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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jan 2013 17:42    Post subject:
gibman70 wrote:
i hope they don't scrimp and go for less than 4GB, that would be a shame....the story goes that until the last moment they were gonna only put 256MB in the 360 so with m$ who knows Sad


Yeah, it was gears of war that changed their mind. They showed what the game would like like with 256mb ram and 512mb ram and Microsoft made the expensive decision to double up the Ram.

I just don't think Microsoft cares about backwards compatibility. Sure if it was something that fit in to their design and would be easy, they would do it but I doubt they are designing around backwards compatibility.
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Jan 2013 23:43    Post subject:
PS4, Xbox 720 announcements in March?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps4-xbox-720-announcements-in-march-6402358

Xbox 720, PS4 could start at $350, says analyst

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-720-ps4-could-start-at-350-says-analyst-6402356
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jan 2013 00:10    Post subject:
if only $350 here Sad you can probably add another 50% here in Norway
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jan 2013 01:53    Post subject:
Hope its all true, dying to see what the hardware is
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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Jan 2013 04:54    Post subject:
http://www.oxm.co.uk/49319/dragon-age-3-artist-xbox-720-tech-wont-be-as-obvious-a-leap-as-xbox-to-xbox-360/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/df-hardware-orbis-unmasked-what-to-expect-from-next-gen-console_4
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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Jan 2013 04:59    Post subject:
So next Xbox won't have Avatar graphics?? Shocked

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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Jan 2013 05:12    Post subject:
Maybe in 3 years when the developers optimized their shit we can have something remotely resembling Avatar..at 30fps with FXAA and in 720p upscaled to 1080.

The gamesindustry article sounds highly legit, this is the core info:

So, CPU:
Orbis: AMD Jaguar 8core @ 1.6ghz + Compute module
Xbox: AMD Jaguar 8core @ 1.6ghz

GFX:
Orbis: Radeon 7970M @ 800mhz 18CUs 1.84 TFlops
Xbox: similar, slightly weaker but with "task-specific hardware"

RAM:
Orbis: 4gb GDDR5 512mb for OS
Xbox: 8gb GDDR3 3gb for OS/Always On
("Microsoft looks set to be using an offshoot of eDRAM technology connected to the graphics core to offset the bandwidth issues the use of DDR3 incurs")


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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Jan 2013 05:22    Post subject:
Jaguar is a x86-64 CPU. If true, good.
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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Jan 2013 18:22    Post subject:
God I hope they do not dedicate 3GB of the memory for the O/S. That seems extremely high reservation for something that is so specific (as opposed to a pc with windows). Guess we will know for sure soon especially if they hold there own conference apple style to announce it before E3.
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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Jan 2013 20:12    Post subject:
readonly wrote:
(as opposed to a pc with windows).

You implying Windows needs anywhere near as much? Windows 7 runs mighty fine with just 1GB.

The GPU reported there for Orbis is roughly 7870 level. In a PC that card is able to run Crysis 2 maxed out at an almost constant 1080p60, so in this it should at least manage that. Beyond that though? Reaction

Like I said, no future vision.
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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Jan 2013 21:37    Post subject:
I don't think that the consoles being x86-64 means much to me, as a PC gamer. It's not like the Xbox1 to PC ports were done better or much easier than the 360 to PC ports.

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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Jan 2013 21:50    Post subject:
Huh? What games were considered bad ports? Name some and we'll take a look at the worse examples of this generation's worst ports. This time, the CPU is not only a x86-64, but also a ~ normal desktop CPU, which means no awful CPU optimizations a-la GTA4.
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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Jan 2013 22:57    Post subject:
The original Xbox didn't produce any bad ports that I can think of. What did we get in terms of "ports" anyway? Thief, Ghost Recon, TOCA 2+3..I can't think of anything else really.

Even so, just not having to build for RISC and then cross compiling to x86(-64) and having optimisations for both will and did help.
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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Jan 2013 23:56    Post subject:
Back then it was still mostly PC -> XBOX/PS2 port, but eventually started being XBOX/PS2 -> PC...

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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 00:20    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
readonly wrote:
(as opposed to a pc with windows).

You implying Windows needs anywhere near as much? Windows 7 runs mighty fine with just 1GB.

The GPU reported there for Orbis is roughly 7870 level. In a PC that card is able to run Crysis 2 maxed out at an almost constant 1080p60, so in this it should at least manage that. Beyond that though? Reaction

Like I said, no future vision.


and that was my point exactly, an open ended O/S that has to accommodate a vast number of hardware/software configurations can handle utilizing ~1GB of ram while a piece of software/hardware that is completely specific to the tasks it will do needs 3GB? Doesn't make sense and I hope its not true.

Edit: and who really cares, games will look fantastic. They will always be behind pc but its never to a point where you aren't having fun. I am a pc/console guy and each have their benefits. Also compare the first generation of xbox 360 games to the current games, they look considerably worse. So if off the bat the console can handle crisis 2/3 then we will have games in the later years that make those look like shit.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 00:28    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
Back then it was still mostly PC -> XBOX/PS2 port, but eventually started being XBOX/PS2 -> PC...

there was a handful of PC -> XBOX/PS2 ports, that's about it. the rest was just like we have today. mostly exclusive with a few decent games that ended up on PC, sometimes months later.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 00:33    Post subject:
Found this (related to the porting xbox and pc thing) on another forum:

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I couldn't find any games that were released on the Xbox first and was followed by a superior port on the PC based on their Metacritic scores.

I did find a few PC games that received an Xbox port that didn’t quite measure up to the PC version..
Half-Life: Counter-Strike
Myst IV: Revelation
Operation Flashpoint
RollerCoaster Tycoon
Sid Meier's Pirates
Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix
Syberia
Syberia II
Tron 2.0
Unreal II: The Awakening

These PC to Xbox ports appear to be only marginally better....
Half Life 2
Painkiller: Hell Wars
Pure Pinball
Star Wars: Jedi Knight-Jedi Academy
Still Life


These games were released simultaneously for the PC and Xbox with the PC version being marginally better....
Drake of the 99 Dragons
Shattered Union
Thief: Deadly Shadows
Ultimate Beach Soccer


These games were released simultaneously for the PC and Xbox with the Xbox version being marginally better...
Pariah
Robocop (2003)


These games were released on the Xbox first and appear to be rated better than their PC ports...
Crazy Taxi 3: High Roller
Jade Empire
Rallisport Challenge
Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse
Sudeki
Yager


The rest of these games seemed to be rated as pretty much being even.
Whether they were released on the Xbox first...
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay
Close Combat: First to Fight
Dead Man's Hand
Enclave
Gun Metal
Shadow Ops: Red Mercury
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II
World War II Combat: Road to Berlin


The PC first...
Doom 3
Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil
Elder Scrolls III: Marrowind
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Island Thunder
Scrapland
Warpath


Or simultaneously...
Cold War
Combat Task Force 121
Deus Ex: Invisible War
Dreamfall: The Longest Journey
First to Fight: Close Combat
Land of the Dead: Road to Fiddler's Green
Magic the Gathering - Battlegrounds
Men of Valor
Monster Garage
Serious Sam II
Special Forces Nemesis Strike
Star Wars: Republic Commando
Wings of War
World War II Combat: Iwo Jima

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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 04:08    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
Huh? What games were considered bad ports? Name some and we'll take a look at the worse examples of this generation's worst ports. This time, the CPU is not only a x86-64, but also a ~ normal desktop CPU, which means no awful CPU optimizations a-la GTA4.


There weren't thaaaat many Xbox->PC ports so you'll find plenty of 360->PC ports that are both worse and better than those.

I'm also talking in general about bad ports (performance or quality wise, I am not talking about eg control schemes), not necessarily about ports that strained the CPU more than the should; they might very well be GPU heavy, the point is being close to PC does not mean they will care to do a proper job. For example both Halos and Deus Ex 2 required much better HW to run on the PC (even if you ran them at the equivalent of console settings).

TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 04:45    Post subject:
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1769561/nextgen_huge_xbox_720_ps4_specs_report_by_insider.html

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1770306/now_the_ps4_is_more_powerful_than_the_xbox_720.html

more rumours etc from a few days ago
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 06:03    Post subject:
PS3 was supposedly more powerful than the 360 as well. Much good that did Laughing

Ill probably end up owning both though.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 10:54    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
PS3 was supposedly more powerful than the 360 as well. Much good that did Laughing

Ill probably end up owning both though.


Point is, devs either can't afford (for economic reasons) or don't want to develop two different games for the different consoles. It will end up like in this generation: the game will be developed for the weaker of the two and ported over to the other. Which is why several titles run better on 360 despite it being "technically" weaker than ps3.

Now console exclusives... that's another story entirely.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 11:55    Post subject:
"Several titles" run better on X360? How about "almost all titles" run better on X360 Laughing

It's 2013, and people still believe Sony's claims that more CPU cores are a good substitute for GPU power
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 13:58    Post subject:
me7 wrote:
"Several titles" run better on X360? How about "almost all titles" run better on X360 Laughing


Didn't want to sound fanboysh, having a 360 myself Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 16:01    Post subject:
VGLeaks has the latest Durango rumor/leak: http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durango-unveiled/

Quote:
CPU:

- x64 Architecture

- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)

- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache

- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache

- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources

- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

GPU:

- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor

- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads

- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle

- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second

High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present

Storage and Memory:

- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)

- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)

- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.

- Hard drive is always present

- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive

Networking:

- Gigabit Ethernet

- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct

Hardware Accelerators:

- Move engines

- Image, video, and audio codecs

- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware

- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 16:11    Post subject:
SpamSpam wrote:
VGLeaks has the latest Durango rumor/leak: http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durango-unveiled/

Quote:
CPU:

- x64 Architecture

- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)

- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache

- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache

- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources

- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

GPU:

- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor

- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads

- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle

- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second

High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present

Storage and Memory:

- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)

- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)

- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.

- Hard drive is always present

- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive

Networking:

- Gigabit Ethernet

- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct

Hardware Accelerators:

- Move engines

- Image, video, and audio codecs

- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware

- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing


This is what i don't get, why DX11.1 gpu? Why not DX12 and be ready for what DX12 brings us?
We gonna be stuck on DX11 for another 10 years like with DX9 due to this Sad

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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 16:22    Post subject:
Quote:
- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.

Nice try, but no. They're separate buffers and their bandwidth can't just be added together like that, whoever wrote that is a clueless fuck.


@ saus: what DX12? Do you want them to magically guess what's going to be in DX12 which is years and years away? Also, nothing wrong with D3D11, there's little they would be able to add to 12 within the next few years that isn't already possible. If 12 were to come as quick as you for some reason think it will, it'll be a performance enhancement, not a feature enhancement.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 16:27    Post subject:
Arg, i was confused. DX11.1 is Win8 exclusive, i thought it was 12 they said. My bad Sad

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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 17:37    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Quote:
- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.

Nice try, but no. They're separate buffers and their bandwidth can't just be added together like that, whoever wrote that is a clueless fuck.



yes they can
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 20:57    Post subject:
Looks pretty good I must say. Now all we need is an internal SSD. My only hope is that online activations won't make an introduction on consoles.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 21:16    Post subject:
Doubt they will, that market's not there yet. I'm more interested about those SH games protection they mentioned, for both the durango and orbis...

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