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Jenni
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Thinking of getting one.
Are Ipods any good?
I'm looking at the 1000 song version, I can't see the need of the larger 5000 song version.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 03:59 Post subject: |
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ive got a 15gb ipod... i guess i could do with 10gb... but not less... and yes... the ipod is simple and good...
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 04:04 Post subject: |
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simple?!?!! YOU HAVE to use software with it, that software is GAY, argghh.. MP3 players should be a "drag file onto player and walk away" situation, not this, "import songs into libary and sit while it overwrites everything".. plus when you have a HDD death and try to pull your songs back, you have to use software again, which will just erase the Ipod by default adhering to your current libary of nothing! How about getting an album from a friend? Moving files around easily (USB pen like..).. gah! bad bad baaaaaaaaad!!
Hardware should not require BAD proprietary software to function, more so when that software limits the hardwares use.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 04:15 Post subject: |
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uhm... its a 1 time installation of itunes... the rest IS drag and drop... i add a playlist, mark the files... and pull em over into the itunes window... and its done... so i dont really see your problem
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 10:57 Post subject: imo |
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| [sYn] wrote: | simple?!?!! YOU HAVE to use software with it, that software is GAY, argghh.. MP3 players should be a "drag file onto player and walk away" situation, not this, "import songs into libary and sit while it overwrites everything".. plus when you have a HDD death and try to pull your songs back, you have to use software again, which will just erase the Ipod by default adhering to your current libary of nothing! How about getting an album from a friend? Moving files around easily (USB pen like..).. gah! bad bad baaaaaaaaad!!
Hardware should not require BAD proprietary software to function, more so when that software limits the hardwares use. |
Interesting viewpoint.
The opposite side of this, though, is that I, for one, kept my music collection in a state of perpetual chaos before I got iTunes, which allowed me to do things like select batches of files and assign artists, albums, etc. to the individual files with basically one click. I can see why you'd be biased against iTunes, but one interesting fact is that I switched to iTunes after trying it, because imo it has major advantages over WinAmp.
As for iPods, having had experience with a couple of DAPs before (one was a Samsung YEPP and the other being a Dell Axim X5 PDA), I found the iPod to be extremely intuitive and very user-friendly. Being severely drunk, I still remember being able to put my favorite album on before I passed out on someone's couch. YMMV, but I've found my experience with my 20gb iPod 4g to be a very pleasant one.
As for storage, I'd go with a larger-is-better policy, unless you're short on cash. I lean towards having full albums and high-quality music (audiophile, and damn proud.) Right now I have 1381 songs (most at 192 or 256kbps MP3 or AAC), weighing in at 7.68GBs so a larger iPod is better, if you must get a nano. Otherwise, I'd suggest getting a full-sized iPod (they aren't that big, trust me).
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 11:59 Post subject: |
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I agree that the hardware is good, this is not a problem, its that you have no choice in how you use that hardware! My creative device has a similar program to Itunes, infact it does exactly the same job, it comes with my player, but I choose not to use it as it does no suit what I like. Although, the perk of my application is the choice, I can have it on my machine and use it, then take my player to a friends house plugin and away I go without the application.
| MaroW wrote: | | uhm... its a 1 time installation of itunes... the rest IS drag and drop... i add a playlist, mark the files... and pull em over into the itunes window... and its done... so i dont really see your problem |
My problem is exactly that, you have to install another application. Its not just "drag and drop" even if you think it is. Its "install application, load application drag files into iTunes, give iTunes control and update iPod". I have the same nigle with Sony's "internet walkmans" they also force the use of proprietary software in order for the hardware to work. What about cross platform compatability? I couldnt use my Ipod on a sparc, but I could use my creative device.. To me, and I know to a lot of others out there, the forced use of proprietary software is one of geek lifes biggest evils, as "simple" as you may think it is, its the bigger picture you need to remind yourself off. 10 years time you could see a requirement of installing applications onto your TV in order for you to use a VCR.. helpful? I think you would see my point then  .
FYI: I did warn you not to make me do the proprietary software speech
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 12:14 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | I agree that the hardware is good, this is not a problem, its that you have no choice in how you use that hardware! My creative device has a similar program to Itunes, infact it does exactly the same job, it comes with my player, but I choose not to use it as it does no suit what I like. Although, the perk of my application is the choice, I can have it on my machine and use it, then take my player to a friends house plugin and away I go without the application.
| MaroW wrote: | | uhm... its a 1 time installation of itunes... the rest IS drag and drop... i add a playlist, mark the files... and pull em over into the itunes window... and its done... so i dont really see your problem |
My problem is exactly that, you have to install another application. Its not just "drag and drop" even if you think it is. Its "install application, load application drag files into iTunes, give iTunes control and update iPod". I have the same nigle with Sony's "internet walkmans" they also force the use of proprietary software in order for the hardware to work. What about cross platform compatability? I couldnt use my Ipod on a sparc, but I could use my creative device.. To me, and I know to a lot of others out there, the forced use of proprietary software is one of geek lifes biggest evils, as "simple" as you may think it is, its the bigger picture you need to remind yourself off. 10 years time you could see a requirement of installing applications onto your TV in order for you to use a VCR.. helpful? I think you would see my point then .
FYI: I did warn you not to make me do the proprietary software speech |
no... you plug in the ipod... itunes automatically loads up in no time and then it actually IS drag and drop... you go to your explorer... and pull over the file into itunes... it "uploads" right away... you click dismount ipod... and go... so actually it IS just the installation which might be bothering... everything else couldnt be easier... and the fact that you can create playlists and see them sortet in itunes and even play those playlists from your ipod over itunes is a + in my eyes...
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 12:29 Post subject: |
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I have an IPOD, it rocks, you get it Jenni.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 12:33 Post subject: |
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Enjoy your lives as software slaves... *wanders back into the land of free choice*
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 15:11 Post subject: |
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But come on, the iPod has what? 14h of battery time? That sucks badly.
Take a look at the Sony NW-HD5, it has 20gb HDD, over 30hours of battery time using mp3, 40hours using ATRAC3 (that one sucks IMHO) and great sound quality.
The only bad thing about it is that the software sucks.
Oh did I say that the 20gb mp3-player is about the same size as iPod Mini?
Kicks iPods sorry ass, the iPod is so overrated no matter who you ask. Sure the buttons are sweet and it gives the Apple feeling, but the mp3-player around? Nope!
Behold his GLORY! Bow for the technical master!
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 17:15 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | simple?!?!! YOU HAVE to use software with it, that software is GAY, argghh.. MP3 players should be a "drag file onto player and walk away" situation, not this, "import songs into libary and sit while it overwrites everything".. plus when you have a HDD death and try to pull your songs back, you have to use software again, which will just erase the Ipod by default adhering to your current libary of nothing! How about getting an album from a friend? Moving files around easily (USB pen like..).. gah! bad bad baaaaaaaaad!!
Hardware should not require BAD proprietary software to function, more so when that software limits the hardwares use. |
try Ephpod, way better than iTunes. does drag and drop and will pull the songs back off your ipod if your HD were to fail or if you wanted to spread songs with friends via ipod. its free to
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I am seriously thinking about getting this (which is something i never thought i would say about any apple product) but I am holding off in hopes of creative or Iriver will come out with some simular soon.
I really would like this http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=14107
but i had a regular Micro before and because it uses a hard drive if you drop it once hard your screwed. I had a 40 gig rca lyra that i dropped many times (i am a klutz) and it worked perfectly for 2 years. The Nano is flash based so there is no hard drive to worry about which is why i am really looking forward to getting it.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 22:41 Post subject: |
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Yeah I can't wait.
Dunno what to get for the laser etching though.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005 02:16 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005 04:38 Post subject: |
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I bought a Creative 20GB Zen Touch a couple of months ago and the damn thing is a godsend.
No problems at all.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005 15:33 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Enjoy your lives as software slaves... *wanders back into the land of free choice* |
Haha. You own a Creative player.
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005 18:09 Post subject: |
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| indiana wrote: | | [sYn] wrote: | | Enjoy your lives as software slaves... *wanders back into the land of free choice* |
Haha. You own a Creative player. |
You dont have to own a creative product to see that you have to Install Itunes to get the full potential of your Ipod...
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005 19:16 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | indiana wrote: | | [sYn] wrote: | | Enjoy your lives as software slaves... *wanders back into the land of free choice* |
Haha. You own a Creative player. |
You dont have to own a creative product to see that you have to Install Itunes to get the full potential of your Ipod... |
considering that that potential goes beyond playing music, I'm all the happier for it.
Never thought I'd say this, but Apple's actually made a good product and good software to back it up this time. |
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Mutantius
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005 22:07 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | You dont have to own a creative product to see that you have to Install Itunes to get the full potential of your Ipod... |
And so what? That certainly doesn't stop me from laughing at his choice of mp3 player. I'm not a big fan of Creative's shoddy products, you see.
| Mutantius wrote: | | Well the idea behind the Ipod itself is brilliant though by the need of itunes... :( |
Itunes isn't a requirement. Thanks for playing though.
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| indiana wrote: | | Mutantius wrote: | | You dont have to own a creative product to see that you have to Install Itunes to get the full potential of your Ipod... |
And so what? That certainly doesn't stop me from laughing at his choice of mp3 player. I'm not a big fan of Creative's shoddy products, you see. |
Just to point out that "creatives shoddy products" contain some of the most advanced sound chipsets in the world (commercially avalible to the average joe anyway), this includes the MP3 players.
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Just to point out that "creatives shoddy products" contain some of the most advanced sound chipsets in the world (commercially avalible to the average joe anyway), this includes the MP3 players. |
Let me guess, you're a happy owner of Creative's new Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic sound card as well? How's the 24-bit Crystalizer snake oil nonsense working out for you?
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Warning no flaming Indiana. If you really wonder why he chose to pick a creative mp3 player then just ask him don't prejudge his decisions. Also the new sound cards seem to be doing a fair job in performance and sound tests. All the reviews I have seen have toted it as being superiour in taking lots off the cpu load for audio like in games where 5.1 surround sound is needed. If you don't like it then fine that's your problem but for laughing at others who do is not what we want on this board.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005 22:55 Post subject: |
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I own a creative muvo 4gb mp3-player and i have to say it's either full or empty 
Space is always a problem, it's just like money. Doesnt matter if you earn 1000$ or 10000$ a month, you will spend around the same percentage of it anyways.
And about the creative-bashing, i havent had any problems at all with my player, it plugs and plays with every computer i've plugged it into and the battery lasts forever.
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