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I generally abide by a simple rule 'Respect cops, and they respect you'.
Every time i've ever been confronted by policemen i've always been polite and respectful and they've always let me off. If you're aggressive or insolent towards cops, they tend to indite you for the most simple things. But i've never had a problem with that.
what exactly was your reaction Accelleron when they approached you?
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | MAD_MAX333 wrote: | i meant to say for the paycheque that we get, don't expect us to jump infront of every single bullet coming yourway.... and i do love it for your information bud...
you are still ignorant to generalize a LARGE portion of society who deal with law enforcement |
Oh and on that note dude, I look at cops the same way I look at teachers, priests and judges....Its a vocation, not a job...being a cop to me is a calling, thats why I wouldnt be one. I mean, if I were a cop, I would look at it like Im a public servant of the law and no matter whether im on or off duty, I have an obligation - because of training, backup etc - to act on a crime/injustice if I see one. Once u look at being a cop like a job, i think the essence has been lost.
Why do u think schools are going to shit nowadays? back in the day, a teacher was the guide, the parent, the morality officer, the educator of a child. Its the teachers job to make sure that the child has the tools (in relation to education) to succeed in life and to be an educated member of the public...but thats gone to shit...teaching is simply a 9-5 job so to speak and for the most part, teacher's lack the will to actually care and guide their students, even the bad ones, in life.
While I cant say the cops are over paid (how much does an entry level officer make man? seriously), teacher's in my view, are way to over paid...I believe in Ontario the entry level salary is 45-50G's a year depending on what ur teaching and what level of education u are teaching...and I mean, thats only for 10 months a year + numerous vacation days in between. Thats a great fuckin deal to me.
Anyway, to sum it up, if ur a cop ur a cop - on or off duty. Its a calling, not a job. |
so true, when it regards serious issues like human life, security, law, you cant see it as a simple job. no matter what, here in germany cops are always on-duty, it should be like that everywhere.
a cop is not a fuckin taxi driver, human life isnt as cheap as a ride from one place to the other.
sure the salary is low and it is a tough job hence, but nobody forces you to become a cop.
you certainly need the right moral mindset, if you think of it as just a job where you can take your breaks here and there no matter what happens, then the job definitely isnt for you, go find something else. |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 20:00 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | I generally abide by a simple rule 'Respect cops, and they respect you'.
Every time i've ever been confronted by policemen i've always been polite and respectful and they've always let me off. If you're aggressive or insolent towards cops, they tend to indite you for the most simple things. But i've never had a problem with that.
what exactly was your reaction Accelleron when they approached you? |
Like I said, my attitude was meek. Respectful and humble, if you will. |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 21:24 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | I generally abide by a simple rule 'Respect cops, and they respect you'.
Every time i've ever been confronted by policemen i've always been polite and respectful and they've always let me off. If you're aggressive or insolent towards cops, they tend to indite you for the most simple things. But i've never had a problem with that.
what exactly was your reaction Accelleron when they approached you? |
Maybe the bobby's (uk police right?) are different...cops in my area of the world, for the most part are fuckin corrupt and stereotype ppl bad. I've respected all the cops i have dealt with...until they gave me the phone book treatment a couple of times for no reason...u know what i mean eh max?
Again, not all cops are bad, but the majority around my area run drugs, are in some way involved in gangs and generally corrupt - the ones i have dealt with anyhow, and thats quite a few |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 08:27 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | MAD_MAX333 wrote: | i meant to say for the paycheque that we get, don't expect us to jump infront of every single bullet coming yourway.... and i do love it for your information bud...
you are still ignorant to generalize a LARGE portion of society who deal with law enforcement |
Oh and on that note dude, I look at cops the same way I look at teachers, priests and judges....Its a vocation, not a job...being a cop to me is a calling, thats why I wouldnt be one. I mean, if I were a cop, I would look at it like Im a public servant of the law and no matter whether im on or off duty, I have an obligation - because of training, backup etc - to act on a crime/injustice if I see one. Once u look at being a cop like a job, i think the essence has been lost.
Why do u think schools are going to shit nowadays? back in the day, a teacher was the guide, the parent, the morality officer, the educator of a child. Its the teachers job to make sure that the child has the tools (in relation to education) to succeed in life and to be an educated member of the public...but thats gone to shit...teaching is simply a 9-5 job so to speak and for the most part, teacher's lack the will to actually care and guide their students, even the bad ones, in life.
While I cant say the cops are over paid (how much does an entry level officer make man? seriously), teacher's in my view, are way to over paid...I believe in Ontario the entry level salary is 45-50G's a year depending on what ur teaching and what level of education u are teaching...and I mean, thats only for 10 months a year + numerous vacation days in between. Thats a great fuckin deal to me.
Anyway, to sum it up, if ur a cop ur a cop - on or off duty. Its a calling, not a job. |
so true, when it regards serious issues like human life, security, law, you cant see it as a simple job. no matter what, here in germany cops are always on-duty, it should be like that everywhere.
a cop is not a fuckin taxi driver, human life isnt as cheap as a ride from one place to the other.
sure the salary is low and it is a tough job hence, but nobody forces you to become a cop.
you certainly need the right moral mindset, if you think of it as just a job where you can take your breaks here and there no matter what happens, then the job definitely isnt for you, go find something else. |
wtf??no, i can't stop anything, police in canada are NOT allowed to carry a weapon offduty... so i have just as much power against a guy with ak nife or gun as every other person... so no i'm not gonna make a shield out of myself... and SycoShaman i don't know what u mean, i am sure there are bad apples but i haven't met any, and i have a rough teen years and have dealt with cops while being on the other side of the situation before... maybe its ur area
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 08:38 Post subject: |
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with that said, i do my best to defuse any situation i come up to..fights or anything and i do my part to inform the on duty peeps of any problems...
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 15:11 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | PoorLeno wrote: | | That's what you get for enslaving people. |
I sincerely hope you are not serious, because that was just ignorant.
Just as with the Jewish/Holocaust issue, and perhaps more so, the people demanding benefits from slavery have never been through slavery. IF anything, they have MORE opportunity today than the average American. Have you ever heard of Affirmative Action? Didn't think so. It's a program that reserves a set amount (somewhere in the order of 10%, if I'm not mistaken) of seats in places like college, for "minority" (read: black) students. Yep, I have less of a shot at a good college because people of their race (not even their relatives, most of the people I deal with are first-generation immigrants) were once abused. That's beside the fact that they get more scholarship money, public sympathy, a better shot at official jobs (AA, again) and many other benefits I do not. So don't fucking tell me about enslaving anyone.
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Damn right I'm serious! It's not only the enslaving; it's the political system you got. A large community in America will never get out of the gutter, unless it's helped along. And who wants to help blacks?
I've seen many a documentary about this, perhaps twisted and opinionated, but then it's up to you to prove them wrong. Generally these portray regions of the USA as hopeless gutters, where people have no chance, and are forced into lives of crime. From children having shooting weapons, to black mothers working 3 jobs just to get food and maybe some ammo on the table. Many new immigrants find themselves working for minimum wage, or “picking fruit” for even less, illegally. Not to mention that your healthcare is proportionate to your relative material income, which leaves many poor without necessary medical treatment. It's not a laughing matter however. I'm not a Marxist, but I think that his theory of exploitation applies here, and is very well saturated.
Generally speaking, though exploiters in the past, Europeans have now exonerated themselves with countless programs not only to help third world countries, but also to open doors to immigrants, and offer them fair treatment. This is something America will never do, because your political and business leaders are bent on preserving the wealth they have amassed, all the while brainwashing the public into thinking that this is the root of freedom.
Even though you are right on the money, that individual people of any race do have opportunities in the US, the public (in low wealth regions) in general does not. I don't find this statement contradictory, because of countless real life examples of the contrary.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 19:14 Post subject: |
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| PoorLeno wrote: | | And who wants to help blacks? |
omg almost every1 in USA wants to help blacks mainly cuz they r afraid they'll get sued if they dont give em a job
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Max - Well, I dont really wanna say this but still..kinda to much info
but I lived in Peel till i was about....15 or 16... and trust me, Peel cops are the most corrupt in Canada, next to BC - most of my opinions are based from them
I haven't really had a problem with metro cops, unless ur a smartass ya know?
The only thing I can really complain about in relation to metro cops is the fact that its like reverse racism...like I said, Im Bi-Racial but I look white, hence I say im white...I always seem to get more shit when i get stopped by a black cop than a white one for some reason...that shit pisses me off.
And ur undercover cops are fuckin sneaky...but their tactics work and im no drug dealer so i dont care to much.
What i mean is
My brother knows an undercover (like real undercover, long hair, piercings, tats, looks like a junkie) that works or did work the Jane & Finch area when it really bad a few years back. Anyway, the guy and his partner were on duty walking the street. They saw a known crack dealer makin a sale and shit. Well, the dealer I guess saw them or whatever and ate all his rocks. The cops went up to him and tried to book him but because he didnt technically have shit on him, they couldnt book him. So the one cop looked at his partner, decked him. The cop got up, looked at his partner, looked at the guy and started laughing. The guy asked why they were laughing and shit and the cop who hit his partner said the guy just assaulted an officer and now they have a right to book him.
So not only did he end up gettin charged with drugs (they made him puke it up) they also got him for assault on a cop....to me, while its border line cuz they knew he was a drug dealer, it still is wrong...and thats the type of shit I'm tlaking about when it comes to corrupt ya know?
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A fucking drug dealer getting what he deserved is a problem nowadays?
It's one thing if they bust innocent people, but someone exploiting peoples dependency?
Drug dealers are shit in my book... they're one million times worse than whores (without disease).
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Yeah, thats why I said that i cant really disagree with that but at the sametime, its shady and they could pull that shit on an innocent person if they wanted to ya know?
And drug dealers being shit...that all depends really...supply and demand right? If I gotta sell coke or crack or tar to someone so i can support my family, have heat and food and all that, then fuck yes I'd do it no questions asked.
Just like the song Hunger Strike by Temple of The Dog (Pearl Jam and Soundgarden)
"I don't mind stealing bread from the mouth's of decadence"
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Most cops are good people, but in any job there is always some bad apples. Like the PIG who gave me a ticket for speeded when i wasnt speeding..LMAO.. I told him i would see him in court, and when the judge threw the ticket out, OMG the look on his face was priceless.
Maybe you were not endangering people by riding on the sidewalk, maybe it was just quota time. (PIGS gotta get paid somehow, Photo radar BS can only bring in so much..LMAO) Or maybe you were riding like a dick,lol. Who knows.
I have respect for some, but not all. We are all human, but some PIGS are just on a power trip (They shouldnt be cops) Others, like some RCMP i have met are some of the best COPS i have ever met, very good reasonalble people.
If i was off-duty, i wouldnt do anything either, its a job, you gotta leave it at the office. If a cop was expected to do something when he is off duity, he would never get time off.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 23:19 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | And drug dealers being shit...that all depends really...supply and demand right? |
I really disagree.
Supply and demand on guns? Ammunition? Poison? Explosives?
Kids who become junkies because some low-life fuckhead doesn't care about teenagers who are junkies, as long as he makes a buck.
How about we supply Iraq with nuclear weapons prior to the Gulf War?
Where would Israel be then?
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This liberal "Supply & Demand" thing works in theory, but in practice: All actions have consequences.
In this case, the consequences are that people who are irresponsible become junkies, children die; because they cared more about getting a fix than putting food on that child's plate.
I fucking hate irresponsibility... it's one thing if you fuck your own life up, but when you fuck others up too?
Damn drug dealers... *GrRRR*
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 23:45 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | A fucking drug dealer getting what he deserved is a problem nowadays? |
couldnt agree more, what a crazy tactic the police used i mean fucking great..... if i was in such a situation i would have done something similar like what the police did.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 23:45 Post subject: |
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But its not like a crack dealer will come up to u, hold a gat to ur head and say buy some crack or else
those who do the drugs choose to
I smoke weed, drop E occasionally, a lil bit of yayo a couple of times a year...I didnt get into that shit because I was pressured or told to ya know?
I wanted to know what it was all about
I wanted to know what smoking Weed was like
I wanted to know what E was like, so I did it
same with yayo and everything else Ive done in my life
I don't by that peer pressure shit man, at all...if ur that weak minded, u shouldnt be allowed outta ur house
And fuck, someone has to sell drugs right?
I know were prolly not going to see eye to eye on this, which is cool, but as far as I know, no drug dealer I have met or heard of, has forced someone to take,pop,inject, buy or whatever any type of drug...u need e's or something, the guy has em, thats it - ur choice as to whether ur buy it or not
And ppl who do drugs recreationally, like say u hit up a rave and drop some E's or something like that, aren't junkies....junkies are those who steal, kill, beat up etc ppl for their drugs, or in some cases, preform sexual favours for drugs....thats not the dealer's fault, thats the individual, for whatever reason that person has chosen to do what they do - addiction is 90 percent mental.
And Im speaking from experience, I used to be addicted to acid in my teenage years. Went to rehab and everything. The guy who i grabbed off of wasn't the problem, it was me. I had shit wrong in my life that I couldnt handle, well atleast handle the right way, so I turned to a substance that would totally take me to another place so i could escape.
Thats why i've said in other posts - doing "drugs" to escape is never good and doesn't solve anyting BUT doing "drugs" to find is different...u experience the different sides of ur personality when ur on different substances and u actually do learn shit about urself. But again, if ur doing whatever to kill some kinda pain or something like that, then i think that person needs help.
I guess I kinda have that hippy mentallity but meh, it's served me well so far 
least i think 
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 23:57 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: |
if ur that weak minded, u shouldnt be allowed outta ur house
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Good solution!, instead of getting rid of the drug dealers, forbid the kids who follow group pressure and do drugs to go out!
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Sure! But I'm glad he gets busted for it, using any means possible.
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KIDS! Listen to me... kids do a lot of shit because of group pressure, because "it's cool", because their friends do it, and if they don't - they're morons and unpopular with the group.
Yes, they're weak willed, but they're still kids. What's their second chance if they go and O.D or fuck themselves up?
It's usually those who are this weak willed that get hooked on it too... I know a couple of friends who tried it a couple of times, and then stopped, finito - period. And then one of my old friends tried it once (five years ago) and still is hooked.
He's all like: "I've got control, I can stop any time I want to" and all those junkie-clichés, but his life is really down the drain.
Drug-dependence change your behavior man... just like alcoholism, or any psychological/chemical dependence. You become an entire other person, who says he's in control, while he really isn't.
Drug dealers may not force you into doing drugs, but your friends might ... and the first pop is free! And if you hear a drug dealer who says: "Hey man, this shit ain't good for ya", I'll call up some painters who can draw a great big cross in the ceiling.
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And Im speaking from experience, I used to be addicted to acid in my teenage years. Went to rehab and everything. The guy who i grabbed off of wasn't the problem, it was me. I had shit wrong in my life that I couldnt handle...
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You must've had really cool friends who told you to stop the downward spiral then?
Or how about, some time before you got hooked, some cop busted the junkies/drug dealers you knew?
Yes, yes I'm back.
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jesus this thread took a bad turn for the worst... i am SADDENED that the cop had to deck his partner JUST to get a bad guy off the street.... for pete sakes the levels we are reduced to just to stay politically correct.
and yes peel region has a rep for having a few bad apples... i don't go near there so i can't say anything on the matter...
and i'm one of those who is greatly affected by peer pressure, if i was forced into drugs i would probably get stuck in em, so i see the police removing the dealers as a good thing as to the opposing arguements of "noone is hold a gun to your head tobuy it" but if the option wasn't even there, alot of weak willed people wouldn't get into the mess of being an addict.
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swedish cops are worse than american cops. if you are white at least.
american cops seem more willing to let things slide, or what to call it, to let you off with a warning.
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Fisk, my friends never ONCE pressured me into doing anything...well, ok thats a lie. There have been times where I havent had the nerve to go talk to some hot girl and my buds will rag on me till I do it.
But as for being pressured into drugs? Nope, not one has ever done anything of the sort. Im not the type that follows friends, family etc...some may, which is fine but weak minded in my view. If anything, Im the one who will walk away from a situation my friends may be gettin into - IE out drinking in our youth, wanting to jump someone for cash (not because we have a problem with them, just for the money)...I'd walk away all the time...senseless crime is retarded...some crime, in my view, is justified. Say someone jumps u...well, if I can, Im gunna get em back...screw calling the cops, jail doesn't do much for those who do that sorta thing...they need a bat taken to their legs to get the point across.
And yes, a couple of my friends did help me get over my addiction to acid - my other friends didnt know me at the time.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2005 23:49 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | jesus this thread took a bad turn for the worst... i am SADDENED that the cop had to deck his partner JUST to get a bad guy off the street.... for pete sakes the levels we are reduced to just to stay politically correct.
and yes peel region has a rep for having a few bad apples... i don't go near there so i can't say anything on the matter...
and i'm one of those who is greatly affected by peer pressure, if i was forced into drugs i would probably get stuck in em, so i see the police removing the dealers as a good thing as to the opposing arguements of "noone is hold a gun to your head tobuy it" but if the option wasn't even there, alot of weak willed people wouldn't get into the mess of being an addict. |
YES! Thank you Max...Im gunna fuckin print out ur post and put it up on the wall. My parents, who still live in Peel, would contest the fact that Peel has some of the most corrupt cops in Canada - thank god someone other than a friend has confirmed this...man
And to get back to the dealer thing...I also think it should be based upon what drug(s) they are pushing. I mean, weed/hash, that in my view, shouldnt be a crime - as anyone who has smoke ganja knows that its not addictive...well, unless u have an addictive personality in the first place, as some do - in which case, anything can be addictive.
But rock, yayo, meth, K, E, G, cid and all the other chemical substances, those who push them, should be arrested by any means - no doubt about it.
Max, I'd like to get ur view on the Legalization of weed in canada
1. Do u think it should just be legalized? Like growing, selling, smoking
2. Do u think you should be allowed to grow and smoke but not deal? (thats what they are pushing for now)
3. Do you think u should just be allowed to smoke and not grow or sell? So the government would be growing and selling it? (I think thats the wrong way to go about it but it may happen - government already has hydro labs for medicinal weed).
I think option 2 is the way to go...if u can grow it, u can smoke it ya know?
Oh and one more question. Is it legal to grow tobacco? I assume its illegal right>
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its not really that.. i'm worried about people driving high more than smoking up... the whole gateway drug thing also comes into mind...
IF the guv can market it and be the ONLY suppliers and make it cheap enough to kill any small time dealers then i guess it couldn't hurt... but i don't think we are ready yet... specially since noone wants to piss off the US more.
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Driving high? lol man, i know nuff ppl that drive and smoke j's...they have never been in an accident..alcohol, I agree with, no drinking and driving...but ganja? naw, makes u safer if anything - too paro to speed cuz u think u'll get booked by cops and the like lol
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nope i have seen accidents caused by it and a few years ago i smoked up and drove and it did slow my reaction time big time.
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Well, I guess each individual is different but i have yet to hear or be in an accident in which ganja was the cause
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yeah actually quite a lot of my friends ( all 18 ) smoke weed and still drive none has been in an accident to date.
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| The Rat wrote: | | Quote: | | It's an interesting fact that all of the cops in the van were black, and that there was a small gang of 5 or so black kids (black neighborhood) doing the same thing about a block away. |
Ah so what your real problem was how dare black cops give you a ticket being a white upstanding American? |
I think his problem was that he feels discriminated against. I guess you think only minorities can be the victims of racism? Accelleron admits he was in the wrong, but the laws should not be applied based solely on race.
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