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 Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:07 Post subject: Monitors and TV's, what's the difference? |
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Sounds like an obvious question perhaps, but with TV technology progressing all the time with many able to display the same resolution as many monitors.
What exactly is the difference? Let's say I bought a half way decent 32" TV, would I really notice much difference between it and my 24" monitor?
Please explain in layman's terms why I need to use a monitor and not a TV.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:15 Post subject: |
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lag, pixels.
the end 
and 27" is a good size no?
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:19 Post subject: |
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Can you elucidate young sir?
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:21 Post subject: |
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say whaaa
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:24 Post subject: |
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Explain please. Thank you.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:28 Post subject: |
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Input lag and pixel pitch.
Pixel pitch = size of the pixels; a TV obviously has bigger pixels, so if you're sitting closer to it, you'll be able to count them.
Input lag is more important though. That's the time it takes between an image being sent to the display and it actually being displayed. On the average TV this is much higher than on a monitor. Input lag of 20ms means every image is delayed by *at least* 20ms; for gaming that basically is like playing with a ping of 20 as opposed to the 0-5 we get on a monitor. Sounds insignificant but you do notice it.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:29 Post subject: |
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Pixel size is the most obvious. You sit close to the monitor, so you notice pixels easily. If you sit at the same distance from a TV, you'll see the huge pixels. If you sit far enough to not see the pixels, you won't be able to read the text. TVs are terrible as monitors for anything other than watching movies and playing games.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:30 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Input lag is more important though. That's the time it takes between an image being sent to the display and it actually being displayed. On the average TV this is much higher than on a monitor. Input lag of 20ms means every image is delayed by *at least* 20ms; for gaming that basically is like playing with a ping of 20 as opposed to the 0-5 we get on a monitor. Sounds insignificant but you do notice it. |
A lot of TVs can have all the processing disabled for a minimal input lag. |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:34 Post subject: |
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So TV's are OK for watching vids and playing games? Isn't that really the main thing we do on our PC's? What exactly are they not good for?
Excuse my ignorance and thank you for the replies
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:39 Post subject: |
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| Reg67 wrote: | | Isn't that really the main thing we do on our PC's? |
 No.
They are not good for web browsing, document editing, coding, general Windows work, etc. |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:43 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Werelds wrote: | | Input lag is more important though. That's the time it takes between an image being sent to the display and it actually being displayed. On the average TV this is much higher than on a monitor. Input lag of 20ms means every image is delayed by *at least* 20ms; for gaming that basically is like playing with a ping of 20 as opposed to the 0-5 we get on a monitor. Sounds insignificant but you do notice it. |
A lot of TVs can have all the processing disabled for a minimal input lag. |
Key word 
I mean really, do you know anyone who gets rid of all the stupid shit?  |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 21:46 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | I mean really, do you know anyone who gets rid of all the stupid shit? |
Yes, me. |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 22:05 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Werelds wrote: | | I mean really, do you know anyone who gets rid of all the stupid shit? |
Yes, me. |
Well, besides you and me 
I willing to bet that none of the PC haters here on the hump disable that shit on their TVs. |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 22:13 Post subject: |
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KC probably loves the effect of 200ms lag + 25fps + motion blur.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 22:36 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Reg67 wrote: | | Isn't that really the main thing we do on our PC's? |
No.
They are not good for web browsing, document editing, coding, general Windows work, etc. |
The LG tv I bought is just as clear as my monitor.....surprised the hell out of me |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2014 22:42 Post subject: |
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I use my LG as main PC Monitor. Switch it to PC mode and voila, no lag. Also it has a 47" IPS panel and because I am blind as a fish, I can't see any pixels from 1m away
The colors are mighty fine as well, so are the viewing angels. 100% satisfied with my TV as monitor as far as I can say ^_^
I do coding, tv, movies, photoshop, 3d modeling, video editing and of course gaming (fast shooters, racing games, simulations etc..)
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2014 17:25 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | I use my LG as main PC Monitor. Switch it to PC mode and voila, no lag. Also it has a 47" IPS panel and because I am blind as a fish, I can't see any pixels from 1m away
The colors are mighty fine as well, so are the viewing angels. 100% satisfied with my TV as monitor as far as I can say ^_^
I do coding, tv, movies, photoshop, 3d modeling, video editing and of course gaming (fast shooters, racing games, simulations etc..) |
So some TV's are as good as monitors? Now I'm confused.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2014 17:27 Post subject: |
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Some are, yeah. But you need to explicitly turn them into a "PC" mode like Pumpy says (I'd use that mode for consoles too).
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2014 17:34 Post subject: |
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20000 Hz supa dupa tru motion xtreme at 25 fps with 2 seconds input lag fashizzle ma nizzle
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2014 18:55 Post subject: |
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For gaming you will also need to pay attention to some specifics. For HDTVs extra fast response times are not a huge priority, for example, so depending on the panel, the image might be a bit more blurry than what you would get from a cheaper TN monitor.
Input lag also varies from model to model, even with the "Gaming" mode.
In general, unless you get some crappy TV, you will likely get a better image for your tastes from that rather than a monitor, but as was said, you will need to mind response times, input lag, and pixel pitch... also price - a decent TV is likely to be more expensive. Aside from those factors you can choose one just as you would a monitor - see reviews, get the best available for the budget.
Personally, I used my 46" HDTV for some PC gaming and occasional browsing (when I am too lazy to get off the couch ), and it was pretty good, but I always felt the need to sit much closer than your typical TV distance. The resolution is also an issue, especially with larger TVs. It's not bad, but you can see the difference if you compare it to some 22-24" monitor.
I think HDTV gaming will become much more interesting when 4K gaming becomes viable
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| The_Zeel wrote: | | 20000 Hz supa dupa tru motion xtreme at 25 fps with 2 seconds input lag fashizzle ma nizzle |
| Reg67 wrote: | | So some TV's are as good as monitors? Now I'm confused. |
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