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LeoNatan
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| skx7 wrote: | | google's android with freely available source code |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2014 11:02 Post subject: |
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| sTo0z wrote: | Nah buddy, I think you misunderstood.
What I meant was, it's easy as shit to pirate for iOS. 
What I meant by "starting over" was that I'd have to figure out an Android equivalent, which I just don't see why I would do that when iOS is so damn easy.
25pp even tells me when one of my pirated apps has an update available, I mean I click one button and it goes and updates any cracked apps it has an update for.
The one and only time I messed with Android was on the original T-Mobile G1, so like I said, it's probably easier now (to pirate!) but why would I switch? iOS is a great OS and does everything I want it to and more (with jailbreaking).
I would never compare the "out-of-box" Android vs. iOS because I'm only interested in where they can go. To me, iOS + jailbreak goes further/easier/more pirate-y.
More power to Android users, just have no reason to leave iOS as I'm heavily invested (have some purchased apps too!) |
Aha, you were talking piracy 
That I don't know really, I haven't pirated much on either iOS or Android although I do believe 25pp is available for Android too  |
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2014 12:05 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2014 12:10 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | The new timelapse is pretty cool
As is the 'add as contact' option you get in emails now
Haven't noticed much else yet |
Most of the stuff shown in iOS will only be truly presented once apps start taking advantage of the new APIs, which should only start in fall (November most likely). |
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(Nexus)
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Jun 2014 23:39 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2014 09:16 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2014 10:54 Post subject: |
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And you're implying iOS users do?
Hate to break it to you, but the average smartphone user wouldn't know security if it bit them in the face, because the average user is an idiot. If the app, or on iOS 8 extension, tells them it needs full rights, users will give them that. It's that simple.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2014 12:57 Post subject: |
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Doesn't matter, they are secured anyway by the system. I guess 99% malware on retardroid (figure from security firms) is just a lie paid for by Apple. Install, Anqry Blrds by Rovlo Mobile that steals all your contacts, sms messages, emails, list of installed apps and passwords. 
And on iOS, not sure if you are familiar  , you can install an app and then block its access to what it asks for. Not sure the people you hang out with, but the people I hang out with, the most casual "derps" out there - they all block by default and then ask me how to enable certain features. If these people block, I am quite confident a large majority blocks too.
The way extensions are implemented here is for maximum security. Can't even dump the memory of the host process because they are not in the same process, let alone system data outside of the sandbox.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2014 13:25 Post subject: |
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I was going to type a full response, but sorry, I can't be bothered if you're even going to throw at me, sorry Leo. I'm not some random fucking retard. And no, those casual people you hang out with clearly aren't casual. Hang out with my relatives or my clients, then you'll know what casual means.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2014 13:46 Post subject: |
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The derp was for your clear downplaying of important features.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2014 14:14 Post subject: |
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I wasn't downplaying anything but the users. Fact just is that a "casual" user really couldn't care less about any of that. That's what my remark was about, not about the actual security features. And it doesn't matter whether it's iOS, Android, Linux, Windows, OS X, BSD, Synology's BSD OS or your fucking washing machine, the "casual" user is an idiot and simply does not give a fuck. You said "andurroids" don't care. I'm telling you that "fanapples" don't either.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2014 14:19 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2014 18:58 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | That piece of shit marketing method got so bad that even Apple is clamping down on it ? Holy shit |
Yeap, it's terrible. I guess they saw the bottom line and figured more and more users will just go away. |
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(Nexus)
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2014 22:30 Post subject: |
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Can only do it if you root your phone. Guess what, all the bullshit android crap you jack off to, it was possible on jailbroken iOS too.
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(Nexus)
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2014 23:47 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 01:05 Post subject: |
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@ Leo: iOS7 JB actually makes proper custom keyboards possible? On 6 there was no such thing at least, nothing beyond some tweaks. Haven't jail broken my iPad since updating to 7 because I've barely used it in 6 months.
@ Nexus: MIUI is not stock. Most MIUI based ROMs are rooted out of the box. Stock Android does not have those permission toggles.
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 01:43 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 08:10 Post subject: |
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| (Nexus) wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | Can only do it if you root your phone. Guess what, all the bullshit android crap you jack off to, it was possible on jailbroken iOS too. |
No not on rooted phone, i use stock android (miui). |
You are more retarded than I thought. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 08:12 Post subject: |
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| cyclonefr wrote: | | Apps that put ads in the lock screen on Android come to my mind. So far this was not possible (until iOS 8 ?) because of limited sandbox features. |
It is now possible, if you add a widget. But Apple will actually block such apps. |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 10:37 Post subject: |
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| cyclonefr wrote: | | That being said, I'm an Apple user too (Macs, and iDevices). Both Android and iOS are similar, but iOS should be more secured than Android because the apps are sandboxed in a way they are isolated from most of the other files (they barely have access to anything...). |
Well contrary to popular belief amongst iOS users, it's not _that_ different on Android. Apps run within their own process space, it's a multi-user OS and has kept everything that comes with that (hence "rooting"). All the things that give Linux and UNIX in general sort of a "standard" layer of protection are still there.
The main difference lies in the fact that Apple is much more stringent on what passes into the App Store. For some things that's good, for others not so much; lots of apps have been rejected not because they did something nasty, but because they improved on something Apple did and Apple didn't want people to see that until they "came up" with the "innovations" themselves. That's why you barely see any apps that attempt to provider alternatives for built-in things anymore.
Besides that, the other difference is that Android prompts to user to give apps permissions as they install it, whereas Apple give each app a baseline set of permissions and will prompt the user for additional ones as they are required. For power users the former is preferable, for your average idio...err, user, the latter.
I have no doubt Google will bring back AppOps (Google it  ) in a proper form meant for end-users soon enough (I/O is a week away). That said, if/when they do, Android will have one advantage on that front, which is the granularity. Android has a much more fine grained system, iOS' is a bit higher level and more generic. I'd prefer Android to take the iOS approach and deny all permissions by default, but I don't think that'll happen.
| Quote: | | Apps that put ads in the lock screen on Android come to my mind. |
To put this into perspective before someone takes this as some kind of malware: what cyclone means here are apps one deliberately installs themselves to get fullscreen ads on their homescreen. Locket is an example of such an app and for some people quite interesting I'm sure, as what it does is not ads in the sense of "Axe XXX - smell good" but ads in the sense of links to website with things relative to your interests. That might be articles, reviews, funny clips/images and so on. They're ads in the sense that sites gotta pay them to get on there in the first place.
| Quote: | | Oh and btw, I don't have any antivirus on my Mac |
I don't have one on my Windows PC either, your point being?
Macs are just as vulnerable as Windows PCs are, there's just as many holes. Windows is just much more profitable to target because that's close to 95% of the market. |
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 11:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 12:01 Post subject: |
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@Werelds : my point being I can go to any porn site with Safari without any fear of catching a virus.
Can't say the same about windows and its built in Internet Explorer : I remember catching many viruses on some "dirty sites" without any windows defender (and maybe due to IE9).
Never had to update any of my OS X though to go on these sites safely : no problem with Tiger and good old SAfari.
Yeah I get that the issue is that these java malware are only using windows code because of 95 % of users using Windows. Hopefully it stays that way : the more people use windows the better : less interest in OSX malware
Yep I do know it s easy as hell on osx to just create a bash script with rm -R / and put it in the preflight of any installation pkg, but osx asks for your password first (kinda like cancel or allow since Vista...).
Now it s up to you whether or not you are installing crap on your OS.
I don't remember any cancel or allow when I had these java viruses on Windows 7 though back then. Most likely due to the fact that because of the vista hate, Microsoft made it less intrusive and less systematic (and thus less secure). Yes I do know when installing windows 7+, you can still use the Old Vista protection, but the recommended one is the less intrusive one, that most people will leave it by default since well.... It's recommended...
You cannot control this on OS X, even if you force it to allow the installation of unsigned content, it will still asks for root access.
Also, I prefer my OS to be made of many INDEPENDENT .plist that are not used if the apps isn't installed/ran rather than a big bloated registry file... If you see what I mean...
But let's not start an OS war here, I m just underlining why I mostly use OS X. I feel safe on here. Can't say the same about windows where I have to look behind me every now on then (although windows 8.1 with its built in bloated windows defender and ie10 are more secured to me, but I didn't stress test it much with dirty porn sites  ).
All in all : OS X since 10.4 = no virus browsing the web, ever.
Browsing sites on Windows 7 (don't remember vista, not even talking about Xp ) = caught viruses and windows didn't ask for my permission....True story. And don't tell me not to browse porn sites or not to use IE please. On OSX I'm not telling anyone not to do this and not to use Safari...
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 12:56 Post subject: |
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It isn't a stock android feature, just because it comes with your phone (Miui also sell phones with miui on it).
What I really wonder is, why leo feels entitled enough to call people retard and idiot left and right. Why do you even reply to people if only retards and idiots are around, except for you?
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 13:16 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | @ Nexus: MIUI is not stock. Most MIUI based ROMs are rooted out of the box. Stock Android does not have those permission toggles. |
Mine didn't came rooted out of the box, mine came with the stable rom and is stock. Developers rom is indeed a rom with root access. And yes for me it is stock, you bought the device like this.
| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | I don't know/care what fucking android you're using, but that's not on stock firmware. |
If you don't care then why reply ? actually it is a stock android from chinese people and it's called miui
| PumpAction wrote: | | It isn't a stock android feature, just because it comes with your phone (Miui also sell phones with miui on it). |
I know, i own a device from miui (xiaomi mi3)
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 14:13 Post subject: |
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| (Nexus) wrote: | actually it is a stock android from chinese people and it's called miui
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It is not a stock android.
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| Posted: Tue, 17th Jun 2014 14:24 Post subject: |
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There is only one stock android and you can check for yourself on google nexus devices what it looks like It doesn't have this feature. MIUI's android is a modification (I think of Cyanogenmod, maybe not anymore) of Android. You can't call the added features in there android features, because they are custom written code
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