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DXWarlock
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 Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 22:48 Post subject: How much memory (RAM) and cache does humans have? |
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Me and a friend somehow got on the topic of it.
And made the distinction that memory isn't storage of past events, that would be HD storage to access or load later.
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"Long term" would be HD storage.
"Short term" memory would be system memory.
"Current active data" would be cache.
Cache would be how much data can the human mind hold on average that the brain is working with at the time on the current task.
I was saying its surprisingly small. maybe a handful of KB at best. (if you consider sentences, formulas, math equations, peoples names in a situation etc as broken up into bytes per character or concept).
Memory (short term memory) would be disposable non persistent data, currently loaded and needed, but not focused on data. ID wager it's 1MB at most before it gets either saved to long term (memories) because of importance, or overwritten with new data as time passes, lost forever (like ram).
its not really an apples to apples comparison, but I think enough parallels to make a concept out of it.
So in short, humans have HUGE storage drives for storing data to recall..but shockingly small cache and memory in the system. as well as a large multicore processor that can do many threads in the background, but it also is very very low on actual horsepower per thread.
In other words, we are the equal to a intel atom PC with 20 cores, running at like 66mhz at best (most of them running background tasks), with barely any cache and 1MB system ram..but with multiple raided 4TB drives stuffed into it 
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DXWarlock
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OH yea, why I said it wasn't apples to apples. and wasnt talking about the consistency or reliability of the drives to read the data accurately or in its full details. Long term memory would be more like tape backup than actual physical HD..the data can be altered, changed, unreadable the more its accessed. and older data can be read the 3rd or 4th pass that 'errored' out the first few times.
Was more talking on the limit of how much one person can process consciously at one time. Like math equations, large group of peoples names just introduced to, grocery list you thought up before leaving the house..etc. sure its dynamic on the amount, but its got a consistent range limit for the average person. After a point new data is lost, and the storage needs to be accessed to remember it (look at paper "OH yea, I needed milk too..I forgot that." It was saved in long term, but no longer in the active memory).
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 23:12 Post subject: |
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2.5 petabytes. Indisputable fact.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Sep 2014 00:08 Post subject: Re: How much memory (RAM) and cache does humans have? |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Me and a friend somehow got on the topic of it.
And made the distinction that memory isn't storage of past events, that would be HD storage to access or load later.
So
"Long term" would be HD storage.
"Short term" memory would be system memory.
"Current active data" would be cache.
Cache would be how much data can the human mind hold on average that the brain is working with at the time on the current task.
I was saying its surprisingly small. maybe a handful of KB at best. (if you consider sentences, formulas, math equations, peoples names in a situation etc as broken up into bytes per character or concept).
Memory (short term memory) would be disposable non persistent data, currently loaded and needed, but not focused on data. ID wager it's 1MB at most before it gets either saved to long term (memories) because of importance, or overwritten with new data as time passes, lost forever (like ram).
its not really an apples to apples comparison, but I think enough parallels to make a concept out of it.
So in short, humans have HUGE storage drives for storing data to recall..but shockingly small cache and memory in the system. as well as a large multicore processor that can do many threads in the background, but it also is very very low on actual horsepower per thread.
In other words, we are the equal to a intel atom PC with 20 cores, running at like 66mhz at best (most of them running background tasks), with barely any cache and 1MB system ram..but with multiple raided 4TB drives stuffed into it |
Are you running on windows 98 or what? Crazy shit.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Sep 2014 03:20 Post subject: |
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Personally @ 51 years of age...
Long term" Infinite storage.
Short term" What I was given at birth, but it is gradually wearing thin. I need an upgrade.
Current active data" I recall fuck all, and very slowly, unless it's something of great interest.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Sep 2014 06:29 Post subject: |
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On that topic, think about how many megapixels our vision is ^__^
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I dont believe the past personal memory is stored "inside" the brain in a material way. I think the brain is an instrument of selection considering attentive recognition and that brain damage does not lead to memory loss but to the impossibility of access of certain memories. What it stores though is objective habit-memory which can be reiterated by the simple need. Like learning how to drive etc. which doesnt need attentive recognition.
So it is less a question of "how much" of our past we can store inside our brain but how much of our past we can select and concentrate at the specific moment of need to help us with the recognition of the present object (or problem, since matter is problem).
Also what we call association is already a reflection on and the comparison of two past events as similar. The causal structure of association is an a posteriori detemination. It is not the real ontological relation between perception and memory. Its not the present perception that "causes" the past memory to emerge. Its the corporeal need to grasp the present perception that leads the brain to concentrate different planes of the past into the best description of the present perception. The virtual memory gradually adapts to the present perception, becoming itself an actual perception, activating the same centres of the brain.
If I were to compare the brain with a HDD I'd say it is comparable more to the habit-memory than real memory. We've seen through experiments, that the brain really adapts itself and grows to the need of more habit-memory (like Taxi drivers).
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Sep 2014 18:49 Post subject: |
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My memory is getting less and less every day
According to a benchmark i have currently about 21gb in use
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Sep 2014 19:16 Post subject: |
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40GB if you use a doubler, though you have to be absolutely sure you don't exceed your storage capacity otherwise you run the risk and danger of synaptic seepage.
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | 40GB if you use a doubler, though you have to be absolutely sure you don't exceed your storage capacity otherwise you run the risk and danger of synaptic seepage. |
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