Mobo + Cpu 260-280usd max?
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 14:57    Post subject: Mobo + Cpu 260-280usd max?
So... I will not get whole pc right away as I've planned in my last pc build topic. Last month I've got hdd, mouse and display. This month it's Motherboard and cpu. And hopefully case too.

So I am finally upgrading Razz Next month gpu, ram, psu.

So I am wondering if upgrading only cpu and mobo right now is possible? Will my current ram still work on the new mobo?

I should have about 260-280$ to spend on this, this month so that's it.

Maybe AMD Phenom II X4 965 BOX (3.4GHz, Quad Core, 6MB, 125W, AM3) Black Edition ?
It is cheap at least... If I would get this cpu and some asrock mobo or something I maybe also could afford a solid case this month

Any suggestions ?


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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 15:00    Post subject:
i5 2500k + asrock mobo.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 15:01    Post subject:
If you can squeeze it..i5 2500k or 3570k and an asrock board. (they are rather cheap).
What im running right now, a 2500k at 4ghz. and built a 3570k for a friend. they just cant be beat.

My work comp has a i7-2600k in it, and Mine is neck and neck for performance with it. nothing so far I throw at it even makes it break a sweat.

So far, the only reason to even go over a i5 2500k to the i7 version, is bragging rights to say you have an I7..real world they aren't any noticeable difference in performance.


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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 15:08    Post subject:
farne wrote:
i5 2500k + asrock mobo.


yea I got the i5 and a the asRock p67 extreme4 gen3. and I got to say this is the best setup I've been happy with since waaay back in the day when AMD athlon was the king. well 4-5 years ago if you consider that 'waay back'.

Tossed it together, changed the multiplier in bios, installed OS.and been solid ever since. not one crash or such since I built it about a year ago.


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 15:12    Post subject:
ok. So 2500k or 3570k and asrock it is?

Those are a bit beyond my budget but I will see what I can do this month:P There is certainly no point getting something weak for cheap.

So surely no amd? I thought 2500k is old and overrated now


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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 15:16    Post subject:
No, its still one of the best "bang for the buck" CPU's out there.
the 3570k isnt any different performance wise..its a few 100 mhz faster, and ivy bridge. so its a coke/pepsi thing on if you want to spend the extra 30 bucks for it over the 2500k.

But even at stock clocks, either meets or beats the $1000 Core i7-990X Extreme Edition when it comes to gaming.

EDIT:
From september review:

"Our tests demonstrate fairly little difference between a $225 LGA 1155 Core i5-2500K and a $1000 LGA 2011 Core i7-3960X, even when three-way graphics card configurations are involved. It turns out that memory bandwidth and PCIe throughput don't hold back the performance of existing Sandy Bridge-based machines."


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farne




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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 15:18    Post subject:
i5-3570k might be a little bit faster, but it's a lot less heat efficient because intel jewed on the internal cooling.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 15:21    Post subject:
It's all you need for gaming.
Going to buy myself a new CPU + mobo myself and an i5 3570k seems to be the best for the price of ~200€, also ASrock seems to be a good choice for a board. I'd like to buy another Gigabyte board, but the one I want cost 40€ more and "only" offers 3xPCIe which I don't need.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 17:28    Post subject:
2500k or 3570k are basically the same price here. aout 800-900pln

that leaves me with NOT much for a mobo. Being asricj p67 extreme4 too expensive.


dang it. I was hoping to get all that stuff cheaper to squeeze case there too. Next month I guess


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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 17:33    Post subject:
well you dont need the extreme asrock versions. many of their 50-60$ boards are very good also for the price.
I just happen to be doing my "every few years" upgrade at the time and had the money, so went with one of the higher boards.
All depends on what you plan on doing down the road, like needing 4 DIMM slots, extra PCI-E for another card..etc.


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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 17:46    Post subject:
will my old geil 800mhz work on the new board ?


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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 17:52    Post subject:
No Sad..its ddr2, you will need dd3.


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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Oct 2012 17:55    Post subject:
Dang it. I was hoping it would be compatibile. I would get new ram next month anyway


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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Oct 2012 15:13    Post subject:
what about
MSI Z77 G43 vs ASRock P67 Pro3

and so, if I need to get memories, I will head for 8gb for now. What brand? kingtone? geil? corsair?
DDR3 8GB 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance XMP - very cheap. 2x4 cl8

wow. Ram memory is so cheap now. It's almost heart breaking I;ve paid about 160$ for my geil 2gb 5 years ago Laughing

yep. That is alltogether 450$, not 280:P
so next month or |MOM HELP!!!| Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Oct 2012 15:39    Post subject:
Get the cheapest you can find, you won't notice any difference. And about the mobos, I'd go for the ASRock.
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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Oct 2012 18:46    Post subject:
farne wrote:
i5 2500k + asrock mobo.



i5 2500k + Asus or MSI mobo.


+ An english dictionary, you need to fix that 'You' syndrome.


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Oct 2012 18:47    Post subject:
Still waiting for more feedback for above questions Smile
Right now its asrock vs msi vs maybe asus
edit: You can send me an english dictionary. I will burn it with pleasure Cool Face

In the same time - chasis.
~100$. I am surprised to find this:
SilentiumPC Regnum L50
http://www.silentiumpc.com/regnum-l50-pure-black/?lang=en

It is new polish company and all polish tech sites are praising it for quality/price ratio.

edit:
upgraded to those ram
ingston HyperX DDR3 2X 4GB 1600MHz XMP X2 CL9 Grey Edition (Sandy Bridge)

edit2:
Still -all this is kinda weird. nobody recommending any amd?
like AMD Phenom II X4 965 BOX Black. Its only half the price of 2500k. Reall. even more than half. I could deal with 10% lower performance Razz

look. 3-4fps difference between heavy overclocked 2500k
http://www.overclock.net/t/1121764/phenom-ii-x4-965-vs-i5-2500k-for-gaming/10

at least in that game, this is. i am still searching for other comparisons


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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Oct 2012 21:52    Post subject:
OK CHANGE OF PLANS.

The new goal = DREAM PC of gamer (lets be reasonable)

I am not doing a pc every year but every 4-5 years.


The new plan is:
3570K
Asrock Z77 board
16gb kingston Hyperx (not sure yet)
some 650-750W psu (not sure yet)
GTX660 or 660ti.
chasis Corsarir 300r, fractal 3000 or something else.

It will take me another 3 months to complete or I will just go to a bank. This month I should be able to get 2 or 3 parts. Not sure if mobo, cpu, ram.

btw. I will clock the shit out of that 3570k and I want some water cooling recommendations, DAYUM I am pumped like a child now Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Oct 2012 22:21    Post subject:
farne wrote:
i5-3570k might be a little bit faster, but it's a lot less heat efficient because intel jewed on the internal cooling.


i can confirm this. installed the i5 3570k and at stock clock, its a lot hotter than my old i5 Lynnfield, even overclocked at the same speed from the new one, got me cooler temps.

for example, Lynnfield 2,8GHz, OC to 3,66 Ghz, ran at 60° C - 68° C. on gaming, maximus temperature.

Ivy Bridge, at stock clock 3,6 Ghz, is running at 75° C maximus temperature by gaming.

i don't want to OC this by now, till my supercool icewater megacooling device is ready Razz but its quite messy to make it ready.
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Oct 2012 22:27    Post subject:
Why overclock it? Enough power with default clock rates and you should wait at least till the warranty expires (if money is an issue) IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Oct 2012 22:36    Post subject:
I will be getting Antec Kühler H2O 620 to help with temps.

Finally I might bring my enhusiast dream to life. its closer than ever. having a steady job really helps Razz
Too bad the job pays poorly but at least i can hide some money each month Razz

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edit:
http://pl.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/SABERTOOTH_Z77/
holy shit. Now that is a bit too expensive for mobo Razz


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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Oct 2012 22:54    Post subject:
flipp wrote:
Why overclock it? Enough power with default clock rates and you should wait at least till the warranty expires (if money is an issue) IMO.


true... but... overclocking its like a game on itself. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Oct 2012 22:55    Post subject:
Is there anything more powerfull than 3570k ?

I mean considering it's price. more than 4 cores would be nice and a bit futureproof


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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Oct 2012 04:31    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
Is there anything more powerfull than 3570k ?

I mean considering it's price. more than 4 cores would be nice and a bit futureproof


No reason to get an i7..by the time you need more than 4 cores, the 8 core you WOULD have gotten would be old, outdated, slow, and an old nm size. Like I said, in many reviews, the i5 2500k/3570k show no difference in performance than the $1000 i7.

I got the 2500k in my machine, and a i7 in my work machine. I can literally tell no difference myself either..be it games, benchmark, stress tests..even the "shake your e-peen' benchmarks that show how much better a CPU is underload..its not even enough difference in scores to mention.

If you are going over overclock..get the 2500k in my opinion. its a LOT cooler, and stable than the 3570k.
Ive had mine stable for weeks at 4.4ghz..but wasn't any real difference i noticed to have it that high so turned it back down to 4ghz.

So even trying to future proof, any current 8 core, would be 'crappy relic you need to upgrade' by the time you need a 8 cores to see any difference.

Was like me jumping on the q9550 bandwagon of "OH 4 cores, this will ROCK'. by the time 4 cores became the 'high end norm' mine was put to shame by the newer/faster/better/cooler 4 cores being made.

I cant give the q9550 away to my friends, even though it was 'top of the line' when it came out only a handful of years ago. Because they go "Sure its a quad core, like the average cores now..but its slow, cache sucks, bigger die size, and is blown away by even an average $200 CPU. now a days"


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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Oct 2012 04:40    Post subject:
Imo get this ram..and why would you 16gigs of ram is beyond me
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096
and this mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

and you willl be good


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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Oct 2012 15:13    Post subject:
Haha Very Happy yes! My payment is here. Enough to get cpu, mobo and 8gb of ram Very Happy
Maybe even chasis if I will be willing to spend rest of the month starving

I hope the new rig will run on my 450w chieftec and 8800gt untile next month, when I will upgrade these.


I am putting an order on thursday. So any suggestions until that day are very welcome.
It is either:
2500k and asrock p67 pro3 (is that good mobo/combo?)
Or
3570k and asrock z77 - this is a less possible and more expensive build. Worth it over 2500k build?

And 2x4 kingston 1600 hyperx or something. I am still not sure about ram. 1333 or 1600?

Chasis will be corsair 300r or fractal 3000 depending on what is cheaper/aviable

Yay!


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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Oct 2012 16:06    Post subject:
Get the 2500k. Not worth going for a 3570 over it. Same goes for more cores or hyperthreading - for gaming it's not going to matter, ever. By the time we get up to 4+ core usage the new CPUs will be so much more powerful than what you have that you could have 24 cores and still not gain much from it.

RAM doesn't matter much for gaming, games will never use all the bandwidth. That said, there shouldn't be much of a price difference between 1333 and 1600, but the latter usually is easier to work with when you start overclocking. Barely any difference over here anyway Smile

As for the rest, just take your time. I'd save the overclocking until you've actually got your chassis and most of the parts you want. Why? Because otherwise you'll end up redoing your wiring ten times; and you do want to route your wires properly for airflow Wink

And you *are* a console noob <3



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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Oct 2012 19:43    Post subject:
ok then. Sure I should get asrock p67 b3 mobo? It is quite cheap so I would like to get it.

yeah. I will get antec kuhler 920 or 620 in a couple of months to do a cooling. After I get psu and gpu next month. and chasis. not sure If I will get it this month or another. I will try to buy it this month not to switch mobos again next month


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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Oct 2012 20:01    Post subject:
I have a Corsair Carbide 500R (boxed) collecting dust... and a Fractal Design R3...
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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Oct 2012 23:36    Post subject:
Ok right now it is:

2500k
asrock p67 pro3 br OR SI Z77A-G43 (G3)
Kingston 2x4gb hyperX grey 1600mhz
520W Antec High Current Gamer 520

I am still rather confused with motherboard and psu. Maybe Corsair 600W? IT's cheaper


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