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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 10:37    Post subject:
Grale wrote:
Ahh I see. It's been a very long time since I had an amd gpu. Are there any negative points to consider moving from nvidia.

Also I can afford the 7970 or should I just oc the 7950!


7970 ofcourse if you got the cash for it Razz. Get something like Matrix Platinum or MSI Lightning (tho i would not myself pay premium price for those, since they dont overclock better than reference what i have readed, but their coolers are awesome). I just bought myself Club3D reference and slapped AC Xtreme cooler to it (fans at 75% its whisper silent, and core is at gaming around 55c max + VRMs are on the 70s).

Only thing you lose from switching is PhysX (personally i like it) Cool Face, but nothing groundbreaking. Also Nvidia 3D is much better, but i dont like 3D gaming, had 3D screen when i had my 570 SLI, and all i got was headache.

As for performance its unbeliavable OC´d, this thing can run any game 2560x1440 @ maximum details with great fps (minus MSAA in some games). My heavily overclocked 670 was not up for the task. Also not to mention, got over 11K from 3Dmark11 with 1300/1700 clocks (good comparison that my 570SLI @ 900mhz got less) Very Happy.

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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 11:25    Post subject:
Great info Breeze thanks.

Would this card be okay? I think it'sa good price .

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/3gb-xfx-radeon-hd-7970-dd-edition-with-ghost-thermal-5500mhz-gddr5-925mhz-2048-cores-hdmi-mdp


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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 11:28    Post subject:
Yeah its supposed to be pretty good (better than reference cooler for sure). Forgot to mention from those games, its pretty sweet (never settle bundle).
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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 11:52    Post subject:
Ok that'll do. My mates screaming at me so think iI'll give amd a whirl Smile

Breezer are there any games from that bundle you don't have, as I have them all and will be giving them away.


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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 13:04    Post subject:
Grale wrote:
Ok that'll do. My mates screaming at me so think iI'll give amd a whirl Smile

Breezer are there any games from that bundle you don't have, as I have them all and will be giving them away.


Got them all... ISO demos Very Happy Dont need Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 13:28    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 17:44    Post subject:
Got a lil question

First,check out my PC Specs in my Sig

The thing is...would it be worth upgrading my 460GTX to a 660GTX Ti OC 2GB + BORDERLANDS 2 or any of the 660GTXs by Gigabyte?...Would i need to change my CPU and PSU? (PSU = 700W Thermaltake Toughpower MODULAR) and the Case is an Antec 900

I play on a 120hz Monitor on 1920x1080 (without 1080p,since that'd make the games run SLOOOOOWER than normal..if you know what i mean..i tried it with SINE MORA and...Errrrrr.....I just dont know how could my monitor can play 1080p without or something with the Nvidia Settings..or something

Just asking....


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 19:34    Post subject:
Why do people keep calling them XXX GTX, it's been 3 years since they started using it as a prefix damned Mad

And what @ 1920x1080 without 1080p DV2? That makes 0 sense. You either play at 1080p or you don't.
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DV2




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 19:55    Post subject:
but there's this mode on the Nvidia profile thing wich shows 1080p 59hz or something,but that makes everything very slow in games AND movies...SLOWER THAN NORMAL...UNPLAYABLE..UNWATCHABLE..

so i guess playing without that option on is like 1080p afterall.../me thinks..

But anyways,what about my question up there?...My card is connected with 2 x6 pin connectors


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 19:58    Post subject:
1920x1080 is the same thing as 1080p - it's a different designation of the same resolution.

Perhaps what you saw in the options was 1080 24Hz (or 1080p24)?

Edit: You don' need to change your CPU or PSU.
I can't tell you if it's worth it in terms performance though.
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 20:02    Post subject:
That PSU can handle a 660 Ti just fine and you will indeed notice it.

You need to learn what everything means though. 1080p means nothing else than 1920x1080 - 1080i means 1920x540. Both are just resolutions. If you're actually selecting 1080p60 or similar in your Nvidia control panel, you're in fact looking at HDTV resolutions and not the resolutions Nvidia detect your videocard supports. You should be able to select 1920x1080 and 120 Hz.
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 20:13    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
That PSU can handle a 660 Ti just fine and you will indeed notice it.

You need to learn what everything means though. 1080p means nothing else than 1920x1080 - 1080i means 1920x540. Both are just resolutions. If you're actually selecting 1080p60 or similar in your Nvidia control panel, you're in fact looking at HDTV resolutions and not the resolutions Nvidia detect your videocard supports. You should be able to select 1920x1080 and 120 Hz.


My monitor actually runs @1920x1080 with the 120hz option activated from the Windows 7's Monitor options (Unhide Hz Options since day 1 of this BenQ monitor) without the Nvidia Displayer thing..The GPU's connected to a DVI-DL cable and the mouse cursor moves smooooooooooth n the stuff...also,V-Sync on all games are Turned OFF

I can show off screenshots of what i mean if you want...

Are there any charts comparing a 460GTX to a 660GTX Ti OC on hardcore games or latest games that demands high specs?

Also,whenever i've wrote out about the Sandy Bridge it was because of putting the card in my PCI-E 16x 3.0 Slot (or whatever my mother board has,in the sig)...i've heard that,for a 600 series card to fully work / unleash it's potential on the MB it'll need an Ivy Bridge n the stuff...confirmation? óo


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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 21:04    Post subject:
I seem to recall you going through the exact same questions quite a while back...

You need the Ivy Bridge to get PCI-E to run at 3.0 specs that much is true, but you don't really need it to get the most from that GPU. 2.0 is more than enough for a 680, let alone 660, so you are fine either way.

And I don't really know how your 120hz non-Vsynced smooooooooooooooothness fits into all of this Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 15:25    Post subject:
Anybody have the ASUS GTX680 DCU2 TOP ?

Just wondering about overclocking...is it worthed ?...It's already killing everything I throw at it!!...

I know I can google and all but was just wondering if any of you have had a direct experience with that perticular model...

Thanks


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 17:07    Post subject:
My opinion is, if it's killing everything you throw at it, then you don't really need more, which means it's not worth it Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 21:27    Post subject:
If its good overclocker, you get like 20% free performance. Go for it, you OC kepler´s with default voltage so you cannot even kill it anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 23:48    Post subject:
Does anyone know of a site that compares the fan noises of 660 TI series cards under load?
I want to get a new card soon and the single most important thing this time is that its reasonably quiet, or makes a non-high pitched sound when it gets hot.
Audio samples would be great.
I wanted to get the EVGA FTW but need to know about noise levels first.
Or maybe I should get one with dual fans?


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 23:56    Post subject:
CaptnNemo wrote:
Anybody have the ASUS GTX680 DCU2 TOP ?

Just wondering about overclocking...is it worthed ?...It's already killing everything I throw at it!!...

I know I can google and all but was just wondering if any of you have had a direct experience with that perticular model...

Thanks


i run mine at +60 core
+500 mem
110% power target

dont see much difference in fps for most games, but my uniengine scores go up considerably from stock to these speeds. i can actually game with the mem quite a bit higher (+565) with no problems, but i start getting artifacts in uniengine at around +520, so i stopped here. im on stock cooling/fan profiles. idle temp is 29c and load is 59c with the fan never going past 30% (silent).
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Dec 2012 19:04    Post subject:
I just got a new XFX 7850 2Gb Core edition. Supposed to be OC but it isn't, the box and all the advertising regarding the card is all lies - it doesn't have XFX's 'Ghost' cooling system, it has a standard clock of 860Mhz.

And yet this card so far is nothing short of awesome!

I got it on a deal from dabs.com for £141 inc delivery, 2 free games (Sleeping Dogs and Dirt: Showdown).

IT was good out of the box, but what impressed me more was the OC on this card is ridiculous!

I always knew the 78xx series was good for OC, but I'm currently running this at 1050Mhz, memory clock is only at 1350Mhz, but that's still 100 OC. And just with the stock cooler, I'm barely scratching 75oC with intensive games (Skyrim for example, Ultra settings, 2K HD full textures 1920x1080).

So yeah.. it'll do the job Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Dec 2012 23:24    Post subject:
Taken from skyrim topic in pc games section.

The post refers to microstutter in Skyrim (and other games) on ati card. I await feedback of other users on this too.

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ixigia wrote:
If you want the info to appear in all the games just configure it like this:
(Global)


As for the framerate limit, add a new profile with the "+" button (bottom left corner) and then once you've done that, click on the "wrench" button (top right corner). Then tick the "Enable compatibility.." option and inserta a value for the limit.


ok. My results with testing microstutter caused by looking in diagonal axis. let me explain (this psot will be copied into hardware->gpu topic)

I have new 7870 amd card. Didn't had ati for long time. anyway - now that most games run 60fps I encounter something interesting. Especially in fallout, oblivion, skyrim games.

Let's take skyrim under the glass here.
- Skyrim is a roleplaying game set in a world of..... wait .. ok. I've noticed that game feels kinda choppy, stuttery/skips frames when I am looking around. That is even tho I have 60fps all the time.
First -turned off aa, af etc. nothing. microstutter still there.
second - tuned down mouse polling rate and turned of windows acceleration of mouse - nothing.
third - tried running game in window mode - ZING! fluid as butter. no sign of a microstutter.
But that couses a lot of other problems like game crashing too often. but there is a hope - there is a solution.

So I've tried Ixi, frame limiter method and it works! It seems that amd vsync or way gamebryo engine prepares frames to display is kinda "too much ahead".
Even tho skyrim is internally capped at 60fps, the game was proboably rendering more frames but only displaying those 60.

When using frame rate limiter in msi afterburner osd, even tho the new cap was set to 60, the game was smooth and microstutter was gone. The results were even a bit better on 59fps cap.

so wtf? I don't know. my quesiton is?


Is that a typical ati thingy ? (the microstutter)
what is the best way to force frame limit of 59/60 on all games ? that msi afterburner... I don't enjoy it but it works)
is that happening in more games ?

edit: Limiting framerate to 60, not only removes microstutter but helps with vsync lag. Thanks ixi for the tip Very Happy now everything is so responsive and fluid Me Gusta


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2012 11:33    Post subject:
Got a second HD7950 on Friday and good god.. What a pain in the ass can Crossfire be.

Biggest flaws by far compared to SLI:
- Crossfire doesn't work in Windowed games (SLI works on DX10/11 Windowed)
- There are no 120mm Crossfire Bridges, making it impossible to put my cards on Slot1 and Slot3 causing insanely more heat because the cards are next to eachother
- SLI seems to work in pretty much every game possible, there are several games that do NOT work with Crossfire Sad

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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2012 11:56    Post subject:
Yeah Crossfire is one of the core areas AMD could improve upon a lot, windowed mode problem has been known for quite a long time now though at least the video card doesn't run in 2d clocks anymore when such is used.

Unsure about the second point but I do believe AMD only makes those standard bridges, I have a few special ones from Asus that they tend to ship with their motherboards but I believe AMD had nothing to do with those.
(Three and four way Crossfire adapters, no longer flexible but they're quite big and can be used such as you describe in order to have a little air gap between GPU's for example.)

SLI gets regular profile updates and you can update the profiles from the Nvidia control panel, however for AMD you need the latest drivers and CAP's and it's still recommended to use Radeon Pro or similar to set up custom Crossfire profiles and scaling methods.
(Granted Nvidia utilities for this is also recommended on their side but it's not quite as important plus I believe AMD also often chooses to disable Crossfire entirely for problematic titles, just read the CAP changelogs and you'll see.)

http://www.kn00tcn.net/site/ati-catalyst-profiles/


When I used the 4870X2 GPU some years back I liked the setup and performance could be quite good but there were problematic games even then, also Crossfire support often mostly targets the latest generation of GPU's so older models might see stuttering or other weird behavior.
(Like the whole deal with the 12.11 beta's currently only officially supporting the 7000 series although it should function even on the 5000 series but there might be some issues.)
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2012 12:57    Post subject:
Any news on the AMD's 8000 and NV's 700 series?
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2012 13:23    Post subject:
Only the 8000 M thing which I guess is "Mobile" but I don't know much about it.
(EDIT: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/143579-amd-announces-new-hd-8000m-tips-hand-on-further-next-gen-products-for-2013 )

I don't think there's anything other than rumors for the NV 700 other than the what are they called again? Tesla cards I believe.
(EDIT: TEGRA, http://www.extremetech.com/computing/143613-tegra-4-specs-leak-quad-core-cortex-a15-72-core-gpu-28nm-4k-max-resolution )
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 09:52    Post subject:
Some BF3 benchmarking with Crossfire HD7950 if anyone might be interested: http://stigez.com/ocn/bf3bench/

10 min runs each while playing so not just some demo runs on empty servers, they were all full.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 10:07    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/oem-solutions/Pages/desktop.aspx#2

The desktop 8000 series.
( http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=373260 )

Nope. Read carefully: that's OEM only Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 10:28    Post subject:
Hmm I was under the impression that whether OEM (Those pre-built systems.) or retailer the individual hardware, in this case the 8000 GPU's, would be the same.

The first two GPU models are re-branded but the rest seem correct to me.

I'm going to have to check the 7000 series to compare I guess.
(I'm pretty terrible when it comes to hardware.)


EDIT: Ah now I see, I was quite wrong.
(Again, probably due to my limited knowledge and understanding, this makes little sense to me but I guess that's how it works.)
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 10:35    Post subject:
This happens every year around this time of year Smile

OEMs go to Nvidia and AMD (and yes, both do this bullshit, before anyone jumps in) "WE NED NEW GPU CHEAP PLZ lol wut" when they're preparing to launch their new range of overpriced pre-built systems. Obviously neither is going to offer the latest and greatest because they're too expensive to make - and even then the margins on the rebadged OEM parts are quite terrible.

If you go through the list, you'll see that the 89/88/87 are all last year's GCN parts. Below that AMD's actually putting in some new parts (at least that 8670/8570 don't look familiar to me at all) and below THAT there's even good old Evergreen Smile


Edit: yep, those 2 chips are new ones, at least according to AnandTech. Not that we give a shit about them, but still Laughing
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