This is happening alot nowadays next to the crime related issues of immigration.
Now what do you people think on how we should treat people like this? I personally think that because these people will never be compatible with the Western world a forced deportation followed by a ban would be the only solution. I dont consider screaming death to the West or stuff like that an element of free speech that we should allow. Sadly the only way to protect free speech is limiting the power of expression of those that seek to harm it.
I know this post is all over the place but meh, Im tired and you are all smart enough to see the point, what do you think?
Well we have alot of muslims on the university I study on and I havent seen nor heard anything like that going on here. Actually a co-student of mine who is a muslim with the scarf and all thought that "Innoncence of muslims" was as ridicolous as it was bad, and toke it with a laugh as I can imagine most danish muslims do.
I think multiculturalism is a byproduct of globalization and is inevitable like it or not. I personally think it only broadens our understanding of a whole range of cultures and is quite interesting not to westerners but also to those who come here.
My Mother works in the social system here and have alot of immigrants from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq under her wing. And their stories and gratefulness for coming here don't get on liveleak or any other media.
Every single shouting monkey in that clip should have been deported with their families. In Sweden there is so fucking many ungrateful immigrants exploiting the system, lying about their age and doing all kinds of shit. Not saying all of them are bad but a lot of them are which is a disgrace
There is nothing interesting or requiring "broadening my understanding" of retarded Islamist cultures, they can keep them to themselves. Sinking your head in the sand just because the Muslims you know are laughing something off is very dangerous. "Oh, it's just that vocal minority; most of the ones I know are nothing like that." Oh? Where is their voice against these freaks? Or the freaks in Libya? Or the freaks in Australia? These are perverted human beings and they have no place in modern society, none.
I must be very unexposed to all this cultural boom about Muslims.... Why such fever for this prophet? I know christians also go feverishly mad, but maybe its the exposure but i find that muslims are really uptight about the prophet, they get seriously mad and violent. Its almost scary.
Ive seen christians nutjobs too, but i dont remember any case going this violent. Maybe its the difference in the jokes and insults against Mohammed vs the ones made against Christianity.
If i were to presence something like this i would be amazed and confused of how violent it turned in less than 1 min.
Edit: Ok thats just mad fanatics. Thats extremely dangerous, i cant imagine a riot involving a muslin inccident. Hell no.
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There should be a selection at the gates to get only the good immigrants. All potential immigrants should undergo vigorous mental and physical tests to ensure western countries get the best of the best, since all 'natives' are so fucking awesome. Oh and make sure to let them sign a contract ensuring their offspring will behave too (if they misbehave just deport the fuckers).
Do what we command otherwise we'll riot and spread violence and hatred. Allahu Akbar.
There's just no defending that, for Christ's sake (yes, you see what I did there ) and it's just getting more and more ridiculous all the time. It's only ever "free speech" when it's used to defend the "Prophet", the same rights and privileges don't extend to people that decry the "Prophet"
On the subject of immigration in general, I think people are undermining how much of a pillar of the society hard working immigrants can be. For instance, here in Israel, without African and Philippine workers, the entire elderly care system would collapse, as well as large portions of cleaning services. They do such hard work, and I see none of the "proper" Israelis do it. I hear retards here in Israel go "they steal our jobs"; oh do me a favor you imbeciles, when was the last time you wiped the ass of a 80 year old paralyzed geriatric?
Im surprised of this video, if most mulims are like this im losing respect for that culture, such anger and violence, sum it up with that fucking religious uproar and chanting just shows me dangerous religious fanatics that under a pretense could go into a full blown war for any reason that they may seem valid.
On the subject of immigration in general, I think people are undermining how much of a pillar of the society hard working immigrants can be. For instance, here in Israel, without African and Philippine workers, the entire elderly care system would collapse, as well as large portions of cleaning services. They do such hard work, and I see none of the "proper" Israelis do it. I hear retards here in Israel go "they steal our jobs"; oh do me a favor you imbeciles, when was the last time you wiped the ass of a 80 year old paralyzed geriatric?
This I absolutely agree with completely, it's the same thing in England with Polish and Ukranian workers coming over - these guys and girls work their fucking arses off doing jobs other people complain about, yet the same complainers then whine about "stealing our jobs" There simply isn't enough in the world to cover my opinion of those imbeciles. I have ZERO problem with immigration whatsoever, I don't who comes to what country and for what reason --- as long as they INTEGRATE into that culture and not try to suppress or change it to fit their own ideals. Either integrate with the country, which means abiding by their laws and their ideals, or .. quite simply.. get the fuck out and never return. I would never even dream of going to an Islamic country and screaming "DEATH TO MUSLIMS! DEATH TO THE EASTERN INFIDELS!" in towns, not ever, and not just out of fear for my own life (which is a very true fact) but simply because it ISN'T DONE. You just don't do that! You respect the culture of the country you are in, period.
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There is nothing interesting or requiring "broadening my understanding" of retarded Islamist cultures, they can keep them to themselves.
Sure I nor anyone else are forcing you to understand anything regarding Islamic culture.
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Sinking your head in the sand just because the Muslims you know are laughing something off is very dangerous
Why is that? Again I haven't seen any of that stuff in my daily life where there are alot of Muslims. First hand impressions are much more rational to build anything upon. Alot of people forgets that most people even with Islamic background just want basic needs as do anyone else. I don't and never will get the fearmongering crowd who tries to show a old Liveleak and then paint a picture on 1 billion people. I'm not praising Muslims here since there are of course retards inbetween in this society but there are just as many idiotic danes.
I know you are in a completely different culture and with the conflict and all so I can't say I blame you. But if you think you can generalize that view upon Denmark then you are wrong.
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"Oh, it's just that vocal minority; most of the ones I know are nothing like that." Oh? Where is their voice against these freaks? Or the freaks in Libya? Or the freaks in Australia? These are perverted human beings and they have no place in modern society, none.
I'm a baptized Christian (for whatever that's worth) should I make excuses for priests banging children? Idiots burning down abortion clinics? Of course not. Place the guilt on individuals instead of the religion.
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I'm a baptized Christian (for whatever that's worth) should I make excuses for priests banging children? Idiots burning down abortion clinics? Of course not. Place the guilt on individuals instead of the religion.
He's not asking you to make excuses, he's asking you to speak out against atrocities like that. That's the point. I'm just going to quote an old, and constantly ignored, statement;
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"In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing"
"It's the vocal minority!" Yeah? Well stand up then. Stand up and denounce them! If people don't speak out against the "vocal minority" then nothing will ever change, or rather.. that minority will continue to grow in number and suddenly..oops. Too late. So yes, I completely and wholeheartedly support the idea of deportation of people that not only refuse to integrate into the culture of a country they reside in, but also riot and act like violent apes (such as in that video) just because someone does something that their "prophet" disagrees with. The Crusades are fucking over .. there's simply no need for more religious violence and intolerance in this day and age.
There is nothing interesting or requiring "broadening my understanding" of retarded Islamist cultures, they can keep them to themselves.
Sure I nor anyone else are forcing you to understand anything regarding Islamic culture.
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Sinking your head in the sand just because the Muslims you know are laughing something off is very dangerous
Why is that? Again I haven't seen any of that stuff in my daily life where there are alot of Muslims. First hand impressions are much more rational to build anything upon. Alot of people forgets that most people even with Islamic background just want basic needs as do anyone else. I don't and never will get the fearmongering crowd who tries to show a old Liveleak and then paint a picture on 1 billion people. I'm not praising Muslims here since there are of course retards inbetween in this society but there are just as many idiotic danes.
I know you are in a completely different culture and with the conflict and all so I can't say I blame you. But if you think you can generalize that view upon Denmark then you are wrong.
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"Oh, it's just that vocal minority; most of the ones I know are nothing like that." Oh? Where is their voice against these freaks? Or the freaks in Libya? Or the freaks in Australia? These are perverted human beings and they have no place in modern society, none.
I'm a baptized Christian (for whatever that's worth) should I make excuses for priests banging children? Idiots burning down abortion clinics? Of course not. Place the guilt on individuals instead of the religion.
No one is forcing me to understand Islamic culture? Really? What about those retards with the "behead those that insult Islam" signs? What of those more "moderate" that went on TV and said "understand, this is a very deep insult, and you brought it on yourself with that video"? No, this a quickly spreading cancer in disguise. You mention priests, and indeed there is no excuse. But it all comes down to numbers. How many priests have raped? How many abortion clinics have been burned? How many homosexuals have been beheaded? How many girls have had their clitorises cut off barbarically? How many killed in terrorist acts?
All religion is terrible. It has long ended its purpose and overstayed its welcome. The difference is, while Christianity's horrible deeds are becoming less and less frequent, Islam "extremism" seems to be on the rise.
I'm a baptized Christian (for whatever that's worth) should I make excuses for priests banging children? Idiots burning down abortion clinics? Of course not. Place the guilt on individuals instead of the religion.
He's not asking you to make excuses, he's asking you to speak out against atrocities like that. That's the point. I'm just going to quote an old, and constantly ignored, statement;
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"In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing"
"It's the vocal minority!" Yeah? Well stand up then. Stand up and denounce them! If people don't speak out against the "vocal minority" then nothing will ever change, or rather.. that minority will continue to grow in number and suddenly..oops. Too late.
I agree, but still I don't think its anyone responsibility other than those who have done wrong doing. It's not my job to actually denounce anything since we are individuals and individuals are whats causing problems, at least in this country...
Honestly mate? I think it's a global responsibility to stand up and stamp out religious hatred, violence, intolerance and other nastinesses. Whether we follow that religion or not, I do believe we - as a race - should be universally opposed to it. Just as we should have done back during the Crusades but everyone was too scared of reprisals
I agree, but still I don't think its anyone responsibility other than those who have done wrong doing. It's not my job to actually denounce anything since we are individuals and individuals are whats causing problems, at least in this country...
No, this is why things have gone so wrong as of late, and why I fear for the future, especially Europe's. Because in 10-20 years, where more and more of these retards spread, all it takes is for someone charismatic to rise and unite all the oppressed individuals. We had, that remember? If Europe and indeed the world doesn't wake up and properly disarm this situation, things will get very bad, I fear.
There is nothing interesting or requiring "broadening my understanding" of retarded Islamist cultures, they can keep them to themselves.
Sure I nor anyone else are forcing you to understand anything regarding Islamic culture.
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Sinking your head in the sand just because the Muslims you know are laughing something off is very dangerous
Why is that? Again I haven't seen any of that stuff in my daily life where there are alot of Muslims. First hand impressions are much more rational to build anything upon. Alot of people forgets that most people even with Islamic background just want basic needs as do anyone else. I don't and never will get the fearmongering crowd who tries to show a old Liveleak and then paint a picture on 1 billion people. I'm not praising Muslims here since there are of course retards inbetween in this society but there are just as many idiotic danes.
I know you are in a completely different culture and with the conflict and all so I can't say I blame you. But if you think you can generalize that view upon Denmark then you are wrong.
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"Oh, it's just that vocal minority; most of the ones I know are nothing like that." Oh? Where is their voice against these freaks? Or the freaks in Libya? Or the freaks in Australia? These are perverted human beings and they have no place in modern society, none.
I'm a baptized Christian (for whatever that's worth) should I make excuses for priests banging children? Idiots burning down abortion clinics? Of course not. Place the guilt on individuals instead of the religion.
No one is forcing me to understand Islamic culture? Really? What about those retards with the "behead those that insult Islam" signs? What of those more "moderate" that went on TV and said "understand, this is a very deep insult, and you brought it on yourself with that video"? No, this a quickly spreading cancer in disguise. You mention priests, and indeed there is no excuse. But it all comes down to numbers. How many priests have raped? How many abortion clinics have been burned? How many homosexuals have been beheaded? How many girls have had their clitorises cut off barbarically? How many killed in terrorist acts?
All religion is terrible. It has long ended its purpose and overstayed its welcome. The difference is, while Christianity's horrible deeds are becoming less and less frequent, Islam "extremism" seems to be on the rise.
We have modernism on our side and the importance of religion is fading even in America where a new survey stated 19,3 percent of the Americans aren't in a religious institution which is only good. Society should be build on rationality not spirituality.
In my optic alot of things are making extremism blossom - the Gaza conflict, Iraq & Afghanistan. None of those are really helping anything since they serve as fuel for imams with personal agendas to get people fired up. Also alot of Islamic states are unfortunately still years behind the western world but I'm not defending anything in those states they can burn for all I care or reform.
The problem is not those states. We are discussing individuals from those states immigrating to Europe or Oceania or America and attempting to impose their twisted point of view on a "modernist" society. This is the problem. At first, the mantra is "respect us, we harm no one" but then it is "obey us or we'll harm you", as has been continuously evident.
I agree, but still I don't think its anyone responsibility other than those who have done wrong doing. It's not my job to actually denounce anything since we are individuals and individuals are whats causing problems, at least in this country...
No, this is why things have gone so wrong as of late, and why I fear for the future, especially Europe's. Because in 10-20 years, where more and more of these retards spread, all it takes is for someone charismatic to rise and unite all the oppressed individuals. We had, that remember? If Europe and indeed the world doesn't wake up and properly disarm this situation, things will get very bad, I fear.
Well we can speculate all we want, fact is I speak of my own society and at least here most of muslims, arent planning to make Hitler 2.0. Why would they? The basics of a normal human being is fulfilled.
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Honestly mate? I think it's a global responsibility to stand up and stamp out religious hatred, violence, intolerance and other nastinesses. Whether we follow that religion or not, I do believe we - as a race - should be universally opposed to it. Just as we should have done back during the Crusades but everyone was too scared of reprisals
Absolutely if we could all find common ground to reform the world to not be depended on religion that would be swell. Tho we weren't a lot better ourselves during the crusades mate
The problem is not those states. We are discussing individuals from those states immigrating to Europe or Oceania or America and attempting to impose their twisted point of view on a "modernist" society. This is the problem. At first, the mantra is "respect us, we harm no one" but then it is "obey us or we'll harm you", as has been continuously evident.
So you are telling me individuals who are mostly refugees comes to our society not to escape persucation, poverty and famine but to change our society to an islamic republic? Again I can't see anything leading to that here nor do I see the connection.
Why are you putting words in my mouth? The discussion is about those that do. Not all, but some do, and this discussion is about them. There are also immigrants who set off with the sole purpose of spreading their culture. I believe it's called "Jihad". Not everyone chooses to blow themselves up; some choose the slow grind of culture spread.
Why are you putting words in my mouth? The discussion is about those that do. Not all, but some do, and this discussion is about them. There are also immigrants who set off with the sole purpose of spreading their culture. I believe it's called "Jihad". Not everyone chooses to blow themselves up; some choose the slow grind of culture spread.
Sure and there are some immigrants who are grateful to be here and actually adapts the culture or lives fine besides it. I think the angle depends on how hysterical one is to this whole discussion. You might rationalize that way, I do not.
On the subject of immigration in general, I think people are undermining how much of a pillar of the society hard working immigrants can be. For instance, here in Israel, without African and Philippine workers, the entire elderly care system would collapse, as well as large portions of cleaning services. They do such hard work, and I see none of the "proper" Israelis do it. I hear retards here in Israel go "they steal our jobs"; oh do me a favor you imbeciles, when was the last time you wiped the ass of a 80 year old paralyzed geriatric?
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) and it's just getting more and more ridiculous all the time. It's only ever "free speech" when it's used to defend the "Prophet", the same rights and privileges don't extend to people that decry the "Prophet" 
in the world to cover my opinion of those imbeciles. I have ZERO problem with immigration whatsoever, I don't who comes to what country and for what reason --- as long as they INTEGRATE into that culture and not try to suppress or change it to fit their own ideals. Either integrate with the country, which means abiding by their laws and their ideals, or .. quite simply.. get the fuck out and never return. I would never even dream of going to an Islamic country and screaming "DEATH TO MUSLIMS! DEATH TO THE EASTERN INFIDELS!" in towns, not ever, and not just out of fear for my own life (which is a very true fact) but simply because it ISN'T DONE. You just don't do that! You respect the culture of the country you are in, period.
