from national economy, to Swedish history) is true. Irregardless of my emotional disposition.
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If you can give me ten qoutes of you being trule positive of anything i'll promise to get you drunk the next time you get to sthlm! |
I'll do you one better. If you find ten quotes of you presenting an argument that is based on empirical/scientific or positive ground (and none of that subjective 'touchy feely' stuff) - I'll get drunk for the first time in 7 years. And I'll even take a picture of it.
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The problem you have is that you only see what you want to see. In your case all the things that is bad with living in sweden, and you argue your point from there. Theres actually som things that are good to. And about politicians lying... thats a surprise ,do you think they dont lie in NZ? And healtcare is not as bad as you claim it to be, i dealt with them pretty much all this year and considering it cos me only €20 i wouls say i got pretty damn well tahen care of with surgery and stuff! That you did not have a good experiense with the healtcare does not men that it is generally bad! I dont think sweden is all peachy but it could be a lot worse, theres unempoyment all over the world, not just here dude! And that your friends have shitty jobs is pretty much their own fault since there is plenty of jobs if you are qualified!
You bash the socialist governement of sweden for not being able to provide you or your friends with adequate work and that statement alone is as socialist as they get!
As if it were a god given right to have a job, wake up and smell the fucking coffe. The only responsibility here lies with your lazy assfriends, they should get their thumbs out of their asses and get the jobs thay think they deserve, instead of acting like a true communist and lay the resonsiblility on someone else!
Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most!
"Ozzy Osbourne"
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| ollax wrote: | | The problem you have is that you only see what you want to see. |
That sword is double edged, my friend. And you sure gave yourself quite a whacking in the head before attacking me. No harm, no foul.
| Quote: | | In your case all the things that is bad with living in sweden, and you argue your point from there. Theres actually som things that are good to. |
I have -never- said that Sweden is all bad, you just assumed so, to make it easier for yourself to counter argue.
| Quote: | | And about politicians lying... thats a surprise ,do you think they dont lie in NZ? |
You're missing the point here. And I think it's pretty much useless to argue it with you, you'd remain in defense of this nation, even if I had a strong enough empirical base that would give me the Nobel prize.
| Quote: | | And healtcare is not as bad as you claim it to be, i dealt with them pretty much all this year and considering it cos me only €20 i wouls say i got pretty damn well tahen care of with surgery and stuff! |
In the ollax world, where one case constitutes a basis for argument, I'm sure that it's viable to use this to counter thousands and thousands of cases of malpractice in the public sector. You never attended any higher education, did you? You'd at least get -some- basis on how to compare/correlate analyzed data.
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That you did not have a good experiense with the healtcare does not men that it is generally bad! |
Certainly not! But this isn't an exclusive case. Look at our psychiatry care, and the suicide rates, plus how the queues to the rehabilitation within these areas are. You're talking about things you've never studied (I do it quite a lot, since I'm currently studying sociology). Our clinical health care is pretty good, I agree, but it has problems with quality of service.
Did you notice how Sweden, after the 90's had a plunge in psychological health, whereas health care for these people remained the same (which generated enormous amounts of people who either became pre pensionated, or stuck in a queue)? Most people know of people nowadays that were "burned", and whether you believe in it or not, the treatment of a rather hefty amount of people isn't cared for.
Because we couldn't handle that, a whole lot of state resources are wasted on paying people for staying in their homes, and not getting well. They stuff them with psychopharmaceuticals (which is about the same as storing them on ice).
I don't know if you just close your eyes and wish these things away, or that you just don't care. In either case, these issues are facts.
| Quote: | | I dont think sweden is all peachy but it could be a lot worse, theres unempoyment all over the world, not just here dude! |
Unemployment sure is a problem all over the world. You got that one right!
| Quote: | | And that your friends have shitty jobs is pretty much their own fault since there is plenty of jobs if you are qualified! |
I'll be sure to tell them that Mr. ollax with all the clues knows their unemployment is their own fault.
| Quote: | You bash the socialist governement of sweden for not being able to provide you or your friends with adequate work and that statement alone is as socialist as they get!
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-HELLO!- how about you wake up of that porridge you have stuck in your eyes. Since you've been missing what I've been saying, I -know- you aren't paying attention, so I'll simplify it for you:
1. High taxes = high taxes for industries and companies.
2. High taxes make industries and companies outsource, and move out of Sweden.
3. Our main industries leaving Sweden = less tax money for the state = higher tax.
4. Companies that move out of Sweden = less work.
The solution:
1. Privatise the public sector as much as possible. Lower the employment taxes for companies (to motivate them to remain here/move back here).
2. Lower employment taxes makes it easier for smaller businesses to employ personnel, and gives birth to a more stable economy. With lower taxes, you can run a middle-sized business without going bankrupt due to immense taxes on employment [you do know that personnel is the highest costs in most industries in Sweden, right?]
Actually, generating more jobs is an a-political agenda. But the socialists and leftists don't want to change the current instable system.
Now, if you actually paid attention here, you'd start to see that the way of the state reflects on the way of how society works. If you need to move out of Sweden to make a career for yourself, then that's bad for our country. That means that most highly educated people find it more profitable to move out of Sweden too.
Do you get what that means in the long run?
Big companies move out of Sweden, highly educated people move out of Sweden...
| Quote: | | As if it were a god given right to have a job, wake up and smell the fucking coffe. |
People get jobs where they get better benefits. If that means moving outside of this country, then they will.
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The only responsibility here lies with your lazy assfriends, they should get their thumbs out of their asses and get the jobs thay think they deserve, instead of acting like a true communist and lay the resonsiblility on someone else! |
Now you're just blind to reality. They most likely will find a job, but somewhere in a market where the economic system isn't as fucked up as it is here.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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My lvl of education should doubtless be on pair with yours!
I jus prefer to se things diffrently! I refuse to accept your doomsday mentality since its only in your head. ANd ppl does not need to move abroad to have a career! Climate to start new businesses is horrible i agree. Yet there is still plenty of them getting started everyday.
And it is still your indiviuall responsibility to get a job!
Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most!
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| Quote: | There's a misconception here.
It's not expensive in Norway for norweigans. They earn more money, and therefore their industry acclimatises to those circumstances. To norweigans, it's cheap to buy in Sweden, but that's because Sweden is a weaker economy than Norway. |
not everyone who lives in norway are going to have wellpayed jobs i bet alot of the population thinks its expensive ,and why should things cost more because a country is rich ? most things will be imported so they shouldnt cost a stupid amount of money.
unless the goverment likes to add lots of taxs just because people can afford it forcing prices to be far higher than other countrys which doesnt make much sense to me.
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| snop1050 wrote: | | Quote: | There's a misconception here.
It's not expensive in Norway for norweigans. They earn more money, and therefore their industry acclimatises to those circumstances. To norweigans, it's cheap to buy in Sweden, but that's because Sweden is a weaker economy than Norway. |
not everyone who lives in norway are going to have wellpayed jobs i bet alot of the population thinks its expensive ,and why should things cost more because a country is rich ? most things will be imported so they shouldnt cost a stupid amount of money.
unless the goverment likes to add lots of taxs just because people can afford it forcing prices to be far higher than other countrys which doesnt make much sense to me. |
Its allmost to easy.. its like the jobs come after you
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