Older I get, more it bothers me ... to the point of pulling my hair at times when I hear religious people talking about it. Then i start thinking about all of the time wasted on these human created ceremonies and crap and I get even more angry. I wish I did not feel this way as i am about to have a kid and I do not want to teach my son hate, but I am really going to have a hard time explaining religion without shitting on it ... Anyone having issues dealing with religion?
Religions are man made, just like politics, culture, "networks", clubs, etc. - religion is a very common scapegoat, but in reality its just a part of mankind - I emphasize man here, because relatively the shit men do in proportion to women on this scale is just retardedly stupid.
Right now what bothers me more is ignorance - individualism has become so strong that people just ignore eachother, empathy has plummeted on a massive scale. People just hate on race, gender, culture, religion, EVERYTHING - and really they do it because individualism has led to a lot of fucking lonely people consuming shit and not engaging in the most important activity of all for mental health, which is socializing face to face (hello Internet).
But blame religion if you want to, fuck I know I've done so too in the past. But if you go to the root of it, there's a bunch of ignorant fools who started that religion and ignorant fools that used religion as a tool to hate some more.
Im so happy about living in Norway, both in USA and Malta I felt like punching someone for being to god damn religious. And when people block you with propaganda banners you just want to see the world burn... simple as that.
(edit: why can I not EVER write anything short???)
bxrdj wrote:
Older I get, more it bothers me ... to the point of pulling my hair at times when I hear religious people talking about it. Then i start thinking about all of the time wasted on these human created ceremonies and crap and I get even more angry. I wish I did not feel this way as i am about to have a kid and I do not want to teach my son hate, but I am really going to have a hard time explaining religion without shitting on it ... Anyone having issues dealing with religion?
I personally dont go out of my way to harp on it. But if someone wants to bring it up to me, or talk me 'out of being an ignorant atheist'. I will surely give back to them what they sow. And im more than happy to jump in and give my 2 cents if I overhear someone talking about it in a 'praise the lord! he is the light!" type of way.
I think for me, it comes down to accepting there is just as many people being wasteful and ignorant on religion, as any other form of useless human activities/traits/routines. I probably will get a lot of flack about it here ...but
I see religion in a sense the same as professional sports (not the whole reason for either, just in this one trait them both). Both a HUGE waste of time/money/energy/effort and loyalism towards something that is a pointless and useless activity. Both make people feverishly defensive of their 'choice' to side with, both waste MASSIVE amounts of money on them, huge emotional investments into people you never met, build huge structures for people to gather and worship their team in. Cause people to have a sense of 'being part of a pack or 'part of something bigger and more grand than myself'' with like minded people. And generally do nothing more than appease the masses with some 'leave you brain at the door' type comfort, just in different forms.
And I know getting upset at the wastefulness of sport is silly, since mankind always has, and always will be involved in it..so same with religion.
For both my kids, it about letting them choose, BUT making sure they actually think about what they are told, vs accepting it at face value.
Like mine both have asked to goto some church service or another with their friends when staying overnight with them. I have no problem with it. Just remind them to process everything they hear and internally question it on if it seems right.
Like for example when my daughter was 7, she went with a friend to a sunday school class with a friend. Came back telling me about the amazing story of Noah and the boat, and all the cute animals...and how he saved them and the "'yay! all the animals was alive" at the end.
So I told her to think about the story. And asked her if I told her that story was something I said that I MYSELF did before she was born, what would she ask me...She started to figure it out.
Telling me "if you told me you put 2 of every animal alive on a boat you made, I would say you was silly daddy. And where did you buy all the food they ate? And I HATE cleaning up after our dogs, You would have a lot of work cleaning up after millions of animals dad! And why didn't the birds fly away? and where did you keep the fish?". (sure some of her questions was easy to answer, like birds was in a cage..etc. But it showed her that just because a book and an adult tells you something in a fancy building, that its not to be thought over and questioned if needed).
Its an overslimplifed and broad stroke of the brush to use that as an example to her, that one story, but it got her thinking more about "Do I think this sounds right" and less about "Would my parents like me believing this". I truly want them to think for themselves, but keyword being THINK. not accept because others around them do.
I guess I have a problem with religion on a whole, and will have choice words for it if I bump into it on the street, but I don't go looking to track it down and pick fights with it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Religion should be of individual concern not collective.
The day the ones practicing it live by that motto, so shall we
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
Thanks guys, especially DXWarlock ... I agree very much with that position.
To elaborate, it's not the belief that bothers me, just the institution of church, ceremonies, different religions all with their own "version" of the crap they believe in. But I would not go out and start trashing religion to another religious person unless they tried to prove to me that their way is the "right way" ... At that time I would unleash my internat antichrist hahaha
Tried talking to some close people of mine (mother, neighborns) about religion, just debating it around, they did find a lot of sense in the usual things but suddenly they started putting stuff on the table that was hard to refute.
They were personal experiences of "healing and miracles", my mother had hepatitis c really bad shape and she swears that she was healed by praying that even the doctor said it was impossible to recover like that. Some others said similar stories. So i had to let them talk, since i wasnt their doctor i couldnt talk sense into them. and i noticed that a lot of people believe faithfully and blindly because of things like these, because they have "proof of miracles and messages from god" since most of them understood that the bible had a lot of shit in it and their religion. But they had that "healing" stuff, of course they didnt stop taking their medicines but who can tell them its not a miracle when the doctor starts rambling about how amazing and imposible the healing was. Hell they even talk about "strange feelings" while doing ceremonies, proof of something amazing present.
Tried talking to some close people of mine (mother, neighborns) about religion, just debating it around, they did find a lot of sense in the usual things but suddenly they started putting stuff on the table that was hard to refute.
They were personal experiences of "healing and miracles", my mother had hepatitis c really bad shape and she swears that she was healed by praying that even the doctor said it was impossible to recover like that. Some others said similar stories. So i had to let them talk, since i wasnt their doctor i couldnt talk sense into them. and i noticed that a lot of people believe faithfully and blindly because of things like these, because they have "proof of miracles and messages from god" since most of them understood that the bible had a lot of shit in it and their religion. But they had that "healing" stuff, of course they didnt stop taking their medicines but who can tell them its not a miracle when the doctor starts rambling about how amazing and imposible the healing was. Hell they even talk about "strange feelings" while doing ceremonies, proof of something amazing present.
Sigh......
Religion and religious ceremonies are powerful psychologically to people who really believe them. They are useful to give meaning to ones life, but sadly, religion is tied to religious institutions which have nothing to do with it. Greedy and power hungry they are as far from spirituality as can be.
I don't mind religion at all, it has been with us for a long time in one shape or another. What i can't stand is people trying to convert everyone else around them.
EDIT: if it's fucked, just go to the YT page and FF to 5:30. There's your answer to miraculous healing. Just change cataract with hepC and you're there.
Sabine Hossenfelder( Theoretical physicist) believes this will be the century when religion dies. Maybe better times are up ahead for all you religion haters;).
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When historians will look back at the 21st century, they’ll refer to it as the century in which religion died and the scientific revolution was completed.
Sabine Hossenfelder( Theoretical physicist) believes this will be the century when religion dies. Maybe better times are up ahead for all you religion haters;).
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When historians will look back at the 21st century, they’ll refer to it as the century in which religion died and the scientific revolution was completed.
Religion in itself, if you think about it, is proof that god does not exist.
Because, if god were real (or similar) then no superior being would have created people stupid enough to believe in an invisible being who lives in the sky.
Or of course.
ragnarus wrote:
I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
Most of Religion is just a set of rules to make society work, hold together and prevail against others in pre-democratic times. It obviously failed to adapt once societies became bigger and more focused on individual liberties, and many of its archaic interpretations of natural phenomena were falsified by scientific research.
Religion was then replaced by, most of the time mixed with the concept of "Nation" (both still struggle for domination), which leans heavily on religious concepts such as rituals, symbols and heroes. If we remember the napoleonic wars, the notion of "nation" was invented to motivate people into fighting a war. Same as with religion, the survival of the specific society "nation" had to be secured. So its all about making everyone feel part of something bigger. This can be forced, as seen in american movies with their omnipresent flag.
In any case, people were "tricked" into believing they were part of a bigger whole. As a nation or as a religious community does not really matter. Both are constructs. I still wonder what kind of tale the bees are told to work together so well, or if it is just the same instinct that makes us invent these stories, traditions and rituals that also makes the bees work together.
I highly doubt that the 21st century will be the end of religion. The seemingly most rational system is often a new mythos in disguise, such as the nations build roughly on old (and if you look close enough, undefined) ethnicities. And even if we manage to surpass, lets say, christianism or islamism, new mythes will pop up. Most of the time they will seem quite rational at first. Humans will always invent some form of rituals, traditions and symbols that are irrational and even more so for future generations.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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Religions are man made, just like politics, culture, "networks", clubs, etc. - religion is a very common scapegoat, but in reality its just a part of mankind - I emphasize man here, because relatively the shit men do in proportion to women on this scale is just retardedly stupid.
Right now what bothers me more is ignorance - individualism has become so strong that people just ignore eachother, empathy has plummeted on a massive scale. People just hate on race, gender, culture, religion, EVERYTHING - and really they do it because individualism has led to a lot of fucking lonely people consuming shit and not engaging in the most important activity of all for mental health, which is socializing face to face (hello Internet).
But blame religion if you want to, fuck I know I've done so too in the past. But if you go to the root of it, there's a bunch of ignorant fools who started that religion and ignorant fools that used religion as a tool to hate some more.
its good and bad..lol
I do the same to them I do here, long drawn out monologues of lectures when they are in trouble..haha. And we all know how kids LOVE standing on one spot 45 minutes answering questions and being fussed at.
And the downside of me telling them to question everything, is well, they do it to EVERYTHING..including when I ask/tell them to do something, or such. Which usually I don't mind since it means they are willing to stand up for themselves if they think what they are being told to do is stupid...BUT like telling Daxson to mow the grass
"Dax, go mow the grass before it gets too hot today"
"But its going to get hot before I'm done..Ill do it after dinner, its cool then".
"No No, you'll forget, so go do it now."
"But dad, the grass wont grow that much more in 6 hours, and as long as its done today, which is my day to mow grass..does it technically matter, since Im doing my chore by the rules we agreed on?"
And then Im stuck in that, do I tell him "No i want it done now, so YOU go do what I want done"..or acknowledge that yes...hes is following the rules technically, because there is no 'time' on that day to mow it..just that day.
In the end either works, depends on my mood. They know its like having a job on when to question things. Sometimes its good to question what your being told to do, and sometimes its better to shut up and make the Boss happy...they just cant quite get right which is which yet..LOL
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
its good and bad..lol
I do the same to them I do here, long drawn out monologues of lectures when they are in trouble..haha. And we all know how kids LOVE standing on one spot 45 minutes answering questions and being fussed at.
And the downside of me telling them to question everything, is well, they do it to EVERYTHING..including when I ask/tell them to do something, or such. Which usually I don't mind since it means they are willing to stand up for themselves if they think what they are being told to do is stupid...BUT like telling Daxson to mow the grass
"Dax, go mow the grass before it gets too hot today"
"But its going to get hot before I'm done..Ill do it after dinner, its cool then".
"No No, you'll forget, so go do it now."
"But dad, the grass wont grow that much more in 6 hours, and as long as its done today, which is my day to mow grass..does it technically matter, since Im doing my chore by the rules we agreed on?"
And then Im stuck in that, do I tell him "No i want it done now, so YOU go do what I want done"..or acknowledge that yes...hes is following the rules technically, because there is no 'time' on that day to mow it..just that day.
In the end either works, depends on my mood. They know its like having a job on when to question things. Sometimes its good to question what your being told to do, and sometimes its better to shut up and make the Boss happy...they just cant quite get right which is which yet..LOL
pwned
But yea, I did the same thing...
"Hey, didn't you had to move this stuff?"
"Yep, until the end of the week."
"But why aren't you doing it now?"
"Because it's, you know, monday and I have until the end of the week."
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
I highly doubt that the 21st century will be the end of religion. The seemingly most rational system is often a new mythos in disguise, such as the nations build roughly on old (and if you look close enough, undefined) ethnicities. And even if we manage to surpass, lets say, christianism or islamism, new mythes will pop up. Most of the time they will seem quite rational at first. Humans will always invent some form of rituals, traditions and symbols that are irrational and even more so for future generations.
I agree with this.
I know a handful people that are a bit overly anti-religion, not anti-god, but anti the 'mainstream religion' mindset. (but they are also anti govt, anti big oil, anti big business...well anti anything successful they aren't a part of I guess)
But they are in over their head with wanting to believe in aliens, and conspiracy theories, and 'free energy' from nothing, and nature is a power thing, with the planes on mental existence, and states, and whatever else crap vague words they use to make it sound impressive to think nature is 'all connected as a thing'. CONSTANTLY posting youtube videos on FB about some alien, big oil, hidden free energy, chakra and meditation to better living dribble..using that "I worship nature..don't laugh I can prove its real' oxymoron statement that tries to poke fun at religion for worshiping imaginary things, by pointing out the imaginary things in nature they worship..lol
But they will get upset if you tell them they are wanting to believe in things that aren't proven, like a religion, because it makes them feel comfortable, and 'on the inside' of something most people aren't. A type of "I know things most people don't about the world, Im one of the select few, and I'm part of a bigger, exclusive club of those 'in the know' of these things." Wanting to beleive in it not because its well proven, or proven at all really..but because it gives them purpose, and meaning, and a feeling of humble smugness..
My point is even though these people are strongly apposed to an organized religion, and talk about how its controlling the masses, and pointless...they yearn to find something that fills that hole they have without it, without knowing it. Instead of realizing they dont need the hole...they seek to fill it with something else, denying it fits that hole.
So i dont think religion will go away, Im in agreement that it if our currents die of old age so to speak, it will just evolve into some other type of belief for the sake of believing, and the comfort of thinking your one of the 'special inside chosen people'.
tonizito wrote:
ppwned
But yea, I did the same thing...
"Hey, didn't you had to move this stuff?"
"Yep, until the end of the week."
"But why aren't you doing it now?"
"Because it's, you know, monday and I have until the end of the week."
My joys of being a dad to two teenagers.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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