Towards a steady end for piracy
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evribadi
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 12:30    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
i am in a bit of a dilemma here.

Where i live, its legal to share movies, music, games etc.

can i still be part of this discussion ? Even tho i don't do anything illegal, so to speak ? Smile


Only downloading!
http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111202/

Just like in my country and some others. But majority of Western societes do not accept it.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 12:31    Post subject:
Is it that time again? Do we have to justify downloading free shit? I download because I can.

As for the OP, piracy will never be obselete, even when games become 20 bucks. There are still a lot of games out there which are worth the try, but definitely not worth the money.
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evribadi
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 12:34    Post subject:
And that's the very first thing i mentioned in my first post. The attitude has to change, people shouldn't take pirating as granted. It's against the working Capitalism system.
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 13:01    Post subject:
evribadi wrote:
It's against the working Capitalism system.


So are bad advertising, overpricing and decline in quality. Yet, since they mainly fuck the consumer over, they don't get such a bad press.

In summary:

When a producer gets fucked over it's piracy, a felony and a sin! Burn in hell, heathens!

When a consumer gets fucked over it's Capitalism, a working system! Deal with it!

Rolling Eyes

Anyways, I've had enough. I don't feel like repeating same stuff over and over again for the next 10 pages. Have fun with the preaching.
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 13:01    Post subject:
Brick wall etcetera, fuck this Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 13:09    Post subject:
evribadi wrote:
So, basically, you call moron a person who buys movies? And the cool guy is the one who is leeching his .mkv 720/1080p material? Interesting. Street thieves and junkies would approve your comment.

As your first sentence i don't get it at all. Why would i drive a Ferrari? Are you suggesting only rich people use HD tv sets? Have you even looked how cheap 50 inch panels are these days?
Yep, he's a moron. And that's really nice of you, thinking that I'm cool or that I think I'm cool. Very Happy
As for the first sentence, you either don't get it or you "don't get it", no problem if it's the first Wink

evribadi wrote:
And that's the very first thing i mentioned in my first post. The attitude has to change, people shouldn't take pirating as granted. It's against the working Capitalism system.
Oh boy... Laughing
And that right there just pretty much crashed and burned any chance (as slim as it was) that you ever had of "turning" anyone in these forums.


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 13:15    Post subject:
Aquma wrote:
evribadi wrote:
It's against the working Capitalism system.


So are bad advertising, overpricing and decline in quality. Yet, since they mainly fuck the consumer over, they don't get such a bad press.

In summary:

When a producer gets fucked over it's piracy, a felony and a sin! Burn in hell, heathens!

When a consumer gets fucked over it's Capitalism, a working system! Deal with it!

Rolling Eyes

Anyways, I've had enough. I don't feel like repeating same stuff over and over again for the next 10 pages. Have fun with the preaching.



This post says it all, the OP should read this before posting any kind of replies. Case closed, move along...


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evribadi
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 13:17    Post subject:
Enterprise policy/zone must always be numero uno. Enterprises should have low taxes and minimal regulation by the state as opposed to inidivuals. Mild enterprise environment starts the economical circulation. They give jobs to people. Businessmen should always be exempt from specific rules and obligations as opposed to normal citizens.

My little country is in a good shape in EU as our national debt is just 6% of GDP. We were hit by the economic crisis the most, but thanks to our Government's harsh cutbacks we finally came out of it. Affluent societies like Spain and Greece are in shitty conditions because the people there won't adapt to cutbacks which are necessary for the economy as a whole to come out of the dump. Our people got the message.

And also the enterprise environment freedom is quite high in my country, that's also one of the reason we got many outside investments.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/05/what-the-eurozone-can-learn-from-estonia/
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 13:29    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 15:37    Post subject:
evribadi wrote:
And that's the very first thing i mentioned in my first post. The attitude has to change, people shouldn't take pirating as granted. It's against the working Capitalism system.


It should change, but we wont..end of discussion
kick on the floor all you want, you wont get that cookie.


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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 16:10    Post subject:
evribadi wrote:
Mild enterprise environment starts the economical circulation. They give jobs to people. Businessmen should always be exempt from specific rules and obligations as opposed to normal citizens.


No not Kotick, from that part, I think hes Mitt Romney..


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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 17:47    Post subject:
I think he's a broken record myself.


Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 13:41    Post subject:
Yondaime wrote:
Corporate fucktards release games but no demo and they wonder why people pirate... I couldn't care any fucking less what anyone else says, piracy is a must for me because I refuse to give money to developers and (mostly) publishers who either royally fuck their fans in the ass with DLC-madness (pre-order shit), crappy DRM, shitty optimization, subpar PC specific standards (shitty FOV for instance). I just refuse to do it anymore. I have a few such titles under my belt and I wish I could take them back but I can't. There's no way I'll make these mistakes again though.

Piracy is a must in this day and age where you can never be sure how a game will be released. And I buy every game that I think deserves buying after having tried it.


+1
This!

I don't know the average age of people on this forum, but how many of you have known:
- The era of the Twilight cd's
- The release of Quake (nr1), UT,... + the free mappacks/new weapons released for FREE by the developers
- Being able to setup your own dedi server (not hiring one) and play WHEN you want, not being dependant on EXTRA services that are down for some time (e.g. Origin)
- Create your own skins,maps,mods
- Mapping contests (UT)

Everytime when EA (as an example, but a good one) releases news about payable DLC's, Origin,... most of the comments are like "F*ck EA, Are they stupid?, Nobody will pay for this....". Complains, complains....

Guess what? EA is not stupid, people are actually paying for this stuff. See what happens in the BF3 thread: People are even searching for Indian proxies to buy this DLC (at a lower price, but you got the point). EA creates a NEED for the DLC because they and you know that most the BF3 servers will run the new maps, without it you will be able to play on the almost empty vanilla servers.
Same issue with Origin and related services: "Oh I cannot play because it's down" What?! I bought the game, I want to play now, not 2 hours later but NOW!
I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm just upset how easily they are able to squeeze money out of the pockets of the majority of the people.

Am I still buying games? Yes, the ArmA series for example. Tons of free add-ons, frequent good updates, mods (Dayz anyone?), create your OWN server/skin/ vehicle/islands.

The golden era of gaming died years ago around 2004-2006.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 14:10    Post subject:
Vulture wrote:

I don't know the average age of people on this forum, but how many of you have known:
- The era of the Twilight cd's check
- The release of Quake (nr1), UT,... + the free mappacks/new weapons released for FREE by the developers check
- Being able to setup your own dedi server (not hiring one) and play WHEN you want, not being dependant on EXTRA services that are down for some time (e.g. Origin) check
- Create your own skins,maps,mods check
- Mapping contests (UT) check

And I'm only 26. Granted, I was quite literally raised around computers (earliest memory I have is of my dad pulling out 2 of my baby teeth with my mum playing Police Quest and me focusing on that Laughing) and I actually actively used DOS (even after Win95 came out since a lot of games wouldn't run), but still Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 14:34    Post subject:
The only good thing my Jehovah's Witness fuckhole father ever did for me was sit me down and teach me DOS commands \o/
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 14:35    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Vulture wrote:

I don't know the average age of people on this forum, but how many of you have known:
- The era of the Twilight cd's check
- The release of Quake (nr1), UT,... + the free mappacks/new weapons released for FREE by the developers check
- Being able to setup your own dedi server (not hiring one) and play WHEN you want, not being dependant on EXTRA services that are down for some time (e.g. Origin) check
- Create your own skins,maps,mods check
- Mapping contests (UT) check

And I'm only 26. Granted, I was quite literally raised around computers (earliest memory I have is of my dad pulling out 2 of my baby teeth with my mum playing Police Quest and me focusing on that Laughing) and I actually actively used DOS (even after Win95 came out since a lot of games wouldn't run), but still Smile


Hehe, same here. My dad gave me his his C64 and Amiga500 (both are still intact) to play with them and teached me how to load them games up when I was friggin 5 years old Laughing
I didn't really understand what exactly I was typing there until I was around 11-12ish.
Oh boy, and I had boxes full of pirated games.. tons of floppy discs.. and I played them all or at least tried them out. I also had consoles obviously. NES,(Gameboy), SNES... my last consoles were PSX and N64. Totally lost interest in them entirely (still kept them nonetheless) after those two.

Funfact: I was never alone. I had people over every friggin day actually and we played them games. And no, I wasn't some rich fuck's kid. It's just because my Dad was a real textbook Nerd/Geek and he made alot of compromises for his hobby. In the end I profited the most from it. Laughing

Ah, good times. Sad

sabin1981 wrote:
The only good thing my Jehovah's Witness fuckhole father ever did for me was sit me down and teach me DOS commands \o/


I haven't spoken with mine for about 10 years now. Since their divorce actually. Sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 14:38    Post subject:
I think most of us "PC Elitists" (Rolling Eyes) are the same. We all grew up on the same sort of stuff, remembering the classic era of keyboard inputs and single "fire" button joysticks. We remember the glory days of phoning into BBS to get the hottest shareware and demo software, sending off the little paper card to register the game and get the full version (though I played the "shareware" version of OMF2097 for over a year before getting the full Very Happy) and generally really getting into the hardware and software.

That magic died long ago for me.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 14:51    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
I think most of us "PC Elitists" (Rolling Eyes) are the same. We all grew up on the same sort of stuff, remembering the classic era of keyboard inputs and single "fire" button joysticks. We remember the glory days of phoning into BBS to get the hottest shareware and demo software, sending off the little paper card to register the game and get the full version (though I played the "shareware" version of OMF2097 for over a year before getting the full Very Happy) and generally really getting into the hardware and software.

That magic died long ago for me.


Thing is, I've never learned most of the stuff like you guys did. I can't code or anything. C++/Basic and all that stuff is Chinese for me. All I've learned was how to maintain my system and get my software running. If there actually was something else I'm interested in, I've teached it myself with books or learned it from people I knew. Infact it was all about gaming for me and still is today. Sure, I had my shares of interest in 3D modelling, video editing, a little of HTML coding back then, photoshopping, server administration and such. But this stuff was always secondary for me. And even though I don't have any big degrees, didn't study or anything, I'm working for an company for 4 years now. Building PCs and shoving software on it. It got boring and tedious pretty fast and the payment isn't that special. But I'm pretty happy about how everything turned out. Razz

Sadly, the only side benefits from my job are loads of Thermalpaste and always an OEM activated Windows version for free Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 15:00    Post subject:
I can't code for shit! I used to dabble in QBasic or C64Basic, entering progs that were posted in the latest Zzap! or C64 Power, but egh.. I'm not a coder. I was always more interested in the construction and maintenance side of things, but man oh man did I love DOS! I'd love your job, I really would... other than when I used to run a game store, your job is pretty much all I ever wanted.

Sadly there are so few PC stores in my old hometown and none in my current one, there's pretty much nothing Sad
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 15:13    Post subject:
I was first tainted with the C64 my cousin bought, that was my first ever experience with anything related to computers. When he put the cassette in I was like Mind Is Full Of Fuck to my very young mind cassette was music. I tried casettes from my father, none worked (I later realized it wouldn't work anyway since I only put the cassette in). Good times.

My best ever system was the NES though, so many memories. I'm grateful to my parents since a game did cost 100 fucking Dutch florins back then (equates to 100 euros now really), that was a huge amount for a game.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 15:17    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
I'm grateful to my parents since a game did cost 100 fucking Dutch florins back then (equates to 100 euros now really), that was a huge amount for a game.


Yep, about 100 Deutsche Mark for a game here too. Oh, and I remember the outrageous pricing of C&C Tiberian Sun back then. 120 Deutsche Mark. That's about 60€ nowadays... and this is standard in most cases now...


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 15:30    Post subject:
Oh no, for us they flipped the sign from Florin to Euro on almost everything..usually even adding a few. AAA games used to be 50 Florins, 60 for some special edition; 1 EUR = 2.20371 FL so we pay more than twice as much now for less than half the content. And they wonder why the fuck I want a fucking demo before I buy Rolling Eyes

Everything also ran perfectly, even though it was actually more effort to set it up. I don't know how many times I've entered "setup" just so I could select VGA (or later even SVGA So Much Win) and the proper sound card. The only case where I actually encountered an issue was Toonstruck, because of the high quality (Laughing) videos that game had.

And yeah Mister_s, same here. Thinking about it, that may actually be my earliest memory, because my little brother and I got our NES for Sinterklaas, with the golden Zelda cartridge - was so happy with it So Much Win
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 15:57    Post subject:
The witcher
PC exclusive
Great effort put in it, Great product
Sold incredibly well despite piracy


Nuff said.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 16:25    Post subject:
when i was 11 , i got my hands on 3 "non-working" amiga 2000's (having a 500 at the time, noisy son of a bitch if there ever was one).

Anyway, used parts of those 3 to "build" me 1 that worked, by trial and error changing around chips (amiga had those female named chips , for audio, video, etc etc (chips inside weren't welded, but simply stuck into the mobo).

Got it working in no time lol. Then i started to write little basic codes, some graphical stuff (geomeotric moving figures and stuff) and some text based apps (really basic lol, with the big basics book next to me, basicly searching for every single command line by line ^^)


ah, fun times. (not to mention to having hundreds upon hundreds of pirated games on floppy, with 10 times that many viruses and crap haha.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 16:35    Post subject:
Dude, that's awesome!

Alice, Agnus, Portia, Daphne, Lisa, Paula Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy There was another one, Kiko or something.


~edit~

Akiko!
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 16:41    Post subject:
yeah, those were the times ^^

little by little adding stuff, ending up with 2 internal, 3 external floppy drives and even a 20mb hard drive (again recovered from someone lol).


Amiga was the bomb

Also remember later on doing some music on them, they sure were ahead of time compared to PC's back then lol.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 16:51    Post subject:
Aye, absolutely amazing machines - fantastic for gaming *and* design. I still have my A1200 with a 20MB HDD Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 19:34    Post subject:
ITT: People completely bullshitting why they pirate... I lol'd, thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2012 20:47    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
ITT: People completely bullshitting why they pirate... I lol'd, thanks!


Huh? People pirate because it's easy and it's free, the reasons for turning TO piracy might differ but in the end it all comes down to the same thing; free, easy, low risk and it saves a metric shit-ton of money that might have otherwise been wasted.
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