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 Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 22:02 Post subject: DIY NAS - The Prodigy! |
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Hi all,
since my Synology NAS is oozing of bits and bytes from all pores I think it's time for an upgrade.
But this time, I will go with my own setup. No more "single purpose products".
Besides, the first thing I do with most of my devices anyway is rooting or otherwise tinkering with 'em.
My DS214play with 2x 4Tb WD red (RAID 1, 4Tb netto, only 14% free space left) shall be replaced with this little baby here:
Previous proposals:
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The webshop doesn't allow me to buy more than 2 of any single product, but I want 5x Seagate ST3000DM001 (3Tb per disk, 15Gb total storage, 12Gb netto from RAID 5) in my NAS, so I will have to buy 4 additional in total, because I already own one of them. So you have to add 2*89,85€ (179,70€) to the final price, which makes it 687,78€ in total.
Q: Why the CPU?
A: 'Cause it's powerfull enough for encryption in decent speeds and cheap.
Q: Why so much RAM, why DDR3-1600Mhz and why CL9?
A: 'Cause file buffer cache, dummy. Plus, this particular CL9er costs the same as all the CL11ers, so why the f' not?
Q: Why that motherboard?
A: 'Cause it was the cheapest (none-no-name MB) I found with 6 SATA ports and an integrated Intel RAID controller (planning to use RAID 5) that fits into the Mini-ITX case.
Q: Why the 60Gb SSD?
A: 'Cause that's where I plan to store the OS (Arch Linux) on. It's just big enough to fit every kind of software I will ever consider using it for (webservers, fileservers, mediaservers, anything really... ) and still the "smallest" practical size with best Gb/buck ratio.
Q: Why that case tho, bra?
A: BECAUSE IT'S AWESOME!!!! 5x 3,5" bays!!!! OMFG, I just came inside.... 
Q: Why only a 300W PSU?
A: 'Cause Pumpy said it were enough.
Just look at it:
http://www.bitfenix.com/global/es/products/chassis/prodigy/
 
 
So, what do you guys think? Any obvious issues with that? Still any recommendation to make?
Pls tell me! I don't know how much my current Syno will last me, but I'm planning to built this new baby some time after X-mas.
What I dont know yet is, whether or not I will sell the Synobox with the 2x 4Tb disks or un-RAID them from 1 to JBOD and keep it as backup. 
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New proposal:
I'm going fanless! Plus, I wont buy the Seagates ST3000DM001. Instead, I'm gotta take the two WD Reds 4Tb that I already have in my Synobox and move them to the nw NAS Box, so I only need to buy another 3x WD Reds 4Tb.
I'm also gonna put one 3Tb and one 2Tb HDDs in my Synobox instead (JBOD) and use it just for backups only.
Now because I only have to buy another 3 WD Reds to fill all 5x 3.5" bays in the case and because that Webshop is so cheap they only allow max. 2x of each product in the shopping card I am forced to let someone else buy the remaining WD Red for me with my money (I'm looking at Pumpy here...).
New price breakdown:
What you guys think? Final system will have 5x 4Tb brutto (12 Gb netto in RAID 6, 16 Gb netto in RAID 5) and I think I will rather use Linux Software RAID 6 (can take two disk failures at a time).
Also, is this HR-02 CPU-cooler enough for a 2.7 Ghz (54W TDP) Celeron Dual-Core??? I hope so, right?
UPDATE 15.12.2014:
I finished the physical part of building the Prodigy NAS box, all except the harddisks. (just the OS SSD)
Entire gallery:
http://imgur.com/a/eVTKC
Preview:
 
 
In fact, 2 of the 5 HDDs are still in my Synology NAS which I now need to backup, disconnect the HDDs, put in the 3 brand new ones and re-build the storage to a new RAID6 pool.
Also I have to install and configure (and experiment a little bit) witht the OS, before I connect the HDDs.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 22:55 Post subject: |
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don't go Seagate, get Intel
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 00:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 10:51 Post subject: |
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Openmediavault is very nice option for nas, have one at work running with 4x 2TB Raid 10.
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 14:22 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2014 20:46 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2014 22:51 Post subject: |
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That power supply is a bit too much.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2014 00:19 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2014 10:41 Post subject: |
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don't wanna hijack this thread but seems relevant to my problem.
so i became very interested in this topic. well not exactly NAS, but data backup in general, RAID1 i guess.
it's 2014 and i can no longer accept the thought of losing all data in a 3 or 4TB drive crash so i want to do something about it.
if i were to use pc dedicated to NAS like paxsali, do i have to use linux or windows 7 is ok too? i'm not a big linux guy and don't have time to learn how to set it all up in linux.
i would just buy NAS device but don't like the fact that their prices are really high and for that you get so many limitations, like many hard drives aren't supported etc.
any tips or recommendations are highly welcome.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2014 11:38 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | don't wanna hijack this thread but seems relevant to my problem.
so i became very interested in this topic. well not exactly NAS, but data backup in general, RAID1 i guess.
it's 2014 and i can no longer accept the thought of losing all data in a 3 or 4TB drive crash so i want to do something about it.
if i were to use pc dedicated to NAS like paxsali, do i have to use linux or windows 7 is ok too? i'm not a big linux guy and don't have time to learn how to set it all up in linux.
i would just buy NAS device but don't like the fact that their prices are really high and for that you get so many limitations, like many hard drives aren't supported etc.
any tips or recommendations are highly welcome. |
I'd say this thread would be a better fit for your post: http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100736 |
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2014 13:49 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | don't wanna hijack this thread but seems relevant to my problem.
so i became very interested in this topic. well not exactly NAS, but data backup in general, RAID1 i guess.
it's 2014 and i can no longer accept the thought of losing all data in a 3 or 4TB drive crash so i want to do something about it.
if i were to use pc dedicated to NAS like paxsali, do i have to use linux or windows 7 is ok too? i'm not a big linux guy and don't have time to learn how to set it all up in linux.
i would just buy NAS device but don't like the fact that their prices are really high and for that you get so many limitations, like many hard drives aren't supported etc.
any tips or recommendations are highly welcome. |
use debian on a qnap nas, its not alot of linux know-how you need to set it up, a few tuts and thats it.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2014 16:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2014 08:41 Post subject: |
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been reading some more about this and turns out it's way more complicated and requires way more money and planning than i anticipated.
if i want something proper, like RAID5 for example, i can't use current drives that i have now as they are all different sizes with only two being 3TB.
so ideally i would need to buy 4x8TB drives and run them in RAID5 which would give me 24TB of usable space and allows 1 drive fail before any data is lost.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2014 11:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2014 13:38 Post subject: |
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ok so building and managing a custom NAS might not be ideal for me right now as i have to get familiar with this stuff and i don't have much time to tinker around with custom builds.
so now i'm eying Synology 414 which seems like it has everything i need and is perfect for a NAS beginner. also, Synology Hybrid RAID they provide seems very good.
drives i'm considering are WD Red 6TB NAS drives WD60EFRX (4 drives total) because Synology doesn't seem to support 8TB drives yet and their availability is very limited anyway.
and lastly can you recommend me a good router so i could max out this NAS baby with ease.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2014 14:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2014 14:45 Post subject: |
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You might wanna check out ASUS routers, they are very good and there is cheap ones aswell.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2014 15:57 Post subject: |
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this one any good? http://www.asus.com/Networking/RTN66U/
basically i just need a router that is rock solid in 1Gbit wired network. wireless speeds can be slower, don't care much about it, that shit is just for phones and tablets anyway.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 10:42 Post subject: |
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been reading some more about NAS and i'm having doubts again. seems like drives in NAS die way way more often than in normal desktop PC use, even when NAS is just used for archiving with little activity going on, because of all the segmenting needed for raid, or what it's called, which is super stressful on hdds. on top of that, expanding or rebuilding takes days of constant hdd torture, which can lead to more drives dying.
maybe i'll just settle for a very small PC with windows7 and a bunch of RAID1 volumes. this sounds very nooby but it seems to be very safe, relatively low cost, and low maintenance.
i'll be able to use only 50% of disk space, but on the other hand i can buy way more hdds by not buying Synology unit.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 10:50 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | What? There are practically only Seagate and Western Digital for HDD manufacturers left (of the really trust-worthy).
And Intel only does SSD's afaik... |
Doesn't Seagate have a big fail rate overall?
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 11:39 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | been reading some more about NAS and i'm having doubts again. seems like drives in NAS die way way more often than in normal desktop PC use, even when NAS is just used for archiving with little activity going on, because of all the segmenting needed for raid, or what it's called, which is super stressful on hdds. on top of that, expanding or rebuilding takes days of constant hdd torture, which can lead to more drives dying.
maybe i'll just settle for a very small PC with windows7 and a bunch of RAID1 volumes. this sounds very nooby but it seems to be very safe, relatively low cost, and low maintenance.
i'll be able to use only 50% of disk space, but on the other hand i can buy way more hdds by not buying Synology unit. |
I'm not sure have you understood the whole point of a NAS station. All drives are definitely not the same. Some are better than the others. If you use your NAS properly with the right settings you wont destroy your HDDs that fast. Eg. there is no point of parking the drive all the time like Windows might do with the default settings. Also please do not think that RAID is solving your backup challenges so you better have backups even with the enterprise RAID setups. So if your backups are done properly there is no worry that RAID failure will lose all your data.
ps. FreeNAS can be build on a old Intel Dual Core PC with about 4GB RAM etc.. so it doesnt need to be that good for low home usage.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2014 15:02 Post subject: |
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(personally my nas is running from an usb install off freenas)
times when mobo 3x more expensive than cpu
