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 Posted: Fri, 6th Dec 2013 22:14 Post subject: Terminator - new TV Series based on Terminator 1 & 5 |
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...it is back.
http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/terminator-tv-series-in-development-with-x-men-writers-1200926394/
| Quote: | “Terminator” continues to make good on its “I’ll be back” promise — this time, with a new TV show.
Skydance Prods. and Annapurna Pictures — the shingles behind Paramount’s 2015 “Terminator” reboot — have teamed to develop a fresh “Terminator” television series, hiring “X-Men: First Class” scribes Zack Stentz and Ashley Miller to write and exec produce.
TV project is said to follow a critical moment from the first “Terminator” film — where the film’s story goes one way, the upcoming television show will take that same moment in a completely different direction. Skydance and Annapurna expect the new “Terminator” TV series and rebooted “Terminator” film franchise to have intersecting narratives, as well.
Megan Ellison of Annapurna will produce the “Terminator” TV series with David Ellison, Dana Goldberg and Marcy Ross of Skydance. Laeta Kalogridis and Patrick Lussier are on board as exec producers.
This won’t be the first time that “Terminator” has received the small screen treatment. “The Sarah Connor Chronicles,” a spinoff from the film franchise, aired on Fox for two seasons, from 2008-2009. Both Stentz and Miller worked on the drama as producers and scribes.
The pair’s credits also include Fox’s “Fringe” and feature film “Thor.” They are repped by Principato-Young. |
Filmography of the showrunners:
| Quote: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zack_Stentz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Miller_%28screenwriter%29
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Andromeda (TV series) (2000-2005)
The Twilight Zone (TV series, one episode) (2003)
Agent Cody Banks (Screenplay) (2003)
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (TV series) (2008-2009)
Fringe (TV series) (2009-2010)
X-Men: First Class (Screenplay) (2011)
Thor (Screenplay) (2011)
Top Gun 2 (Screenplay)
Star Trek 3 (Screenplay)
Producer
The Twilight Zone
Terminator: Sara Connor Chronicles
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Dec 2013 22:44 Post subject: |
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No one cares about Sarah Connor. Despite having two films about her, she is never a very interesting character to care about. First, in both, Schwarzenegger is the star of the show; good or bad, people came to see him. Then you have Biehn steal the first one while Robert Patrick stole the second. Sarah Connor was never an interesting character. So they took that and made a serialized crap around it. Flawed concept if you ever saw one. BTW, likewise for John Connor. Why you think the last flick didn't work? Because who the fuck cares about John Connor, there was no Arnold in there so it failed. Even the third flick, despite being bad, is an order of magnitude better than Salvation because it has Arnold. Without Arnold there is no Terminator.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Dec 2013 22:52 Post subject: |
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"Robert Patrick stole the second"
eh what? I'll say Hamilton stole that one easily, she even outdid Schwarzenegger, even though he was, as you say, the star.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Dec 2013 22:58 Post subject: |
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I disagree. I found the two robots a lot more interesting than any of the humans. To me, Sarah Connor was more annoying in the second than in the first. While Furlong wasn't really good (not a good actor), his bond with the Arnold was well done.
I think Robert Patrick did very well in the second. He managed to portray a very cold and menacing character, while not having the crazy physique of Arnold. In the first one, when you see that behemoth, you are afraid of the terminator because it is huge. In the second, Patrick really did a great job to the end. The german actress that played the TX in 3 was terrible, on the other hand.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Dec 2013 23:02 Post subject: |
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I disagree. I loved Sarah as a character in the second.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Dec 2013 23:05 Post subject: |
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I guess they both did a very good job, i like Patrick's performance as well. Especially the part you mentioned, him vs Arnold. I also like the fact that Hamilton got into the part and buffed up, that made her character much more believable.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 01:01 Post subject: |
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Yeah this is what I mean, the whole cast was great in their roles, Hamilton included. Even Furlong wasn't bad, I've seen way worse kid actors.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 01:04 Post subject: |
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Filmography of the showrunners raises concern to say the least. 
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 02:28 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 06:15 Post subject: |
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She stood up against Arnold and Biehn on her own. I'd say that makes her a remarkable actress, not to mention Connors transformation in T2.
Why couldn't they have continued past TSCC?
Leo, Having arnold in T4 wouldn't have salvaged that god awful movie. Sure it would have helped, but the rest of the movie was pure crap.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 06:41 Post subject: |
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Sarah Connor was tough as fuck in T2, she was a great character. Linda Hamilton's performance was very good I thought
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 08:02 Post subject: |
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ALL the actors did a great job of their respective characters in t2, thats what made it such a fantastic film.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 09:29 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | ALL the actors did a great job of their respective characters in t2, thats what made it such a fantastic film. |
Edward Forlong is somewhat painful imo
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 13:10 Post subject: |
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would also like to know what it was about furlong that he hated, because the character himself was supposed to be a brat and a bit of a prick...
i think he did a fine job
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 17:15 Post subject: |
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I think you guys confuse actors and characters. Linda Hamilton is an excellent actress, and I really have nothing bad to say about her.
@nfo You are right, the series after 2 has not had any good writer, but Arnold adds to movies even with great actors. I think if there was no Arnold in the first, it is doubtful if there was a second.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 17:59 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | I think you guys confuse actors and characters. Linda Hamilton is an excellent actress, and I really have nothing bad to say about her. |
Sarah Connor's character progressed highly in the second movie. She went from being an average woman to an utter psycho mother who would do anything to protect her child. Her character in the first movie was quite a wimpy one, which was understandable, as she didn't digest the fact about her role in the future.
The first movie was utterly dominated by Arnold and Biehn. But to say that Sarah Connor was not an integral part of the second movie and that no one cared about her character is absolutely bullshit. She was every bit as important as any of the other characters. Her part was to knock sense into her son about his role to lead the human resistance. John was a brat with no sense of direction. Who do you think would have done that for him? Arnold? Enrique? or let me guess, Todd & Janelle?
Linda Hamilton did a phenomenal job as both, an actor and a character, of portraying the role of Sarah Connor. She was tough as nails and didn't back down at any point. So no, her character could not be dismissed.
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No, not dismissed, but certainly not hold entire TV series. And fact is, the TV show of her "chronicles" failed. Even if it was with Hamilton just as she was in T2, it would have still failed.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 21:16 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | No, not dismissed, but certainly not hold entire TV series. And fact is, the TV show of her "chronicles" failed. Even if it was with Hamilton just as she was in T2, it would have still failed. |
I not talking about the TV show. I'm merely talking about her character presented in the movies, as that is what it was meant to be. These 2 movies were created on a scale that no TV show would even be remotely compare to, let alone do justice to them. Heck, even it's following sequels couldn't hold a candle, then having a TV show is bad idea. It's not the character's fault, but the way the movie had created each personas. None of them would have lasted in a solitary role on any TV show.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 21:22 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | Hope they bring back Summer Glau at least  |
I like her but a Terminator she ain't.
Also it's unlikely this new show will share continuity with the previous one.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Dec 2013 21:42 Post subject: |
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Great way to find out if a character is well developed is to ask:
Who is he/she/it?
What are his/her/its dreams and hopes?
What drives the character forward?
Who does he/she/it have and want to have relations with?
What does he/she/it hate, and not want to happen?
How does he/she/it prefer to express him/her/itself?
So for example, Sarah Connor in T2
She is a very strong, brutally honest woman who has been through shit, she has mingled with criminals, and forgotten/does not care about earthly morality anymore because what does it matter when she realizes the earth will most likely end anyway.
Her main goal as a mother is for her son to survive, she's willing to make the world burn for it to happen. It is widely tied to why she pretty much goes insane, because her drive gets in the way of the consequences of her decision (which is why she eventually is put into a mental asylum).
She wants a relationship with her son, but it's difficult, she still has feelings for Johns father, mostly as a provider of protection for John, but also because of her memories. Any other relationship tends to get in her way, she utilizes people for their ability to drive her agenda forward - like learning how to handle weapons, and her ties with gun runners. Plan B is IF the machines win and she has to be a part of the defense of earth.
Obviously she doesn't want Skynet to happen and is even willing to compromise her fear of the terminator to accomplish the goal (this is the great oxymoron in her life in T2). And of course she does not want John to die.
She's a woman of actions, dialogue isn't her strongest asset. In many ways she is a speaker in shooting, fighting, and what little words she uses is mostly out of frustration because no one else "gets" it, that what she knows is the truth, and she's not fucking crazy (well sort of).
I think Sarah is very much one of the strongest characters in T2, the reason why T1000 is, or could be more appealing is because it is much more unconventional to consider it a part of a "collective AI" using rational means to covet the earth (so to speak), the end-goal or agenda of Skynet and the AI however remains a bit blurry and somewhat erratic. Wipe out mankind and then what? For a logical evolution of elegant machinery it seems to stumble and fall, and I think while one might see it as a character flaw, it does not provide any rationale whatsoever for it.
Hence, I too prefer Sarah to all the other characters, including John. For me, she is central in all aspects of what made T2 so good.
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Why cancel TSCC when it was finally starting to heat up again, only to announce a completely new and unrelated series? 
