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did he white death yet?
dont worry you done actually die you just turn really white/pale and feel all dizzy and possibly a bit sick its when you know youve had to much, if it happens just go to sleep dont worry you will not die but you will get the best nights sleep you ever had.
its only ever happened to me twice i think the first time was largely due to smoking outside with a bunch of freiends in below freezing conditions more than anything.
the second time i smoked far more than i normally would pretty much just blazing one after the other and at the end i was sitting on the toilet white as a sheet dripping sweat like i had just ran a marathon and trying not to fall asleep wondering if i would feel normal again anytime soon, after about 20 minutes of waiting i finally went to bed and slept it off.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2011 16:28 Post subject: |
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if you ever hang with someone who gets all pale and shit just have him sip on a coke or anything with some sugah, insta feelgood
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2011 22:36 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: |
Thing is, if you've gotten a panic attack from weed you're susceptible to recurring episodes (which is why I quit doing it). |
What does "recurring episodes" mean? That it will/might happen the next time you do it too?
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2011 23:08 Post subject: |
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| grapper wrote: | | Frant wrote: |
Thing is, if you've gotten a panic attack from weed you're susceptible to recurring episodes (which is why I quit doing it). |
What does "recurring episodes" mean? That it will/might happen the next time you do it too? |
Yes, it means you're prone to have it happen again. Some people are just more sensitive to the anxiety boosting properties than others.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2011 23:28 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | grapper wrote: | | Frant wrote: |
Thing is, if you've gotten a panic attack from weed you're susceptible to recurring episodes (which is why I quit doing it). |
What does "recurring episodes" mean? That it will/might happen the next time you do it too? |
Yes, it means you're prone to have it happen again. Some people are just more sensitive to the anxiety boosting properties than others. |
This, I've never heard about.
| Frant wrote: | For someone who doesn't use tobacco, mixing weed with tobacco will most likely end up in a not-so-nice experience since the nicotine kick in itself can cause nausea, palpitations etc...
ps. I haven't touched the stuff in many years since it had a tendency to trigger panic attacks, and I didn't like the loss of my near-term memory. |
This also depends on what kind of weed he will be smoking. Being that he's from norway its a pretty good bet that most of whats around is either skunk or hash. Smoking skunk without tobacco is pretty rough in my book, and I nor my friends ever do that. And with hash, well its simply impossible its a hard lump of hash that you take bits off of and mix with tobacco. Also getting sick from a cigarette? If that happens to you, you should probably stay away from any inhalation of any drug.
On top of that its not really dangerous and there is only one way to find out.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2011 23:45 Post subject: |
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Hash is crap unless it's high grade kush. Pure rich buds, ground down and smoked in a proper pipe is the way to go (imo). And if it's high quality, a tiny amount is enough to get a major buzz going. Add tobacco (for a non-tobacco user) and you may end up ruining the whole experience (seen it happen with people).
Weed romantics tend to fight or ignore the existence of any negative side effects and say it's "safe", "awesome" and "you'll love it".
I'm trying to portray a more objective view, pointing out issues that comes from experience and accumulated knowledge (I'm 39 and have gained some experience throughout the years). Most people will get zonked/stoned and wanna lay down on the couch eating candy and cookies etc. while watching something like Cheech & Chong. First time users may not notice that much since there's some kind of activation mechanism for the cannabinoid receptors.
Then there's the fact that cannabis have anxiolytic properties that can cause severe anxiety/panic attacks and in worst case scenario people with dormant psychological issues like schizophrenia etc. can have their issues break out, but that is quite rare. Anxiety/panic attacks are more common (had my fair share of those, horrible experiences) and once you've had one you know you're susceptible to recurring anxiety/panic attacks.
This doesn't happen to the majority obviously, but it's good to know. It's also important to know that an anxiety-/panic attack isn't dangerous. It's very very very unpleasant, but it will pass. You won't die, you won't go crazy (the two most common feelings and thoughts during a panic attack), you'll just feel strong black panic and fear and general unpleasantness for anything between 10 minutes to an hour, then it passes.
For anyone with a predisposition towards anxiety or worry, Indica strains are to be preferred. In fact, Indica may have anti-anxiety properties. Sativa strains on the other hand is more prone to cause anxiety.
I'm neither pro nor anti marijuana. I'm more interested in getting the full picture out. Marijuana can cause negative experiences, but it's not something that happens often or is very common. But you should know about it in case it happens to you so you know why it happens.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Oct 2011 23:53 Post subject: |
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You are 39 and how long since you regularly smoked weed? And that hash is automatically shit is complete bullcrap. I'm not advocating drug use in any way but you are overstating a shitload of side effects that are so rare that its basically fear mongering, imo. Saying that it doesnt happen to the majority is very much an understatement.
I'm a non tobacco smoker and always have been and most of my friends who I've smoked weed with over the last years are equally non smokers. And if the tobacco ruins the experience then you just dont know what you're doing. Anyway I will refrain from this futile discussion and hope the OP has an enjoyable time.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2011 00:16 Post subject: |
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Since I had a horrible experience the first time I smoked weed, resembling a panic attack (like I already wrote), I wouldn't say it's THAT uncommon. If you go and ask a random psychologist I bet you they've had some patients that have reacted very badly to weed and had to deal with it afterwards. I have.
The other times I smoked I was fine though, about 5-6 times in total.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2011 00:25 Post subject: |
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can we stick to the facts... whatever will get you happy calm relaxed high is good stuff...
being picky about drugs is bullshit. you do drugs for the effects. not the taste. not to savour it. because believe it or not, when you're high out of your mind you won't be able to tell the difference between the quality of gaming on a pc and xbox.
Seriously... both of you should shut it. If you're into the expensive drugs, good for you, you have money to burn and you probably have a serious addiction. If you're into it recreationally and for the fun and social aspect of it, then it doesn't fucking matter if you're smoking a 300 dollar joint or a 5 dollar joint. If you get high, it's alllll goood.
As for the first timer 
or for anyone...
the quality of high always relates to the quality of people you get high around with.
you can have a bad trip that could ruin your experience with drugs if you're surrounded with negative people, or you can have the best experience getting high if the people you're surrounded with are good, awesome people.
Obviously not snobs and idiots who'll complain that their puffs aren't fully enjoyable because some blonde mature swedish virgin (which are rare :troll:) didn't fart on the drugs before you used it. Then everyone will start thinking that their high isn't adequate enough and at the end of what should've been a memorable circle jerk ends up with bunch of grown men writing poetry to the blonde mature swedish virgin and how they wish she was part of their current lives.
Those are the only serious side effects. Then again if you're too happy when you're high than when you're not high, you will miss it and grow into depression and eventually slit your wrists because you'll know deep down inside that you became suicidal the moment you tried pot for the first time. The side effects of drug use are this... if you're an idiot... you'll have serious side effects.
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! DRUGS ARE DRUGS! DO IT RESPONSIBLY AND WITH A GOOD CROWD AND YOU'LL HAVE FUN!
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2011 23:31 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: |
Pity Canadian budmail doesn't exist any longer |
https://www.budmail.biz/bmworld/ ?never used it before but known about it for ages.
easy enough just to grow it yourself
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WARNING! LONG POST FORTHCOMING!!!
First off, let me preface this by saying that I'm only speaking from my own personal experiences here, your mileage may vary -
I own a Volcano and can definitively say that it is the best "smoke" I've ever had. I've used a lot of different strains over the years and, with a good/temperature-stable vape, I only need use some decent schwag (better than reggie, but not as good as kush, Maui Waui, etc.).
One thing of note, the average joint (that I roll, that is) contains just under a quarter of an ounce of weed and is usually good for 3-7 "burns." At a cost of ~$60USD/ounce of schwag, that's only about a month's worth (if you smoke several times a week. If you use a pipe/bong, you'll usually get a lot more mileage. However, with a vape, I use 0.025oz. and get 8-12 bags (starting at 370°F for the first five, then up five degrees for the next two, then up five more for the last bags). I re-upped back on March 27th, and haven't used but maybe a sixth of what I bought (and I smoke almost everyday thanks to some medical issues that I've been having over the last year). At the current rate, it'll take me just under two years to use all of the 2oz. that I bought back in March. At $120 for that much, I spend just under $0.19/day (assuming I only use one bag per day, which is more than enough).
Comparitively, if I were using a bong, I'd get maybe ten hits (breaths) before having to change the batch. Considering it takes me at least three hits to get high off of a bong, I'd be using a lot more weed that way.
The simple math is as follows:
Vaping - At 0.025oz. I'll get roughly 80 batches. One batch=8-12 bags. One bag per day=~640 days. At $60/oz. I spend $0.1875 per day. That's $68.48 per, leap-year adjusted, year.
Bong/pipe - At 0.025oz. I'll get roughly 8-12 hits. Three hits per day=214 days. At $60oz. I spend $0.56 per day. That's $204.54 per year.
With a joint, it's probably worse.
Of course, buying a vape isn't a cheap endeavor. It'll take it a few years to justify the expense (depending on which vape you buy). The other thing to consider is the type of high. I've found that I'm less paranoid and more munchy when using a vaporizer. It also seems to be a more mellow high. And, I get just as high off of the inexpensive weed as I do the better stuff (albeit a "different" high). Also, one other thing of note, if you enjoy the taste of weed, don't buy a vape. With a vape, the weed can taste a bit "chemical" depending on the what temperature you are using. And, if you buy a volcano, don't buy the "Easy valve." When your bag wears out, you'll have to buy a new easy valve kit unless you are willing to butcher your easy valve. Just buy the solid valve and some oven bags and dental floss (the floss is what I use to tie the end of the bag). Or, you can just buy a vape with a whip (a tube like the one used on a hookah).
The issue that I have with whips is that they are harder to pass. And let's face it, people that are high aren't always the most coordinated. I already had a friend drop my solid valve and break it. Luckily, he was a nice enough friend that he bought me a new one the next day.
My, overly-verbose, point is that you'll always get your money's worth from buying a vape. Even if you go all out and get a Volcano Digital™, you won't regret it. Plus, since I repaired my broken valve somewhat, I now use it to vaporize many different herbs and things. I vaporized some vanilla and freshly ground coffee the other night and it made my house smell fucking awesome. Also, if you buy a Volcano, don't buy their replacement screens, you can always make your own or just buy some knock-off replacements for less than a quarter of the price.
I know that this isn't exactly what you were looking for, but I hope it helps you nonetheless. And, if it converts some other people to using a vape (a much, much, much healthier high), that's good as well.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 00:04 Post subject: |
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One other thing I forgot to mention, you can vaporize seeds, stems, and other crap so you don't need to bother separating out everything. Just be sure that you grind your batch as fine as the size of a pinhead. The finer the grind, the more THC gets released. And, at lower temps, the vapor isn't as harsh. With the Volcano, you get a venturi effect that decreases your effective vaporization temp. To properly vaporize all three major cannibanoids (sp?) you typically need a temp of ~390°F, but with a Volcano, I can vaporize some strains as low as 340°F. I'm uncertain if you'll get the same benefit with your vaporizer of choice.
And welcome to the 21st century of being a pothead!
Oh, and one last thing, if you use any type of flavor additives, be sure that they don't contain alcohol as that will surely combust and cause issues. And, if you use orange peels (like I do) to regulate the humidity in your schwag-bag, be sure that you wait to vaporize anything you grind out of that bag for at least a day after you put fresh orange peels in. This way, the oils have time to disperse and won't burn in a vape.
The key thing to remember is that you aren't "burning" the material, you are merely vaporizing the three major cannibanoids (again, sp?). Have fun and enjoy the vapor!
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