I dont start posts often, but this actually bugged me. People on youtube upset and literally crying tears on camera how their channel lost its ability to make money over some misuse of copyright claims, and they dont know how they will have a living income now.
Granted a lot of it is legitimate copyright misuse and such of people trying to fuck other people over.
But still, it was a TOTALLY FREE service, that cost you not ONE dime to use, to make craploads of money.
I think its more "I uploaded shit to your servers, of my own free will, now you owe me something because I did that!"
You dont want that to happen, START YOUR OWN BUSINESS around your shit. Don't use someone elses free to use web portal, and then complain how you have no real control of if you have access to it, and of the process and procedures and the hoops to jump thru to get it back up.
You couldn't run a business on an angelfire page, and then get all up in arms that the site you used removed your page and your business is suffering for it. Why is youtube any different? Seriously. I mean I could see if you bought your youtube account, and it was verified as a business level account and you legally owned it. But youtube isnt that. Its a fucking video upload site that only thing they 'owe' you is that they dont claim the content is their property.
I personally dont think the term 'professional youtuber' is a thing. Its fake title that means jack all. If it is, then I'm a professional chrome browser content consumer. Because I use its free web stuff it to do things.
I guess my issue is, can someone explain what right that have to bitch? They didn't pay for the youtube account, they didn't pay for the right to use youtube. They have no say in what youtube does with their servers as they dont own any of them...
its equal to someone deciding to make a free to ride bus that goes around town, and anyone can ride it.
And when they shut it down, or telling you that you cant ride it anymore, raising hell that your income is in jeopardy because you used it to get to work for 4 years to make money and demand that they fix the bus system so you can still mooch a ride off it.
What reason do you have for that? None, they dont 'owe' you a ride. You paid them nothing to use it, and it cost you not one dime.
To sum up, dont get your panties in a wad when the publicly free service for everyone to use gets fucked up and you backed YOURSELF into a corner by relying on it for your income instead of taking that money and making your own fucking business around your 'content'.
Only it's not technically a free service if you monetize your videos. They earn a TON of money off the content people create. Money that would have otherwise gone to those people - so you see they might not be paying for it directly, but they are paying for it.
The right analogy is comparing youtube to a store. It takes a cut of all the sales it does, same as youtube does with ads.
Does that mean that every farmer on the planet should go open up their own store, if the store they're currently selling at is fucking them over on the rates?
All I see is some jealous rambling... without the balls to just admit it.
I hate most of them for the same reasons... not shy to admit it though.
Besides, making money on youtube is like gambling. Some make it big so they'll never have to worry about financial things ever again, some just get by and some are gambling their live away. As soon as their streak is over... they'll hit rock bottom and struggle on the job market. Just like Leo said.
This applies to many things in our society though. Youtube money is just another thing on the pile of "Unfair"ness in this world. As we all know, live isn't fair and we have to deal with it.
But I guess venting about it once in a while is absolutely a-ok
All I see is some jealous rambling... without the balls to just admit it.
I hate most of them for the same reasons... not shy to admit it though.
Besides, making money on youtube is like gambling. Some make it big so they'll never have to worry about financial things ever again, some just get by and some are gambling their live away. As soon as their streak is over... they'll hit rock bottom and struggle on the job market. Just like Leo said.
This applies to many things in our society though. Youtube money is just another thing on the pile of "Unfair"ness in this world. As we all know, live isn't fair and we have to deal with it.
But I guess venting about it once in a while is absolutely a-ok
I thought DX already clarified his position on this though? I read it as a simple "stop whining about it" to the youtubers kind of post. There was so much more to it because DX likes to further discuss it other than post one liners.. Is that it DX?
Well, those who just bitch about 'ohh noes, how r I gonna get me monies now!" I don't care about.
As those are just not interesting to me, at all.
I'm thinking of this guy mostly.
That's some major butthurt.
"Oh noes, that nigga reacted to a video of me blablablaing for 15 minutes and all he added was seven words, he stealz moniez from my hard blablablabla work!!11"
Youtube fucktards; 20 years ago, they'd be flipping burgers or cleaning toilets. But leave it to fucking millennial tardos keep this "industry" with retards like pewdiepie becoming millionaires. Poor guys, sit all day, yap for 10 minutes, cut it into a 20 minute video and cry about the hard work that went into it oh noes. Allow me to shed a tear for the poor souls.
Remember back when YouTube was filled with content by people that actually did it as a hobby? Before the retards asked you to "rate comment subscribe?" To "let me know what you guys think in the comment section bellow"? Dear lord, what a cesspool Youtube is nowadays. I've been away from all this drama, but taking a look just reminds me why. Ugh.
So what exactly is your point or you just wanted to rant?
All I see is some jealous rambling... without the balls to just admit it.
I hate most of them for the same reasons... not shy to admit it though.
Besides, making money on youtube is like gambling. Some make it big so they'll never have to worry about financial things ever again, some just get by and some are gambling their live away. As soon as their streak is over... they'll hit rock bottom and struggle on the job market. Just like Leo said.
This applies to many things in our society though. Youtube money is just another thing on the pile of "Unfair"ness in this world. As we all know, live isn't fair and we have to deal with it.
But I guess venting about it once in a while is absolutely a-ok
Im not jealous, I wouldn't want a monetized youtube channel, I wouldn't even do it for a tiny $50k a year with an average traffic channel, much less a HUGE traffic one.
Idiots, trolls, and 12yo spamming you, your comments, etc. Fuck that. Running a minecraft server with 100-150 total members over its life was enough "people of the internet" for me to want to deal with daily.
Like I said, if they make 4 million a month off it. Great for them, they found a sweet spot of easy money. More power and praise to them. I'm just pointing out that risking your whole income on such a finicky, personally uncontrollable system, such as 3rd party sites, and crying victim for your own short sightedness in diving into it with a "now full time, quit my real job" attitude is your own fault. Not anyone else's.
To me I cant help but think of them having this logic:
"Hmm I upload my content to them, where they have sole say on if it stays or even can be published on their whim, a strike system that I cant have a say in, a copyright system that I have to rely on them and their legal team that may not even care about my videos to look into it, and a payout system that can be shut off for any one of a myriad of reasons out of my control? Hell that sounds fantastic and a reliable full time career choice! let me base my income and families well being on that!"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Whats the actual situation? maybe I missed it in all the back and forth.
I sincerely didn't see it directed at me, other than the copyright abuse one. And that's a totally different horse than what I'm talking about (its caused this one, but not the one Im saying is the reason of my rant). And the youtube upholding its own rules one. And that's not related to my complaint either other than people complaining youtube isnt being fast enough with their legal team, to help them, for free.
And when have I knocked their choices? I was merely saying accept your choices. If you want to live fast and loose with financial stability, so be it. I'm not one to judge. But dont get upset when the fast and loose part shows up.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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To me I cant help but think of them having this logic:
"Hmm I upload my content to them, where they have sole say on if it stays or even can be published on their whim, a strike system that I cant have a say in, a copyright system that I have to rely on them and their legal team that may not even care about my videos to look into it, and a payout system that can be shut off for any one of a myriad of reasons out of my control? Hell that sounds fantastic and a reliable full time career choice! let me base my income and families well being on that!"
So just because something is out of your control you shouldn't be using it? How is this different from your employer giving you a pay cut? You don't have control over that either? Or government introducing new laws or raising taxes which can cause companies to go under (i.e. new EU tax laws)? They don't have control over that either. Not being fully in control is not a good enough reason on its own - I don't see how normal jobs are separated from youtube jobs using your argument.
Again, creating THE content is a lot of work, posting it to youtube is a drag and click.
Its a choice to post the 'lot of work' content to it. You make it sound like the youtube part is the hard work part of it. Posting it anywhere is just as easy.
The choice to use youtube for all your hard work is the issue I have with people complaining about how they are screwed. You are giving up your own personal work to a company.
A painter wouldn't take all his paintings to a gallery and go "I dont want any binding contract with you, I will just hand my paintings over, hang them on the wall for me and give a $1 everyone time someone looks at it. Now IF you burn them, toss them in the trash, ban me from the gallery and give them away for free..I'm willing to give you the full right to do that you have control of it".
But somehow people with videos do JUST that..and complain.
Youtube is a business, with one goal in mind..make money. Like any business. They dont exist to purely be the white knights of the internet to make sure you and your videos are treated fairly. They do that as PURELY a money motivated objective. You make money they do. They have no reason to want to be the 'justice league of cat videos' making sure your video isnt wrongly striked other than it loses them money.
And again, everything you put in orange is by choice they do it, not law.
MY issue is people are acting like some human right was violated when they dont follow them. As if youtube is breaking some basic human right to make money on videos they uploaded to someone else's server for free. Youtube could change it tomorrow to "We at youtube give a fuck all about you users, and will remove all our regulations we put on ourselves to treat everyone fairly..good luck to you all!"
The best way to put it: When you want to start a career business making videos: and your host, legal team that fights for you, vendor, advertiser, and payment system is free...you get what you pay for.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Do I get this right? These people use/used youtube as a business model but now youtube changed their policies making these people loose money and of course they are pissed off. But DXWarlock thinks they should not be pissed off because there was no "contract" and they didnt asess their risk like they should have.
Somehow I get it, but when big companies have so many users relyin on their service, they also have a certain moral obligation to those users, since their former business model attracted those users/customers. Changing policies afterwards is a pretty lame move, since they know very well how much users rely on them. Then again, its capitalism. If the company decides, within the legal boundaries, to change their policies, thats their "right". But obviously customers will be pissed off.
edit: Ok, it seems like I dont get it.
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The best way to put it: When you want to start a career business making videos: and your host, legal team that fights for you, vendor, advertiser, and payment system is free...you get what you pay for.
It's not free, they take a cut of YOUR ad revenue.
And even if it was free, no reason it can't get better if people push for it.
No, its a self evident fact of personal ownership vs 3rd party ease of use. Its easy to understand.
You pay $9.95 for a domain and a few dozen bucks a month for a host. You got total control over your videos and which ones get taken down, what type you can post, etc.
You want to save $50 a month and the effort of learning to make a website (or paying someone to maintain a website). Your tradeoff is giving up all the rights to your videos to a company and the whims and speed of which they respond to you, and fight legal battles for you...for free.
I mean really. Can you not agree someone going:
"YOUTUBE! HALP! I have no legal team, or advisor or any of that. Someone flagged my video as copyright, can you and your legal team fight it for me, for free, and unlock my videos..and QUICK! I'm losing money here". (3 days later) "YOUTOOOB! Y U no reply?? I pay you guys good money of $0 to fight my legal battles...Unlock my video and deal with the aftermath if there is an issue for me! I gotz moneyz to make!"
Is a BIT demanding, and spoiled?
BearishSun wrote:
It's not free, they take a cut of YOUR ad revenue.
And even if it was free, no reason it can't get better if people push for it.
Soooo...free? it cost you literally nothing. because they dont take a cut of YOUR money, you take a tiny bit of THEIR money they make using your stuff. You got it backwards. Its thier ads that make the money. they aren't your ads. So it their money, they let you have a sliver of.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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It's not free, they take a cut of YOUR ad revenue.
And even if it was free, no reason it can't get better if people push for it.
Soooo...free? it cost you literally nothing. because they dont take a cut of YOUR money, you take a tiny bit of THEIR money they make using your stuff. You got it backwards. Its thier ads that make the money. they aren't your ads. So it their money, they let you have a sliver of.
When hosting yourself vs youtube, the only difference is through whose hands does the money go first. In the case of hosting on YT the youtube gets the money first and then pays you a cut. If you were hosting yourself and using some other service for promotion you would be getting the ad revenue but paying a significant portion of it to get that promotion/exposure you would have gotten through youtube. I can't see an important distinction.
No I'm saying their income is from the content of the users. Which still makes it their money they are making off your effort using their ad contracts on top of your videos. And they give you some of it.
Your video itself generates exactly $0 for you. You are not selling a product, or making a commercial, anyone viewing it as a video file makes you $0.
Thier popularity and ad contracts makes THEM money from your stuff. They give you some of it in exchange for letting them slap ads on your $0 generating video to generate money...that they give you some of as a reason to let them keep using it to make money.
They are renting your video so to speak. They are paying you an incentive to let them make money off of it. That incentive is they give you some of it.
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If I host a video on my own website, put ads on it, and promote it, how does that make me 0$? It makes me X dollars, and I pay Y% of that for promotion.
On youtube, they earn X dollars, and take %Y for promotion and pay me the difference. Same thing just different order.
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No Im saying without youtube or any ads..your video makes $0. Show it to 40,000 people on your phone as a mp4..how much did you make? $0.
Im saying the reason you are getting money is youtube is paying you, to allow them to make ad money off your stuff. They are paying YOU based on how well you attract people to watch ads. You get no people, you get no money from youtube. You make youtube $100, they slip you a fiver and say keep up the good work. Your video makes you no money in and of itself. Youtube makes money off your video views, and slips you some so you keep making more to make them more money.
And I agree bear the only difference is whose hands it goes thru. You let youtube have your video, vs you controlling it on your own site with ads. IT goes from you making ad revenue, to youtube making it, and sliding you a few bucks of it.
I fail to see how when youtube gets the vast majority of the money and you get a little slice of it, how you can still think its "its my money and youtube takes a cut".
It would be like you loaning me your lawnmower and I start a lawn mowing business. Im using your lawnmower finding people to make money off of, and giving you 10% of it. Would you say that you are making that money with the lawnmower, and I'm just taking a cut for my work I put into finding customers for it? OR that I'm making money using your lawnmower and paying you some of it.
None of that money was 'yours' to start with. I didn't take 90% of your money from that lawn I cut. I gave you 10% of the money I made for the lawnmower use. It would be equal to that. You saying "Hey you're taking 90% of MY money to mow lawns". No there wasnt $100 there for you, there was $100 there for me, I needed your stuff to get it so I can give you a little of it.
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Remember back when YouTube was filled with content by people that actually did it as a hobby? Before the retards asked you to "rate comment subscribe?" To "let me know what you guys think in the comment section bellow"?
No Im saying without youtube or any ads..your video makes $0. Show it to 40,000 people on your phone as a mp4..how much did you make? $0.
Im saying the reason you are getting money is youtube is paying you, to allow them to make ad money off your stuff. They are paying YOU based on how well you attract people to watch ads. You get no people, you get no money from youtube. You make youtube $100, they slip you a fiver and say keep up the good work. Your video makes you no money in and of itself. Youtube makes money off your video views, and slips you some so you keep making more to make them more money.
And I agree bear the only difference is whose hands it goes thru. You let youtube have your video, vs you controlling it on your own site with ads. IT goes from you making ad revenue, to youtube making it, and sliding you a few bucks of it.
I fail to see how when youtube gets the vast majority of the money and you get a little slice of it, how you can still think its "its my money and youtube takes a cut".
It would be like you loaning me your lawnmower and I start a lawn mowing business. Im making money using your lawnmower finding people to make money off of, and giving you 10% of it. Would you say that you are making that money with the lawnmower, and I'm just taking a cut for my work I put into finding customers for it? OR that I'm making money using your lawnmower and paying you some of it.
None of that money was 'yours' to start with. I didn't take 90% of your money from that lawn I cut. I gave you 10% of the money I made for the lawnmower use.
It's semantics whether its my cut or their cut. I don't see how the percentage of how much they take changes the fact that I'm allowed to complain or not.
In fact the only correlation between the % they take and your right to complain is proportional. The more they take the better service you should have. Which is contrary to your point.
Its not semantics to me, it literal difference between you creating income on your own, and you letting someone else make money off you.
How in anyway can you say the 10 yards I cut was your money. I just happen to be the one using your lawnmower to get it, and I took a cut of your money to do it?
If its my business, and my customers, and my well known business that got the customers. And I borrowed your mower to do it, in no way was it "your money" I just happen to deliver it to you. It was MY money I earned off my customers and I paid you for the use of the mower.
It even states it somewhere, I tried to find it now but cant. That it states monetization that you allow youtube to generate ad revenue on your content and pays you a portion of the money generated.
Maybe that's the fundamental difference and why I see it totally different?
Some people go under the egocentric assumption youtube is taking a cut of THEIR money, and it makes it feel personal, as if they are being shafted after "all I did for them letting them have some of my money".
When in reality its them piggy backing the popularity, infrastructure and built in ad content that youtube offers, knowing that youtube can use their content to make themselves money, and give them some of it as a 'tip of the hat'.
I mean its self explanatory (to me)..why dont all these people make their own sites instead? They know youtube can make way more money off their stuff for youtube itself, than they can themselves and that the cut they get out of youtube pockets is more than that.
The ads aren't yours, the site isnt yours, the customer base isnt yours, the servers aren't yours, the recommended list you appear in isnt yours, but somehow its your money to start with? No it's totally theirs, they generated it exploiting (for a lack of a better term) your content you gave them, in hopes it would see them make enough money off it, to give you some of it.
Sure your content drove the customer to the site maybe. But its no different than art galleries. Artist put thier stuff in the galley, the galley has the customer base and recognition to bring them in. They hold a $50 a head viewing of all the artist in the galley today. THEY generated the money, and you get a cut for being a reason they could hold a viewing. Granted your content generated revenue, but it was for the gallery, you just got a piece of it for being in it.
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The artist need the gallery and the gallery needs the artists. Both profit from each other, both are dependent on each other. It seems to me that when the art gallery decides to change its policies to worse, the artists are going to complain. No?
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That's some major butthurt.
