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ollax
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| Double-=V=- wrote: | | Praetori wrote: | | Some people here make me sick. You think it's wrong just because it's a "lady" as opposed to a man? What happened to equal rights? Just because she's female she doesn't deserve better treatment. |
We don't care if she's a lady or a man, that's the whole point.
The point is, that she didn't act like a normal person would do in that situation.
Does that mean that the police can torture her?
Some of these replies are insane. How could she drive off when the police takes her keys? I didn't know if the did but they could have done so easliy.
Even if she just killed a mother with a three year old baby, it still wouldn't be ok for the police to torture her.
If you allow the police to torture certain individuals because they behave criminal you are living in a police state. And you all know that that doesn't work. |
Who the fuck tortured anybody?
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 18:21 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | ollax wrote: | | Who the fuck tortured anybody? |
You don’t see tasering as torture ? I suppose those screams where .. in my imagination were they ..
MaroW -- labeling someone a criminal . for misdemeanors .. traffic offences .. is bullshit
the law must balance what is right with what is respectful ... if you side to much with what is right by the law .. you fall into fascism .. you fall to far into what is respectful to the individual you fall away from what is right by law ..
a police officer is the representative of law & order .. this officer made it perfectly clear that he had no desire to speak to this woman no desire to extend her the slightest respect or consideration .. he only offered a warning because he had to by law ..
the officers were way out of line .. she was in no way a threat .. yet they chose to torture her .. because as ollax has stated they were free to do so by law ..
Read the beginning of this thread .. many of you guys thought it was so funny .. such fun to see someone being totally fucked over .. your hero’s .. bet you wish you could go around torturing people huh .  pity she wasn’t pregnant huh . you could have seen her miscarry it right their in the street .. what a good laugh you could have gotten out of that ..
About as funny as dead baby jokes .. IMo |
Well you are torturing me, you make my eyes bleed with all that rubbish you are writing!
You still dont recognize the chain of events that led up to her getting tazed, you only se the result and call the cop a facist who tortures black women, shame on you!
I'll write it again for you: What yours or my moral standards might be is unimportant, the law is what both him and her will get judged by, not by some mushy hippie in a forum crying about libertys and facism about "the man" but failing to recognize that she was the one in err and that she would never had been tazed if she had just been desent about the fact that she was breaking several laws!
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ollax
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 18:28 Post subject: |
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| ollax wrote: | | ChinUp wrote: | | ollax wrote: | | Who the fuck tortured anybody? |
You don’t see tasering as torture ? I suppose those screams where .. in my imagination were they ..
MaroW -- labeling someone a criminal . for misdemeanors .. traffic offences .. is bullshit
the law must balance what is right with what is respectful ... if you side to much with what is right by the law .. you fall into fascism .. you fall to far into what is respectful to the individual you fall away from what is right by law ..
a police officer is the representative of law & order .. this officer made it perfectly clear that he had no desire to speak to this woman no desire to extend her the slightest respect or consideration .. he only offered a warning because he had to by law ..
the officers were way out of line .. she was in no way a threat .. yet they chose to torture her .. because as ollax has stated they were free to do so by law ..
Read the beginning of this thread .. many of you guys thought it was so funny .. such fun to see someone being totally fucked over .. your hero’s .. bet you wish you could go around torturing people huh . pity she wasn’t pregnant huh . you could have seen her miscarry it right their in the street .. what a good laugh you could have gotten out of that ..
About as funny as dead baby jokes .. IMo |
Well you are torturing me, you make my eyes bleed with all that rubbish you are writing!
You still dont recognize the chain of events that led up to her getting tazed, you only se the result and call the cop a facist who tortures black women, shame on you!
I'll write it again for you: What yours or my moral standards might be is unimportant, the law is what both him and her will get judged by, not by some mushy hippie in a forum crying about libertys and facism about "the man" but failing to recognize that she was the one in err and that she would never had been tazed if she had just been desent about the fact that she was breaking several laws! |
Let me include a little qoute i like and it goes out to all you hippies here!
Jack nicholson in a few good men:
Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 18:29 Post subject: |
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yeh well... i guess ive clearly stated my point... im going to leave this thread alone now... and im not admitting defeat... im just running from your ignorance...
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 18:38 Post subject: |
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I just watched the video again. That's fucking excessive force if I've EVER seen it.
Since when is being mouthy to a fucking pig grounds for this kind of shit?
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 19:00 Post subject: |
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I think we all should watch it again & again until we .. see what actually happened to that woman ..
accepting this sort of bull is asking for worse . Imo
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 22:07 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | I just watched the video again. That's fucking excessive force if I've EVER seen it.
Since when is being mouthy to a fucking pig grounds for this kind of shit? |
How is this so hard for you people?
1) Officer demands the woman get out of her vehicle
2) Woman ignores officer, starts giving out directions on her cellphone
3) Officer threatens several times to use taser unless woman gets out of her vehicle
4) Woman defies officer, including the attempt to place her under arrest without the use of a tazer.
5) Officer zaps the woman, she is immobilized and placed into custody
She was causing the trouble and she had the opportunity to end the situation in a non-violent manner. She could have gotten out of the vehicle! What a radical thought! Do you stand in front of cars thinking "gosh, if this car hits me, its going to hit me with excessive force" or do you move aside and let the car pass?
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 22:11 Post subject: |
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Totally. That and he easily could have just pulled her out of the car rather than tasered her.
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The cop was doing was he had to do to insure his safety and public safety. I cant beleve how many of you think that the woman wasnt in the wrong.
I have been pulled off my motorcycle at gun point before, yes i was speeding. And I did EVERYTHING THE COP INSTRUCTED ME TO DO. I not an idiot, unlike the woman in the video. And the arguement of "What if she was pregnant". Well holly fuck, your going to act that way to a police officer while your pregnant. The cop didnt endanger her baby, she did by her actions or lack of. Use your head.
The cop is doing his job, plain and simple. And if tazing some dumb chick who was being beligerant, and uncooperative to ensure he arives home safe at the end of the day. All the power to him.
Police officers are here to do a job, and im glad they do it and not me. They have to deal with the lowest forms of people out there. And your all going to sit there and say police abuse after he takes down a suspect who was being uncooperative with the safeist meathod to insure his and the publics safety. I glad she got tazered; she will think twice next time about her actions. Even if it was a 300 lb guy, makes no difference if they have a gun, knife etc. And if she wasnt the type of person to keep up her licence, she would be steriotyped as a person with a knife, gun etc.
I am against police brutality just like the next guy; but this is not an exaple of it.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 22:36 Post subject: |
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Err ... she didn't physically resist arrest. How can the cop justify tasing her?
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 22:39 Post subject: |
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| SoSBigperm wrote: | | And the arguement of "What if she was pregnant". Well holly fuck, your going to act that way to a police officer while your pregnant. The cop didnt endanger her baby, she did by her actions or lack of. Use your head. |
Absolutely right. She knows what kind of condition she's in, not the police officer. IF she was truly worried about the unborn child, she wouldn't have defied the officer knowing the conseqences. Those of you who think this was torture...how many times did the officer need to yell "GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE OR I'M GOING TO TASE YOU" before she was put on notice that he was serious? If you were in that situation, would you have stayed in the vehicle to be zapped?
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| Siddhartha wrote: | | SoSBigperm wrote: | | And the arguement of "What if she was pregnant". Well holly fuck, your going to act that way to a police officer while your pregnant. The cop didnt endanger her baby, she did by her actions or lack of. Use your head. |
Absolutely right. She knows what kind of condition she's in, not the police officer. IF she was truly worried about the unborn child, she wouldn't have defied the officer knowing the conseqences. Those of you who think this was torture...how many times did the officer need to yell "GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE OR I'M GOING TO TASE YOU" before she was put on notice that he was serious? If you were in that situation, would you have stayed in the vehicle to be zapped? |
I, unlike you . do not do whatever i am told ..
i do what I choose to do .. that cop needs to learn that he is not dealing with dumb animals, or children .. human adults require tact, & professionalism to yield any respect or observance ..
living in fear .. is nothing to be proud of .. to be so broken that you bow to the will of any person with a badge, threatening you, is not a good example of a person who believes in liberty & personal freedom .. IMo
| Benjamin Franklin wrote: | | They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. |
Have Americans forgotten why they have the right to bear arms ?
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 23:12 Post subject: |
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As a person opinion, I think that the bitch had it coming.
But in a legal standpoint, I think the cop was justified, she was refusing to cooperate, and thus she was restrained.
I can't stand little assholes that don't appreciate the police. Once they get robbed/mugged/whatever they'll see things differently (even though anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence doesn't have to something like that happen to them to appreciate law).
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| TheValuum wrote: | As a person opinion, I think that the bitch had it coming.
But in a legal standpoint, I think the cop was justified, she was refusing to cooperate, and thus she was restrained.
I can't stand little assholes that don't appreciate the police. Once they get robbed/mugged/whatever they'll see things differently (even though anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence doesn't have to something like that happen to them to appreciate law). |
a so appreciate .. is your way of saying .. suck up to .. the law ?
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 23:18 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | TheValuum wrote: | As a person opinion, I think that the bitch had it coming.
But in a legal standpoint, I think the cop was justified, she was refusing to cooperate, and thus she was restrained.
I can't stand little assholes that don't appreciate the police. Once they get robbed/mugged/whatever they'll see things differently (even though anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence doesn't have to something like that happen to them to appreciate law). |
a so appreciate .. is your way of saying .. suck up to .. the law ? |
No, but seeing a bunch of 12 year olds saying "hurr hurr fuck the police you should be able to do anything hurrrr" makes me mad. Anyone of maturity has more sense than that.
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so your going to tell my kids to do what your told or your gonna get it .. you ever traveled around America ? Yourself.. know what its like for the common man in say Memphis, or San Francisco, or say Washington DC .. or Pittsburgh .. well you know I can .. you wanna talk about freedom .. I know its shoe size
sounds like a common thug talking to me .. not the sort of police officer figure I had in mind .. but hay if you cant distinguish between a bully & a cop .. well .. you probably need to grow some balls .. & realize that you don’t have to bow down to anybody !
Now you threaten a person .. you risk their family or safety .. by acting in a violent & forceful way .. then ya your gonna get it ..
Thing is the only one in that clip, that was threatening & violent was the cop ..
being utterly incapable of keeping your composure in the presence of an officer of the law, feeling the need to do whatever your told like a good slave .. doesn’t make you a very good judge of what went on in that clip .. because you cannot conceive of where that woman was coming from .
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 23:43 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | because you cannot conceive of where that woman was coming from . |
Well that's too bad for her, who gives a shit where she came from, she needs to follow the rules just like everyone else. |
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 23:46 Post subject: |
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right?
rules are there to be followed. Not listening to a police officer will get you in trouble, no mather if you are black, white, yellow, male or female. |
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2005 23:49 Post subject: |
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Punishment for the rule that she broke should be restraining and arresting her, not shoot a lighting bolt up her ass. He could have pulled her out, forced her to the ground, sat on her, cuffed her and dragged her sorry ass to the cruiser. In no case can I see the use of a taser justified for verbally resisting (or in her case just ignoring) arrest.
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sheep .. baaa baa
You have got to be joking .. cops are not gods to be worshiped FFS .. cops are not the purveyors of orders . They are public servants enforcing the law & maintaining order & decency in society ..
Behaving in a dignified |& insightful manner .. pillars of the community children can emulate & learn from .. women look to for support in times of trouble ..
not cheep thugs with a gun ..who tell you what to do .. & you better do it . because there cops .. have you guys no idea of what makes law & order work .. I tell ya it sure as hell isn’t pushing folks around ..
the police do not want to be feared, it severely inhibits their ability to function as enforcers of the law ..
| sTo0z wrote: | | ChinUp wrote: | | because you cannot conceive of where that woman was coming from . |
Well that's too bad for her, who gives a shit where she came from, she needs to follow the rules just like everyone else. |
a nice analogy for the clip indeed .. well put
this is how this happened . blind authoritarian dictatorship ..
Do we really want this sort of law .. this sort of governing standpoint .. in regards to the public ?
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | He could have pulled her out, forced her to the ground, sat on her, cuffed her and dragged her sorry ass to the cruiser. |
You don't know that, he doesn't know that. You don't know what that woman is capable of. Get a grip on reality, the other 90% of the people in this thread do. |
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| sTo0z wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | He could have pulled her out, forced her to the ground, sat on her, cuffed her and dragged her sorry ass to the cruiser. |
You don't know that, he doesn't know that. You don't know what that woman is capable of. Get a grip on reality, the other 90% of the people in this thread do. |
What did she do to show she was in ANY way violent? He shot her for ignoring him. That's all. Cops can't electrocute people at will you know.
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| ChinUp wrote: | | Siddhartha wrote: | | SoSBigperm wrote: | | And the arguement of "What if she was pregnant". Well holly fuck, your going to act that way to a police officer while your pregnant. The cop didnt endanger her baby, she did by her actions or lack of. Use your head. |
Absolutely right. She knows what kind of condition she's in, not the police officer. IF she was truly worried about the unborn child, she wouldn't have defied the officer knowing the conseqences. Those of you who think this was torture...how many times did the officer need to yell "GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE OR I'M GOING TO TASE YOU" before she was put on notice that he was serious? If you were in that situation, would you have stayed in the vehicle to be zapped? |
I, unlike you . do not do whatever i am told ..
i do what I choose to do .. |
In that exact situation you would chose to do what you chose to do. I hope you chose to get out of the car. Or your gonna get zapped.
Why should the Police office have to endanger his life by pulling her out of the car, a it has nothing to do with being "a man" or this macko BS said in another post. It has to do with the police office has a non leathal tactic that they are supposed to use to deal with situations like this. Not try and pull her out of the car, putting yourself in a compromizing position. Why should this Cop or any other Cop risk there lives so they can treat a uncooperative suspect with more dignity.
He said over and over get out or your gonna get tazed. this is all that should have been needed to end the situation. But instead she doesnt comply. So
OK a cop points a tazer gun at you, says get on the ground or your gonna get zapped. What do you do?
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| SoSBigperm wrote: | | In that exact situation you would chose to do what you chose to do. I hope you chose to get out of the car. Or your gonna get zapped. |
be afraid .. live in fear / if you want to . go ahead but dont expect me to ..
| SoSBigperm wrote: | Why should the Police office have to endanger his life by pulling her out of the car, a it has nothing to do with being "a man" or this macko BS said in another post. It has to do with the police office has a non leathal tactic that they are supposed to use to deal with situations like this. Not try and pull her out of the car, putting yourself in a compromizing position. Why should this Cop or any other Cop risk there lives so they can treat a uncooperative suspect with more dignity.
He said over and over get out or your gonna get tazed. this is all that should have been needed to end the situation. But instead she doesnt comply. So
OK a cop points a tazer gun at you, says get on the ground or your gonna get zapped. What do you do? |
question the mental condition of this cop .. this little child with a badge did not even try to deal with this situation in an adult mature manner . from the get go he was pissing on her for pissing on him .. is that the behavior of a professional police officer .. I think NOT
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 01:40 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | sTo0z wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | He could have pulled her out, forced her to the ground, sat on her, cuffed her and dragged her sorry ass to the cruiser. |
You don't know that, he doesn't know that. You don't know what that woman is capable of. Get a grip on reality, the other 90% of the people in this thread do. |
What did she do to show she was in ANY way violent? He shot her for ignoring him. That's all. Cops can't electrocute people at will you know. |
Cops have been doing that for years man - both literally and metaphorically |
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.. only a needle dick lets themselves get sucked into that sort of stupidity .. any self respecting male could have calmed her down enough to prevent any ruff stuff .. this cop was just to busy performing for his partner & the camera to grow some balls ..
