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northern7

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Posted: Thu, 28th Nov 2013 00:33 Post subject:

LuftBrada wrote:

Sins of solar empire serie is great imo. Theres some newer dlcs for Rebellion which is already very nice.
Endless Space is more strategy and less space, battles are very restricted.

Isn't SOS Empire more of a RTS than 4x strategy. Is there diplomacy, ship building/design, empire building?

Raap

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Posted: Thu, 28th Nov 2013 00:41 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Isn't every strategy game being set in space called a 4x these days?

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zmed

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Posted: Thu, 28th Nov 2013 00:48 Post subject:

LuftBrada wrote:

Sins of solar empire serie is great imo. Theres some newer dlcs for Rebellion which is already very nice.
Endless Space is more strategy and less space, battles are very restricted.

Reminds me...

Star Wars Rebellion

Rough around the edges, buggy, some bad design decisions, etc. But damn, it's fun conquering the SW galaxy, sending iconic characters on missions, building armadas, etc.

The closest any game got to it was of course Empire at War, but it's a pale imitation. Sure, it has better gameplay design over all, but failes miserably to capture that certain something.

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northern7

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Posted: Thu, 28th Nov 2013 00:50 Post subject:

Epsilon wrote:

Sword of The Stars II. Theres really no issues with it any more.

hmmm...contradicts what I have been coming across. Been reading that it is still qwerky, has optimization issues, takes forever to play a round, and they (developers) are out of money and it looks like it will never get completely get fixed (though it looks nice).

Maxxify

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Posted: Thu, 28th Nov 2013 01:00 Post subject:

northern7 wrote:

if the combat doesn't do it for me, then everything else falls apart - what is the point in exploring, research, ship design, diplomacy, etc, if the fleet combat sucks. Quite the anti-climax as far as I am concerned. Any ways, that is my point of view.

I think anybody replying to you should keep this qualification in mind...

4x is an open-ended term. I mean, would AI Wars fit under that umbrella? There's also the turn-based versus real-time question. There are also different kinds of combat, some entirely hands-off (Endless Space). You want good combat, that's a start, but what other qualifications are there?

For me, the best real-time one with traditional RTS-style combat is Sins of a Solar Empire. The best turn-based with customization (which to me is crucial to the turn-based game, like in Alpha Centauri) is Galactic Civilizations II. If complexity is also important there are some superior indie or near-indie titles mentioned in this thread. Trying to find balance in some of those games can be difficult, though.

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northern7

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Posted: Thu, 28th Nov 2013 01:12 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Well, leaning towards SOS complete as it has a more simplifiy/streamlined empire building - but supposed to have fantastic tactical fleet combat. Read that GalCiv 2 does not have tactical combat at all yes, like I said, the fleet/ship combat is very very important to me. I would love to have something with the combat flavor of Nexus, with customizable/buildable ships, empire building, research, and diplomacy. Will look at Sins Rebellion (just downloaded it) and Haegemonia too - but there is a lot of stuff being thrown out there that isn't even close to what I am after...but I do appreciate the response (plus it is good info for others too).