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This thread sucks a big floppy donkey dick and is TOTALLY the wrong place to be posting this bullshit...
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 21:50 Post subject: |
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Why is this thread bad? It's a general discussion with no intentional trolling in mind.
Also, the title is in accordance to late statistics (yes, stats again) that say piracy rates are globally declining.
and fisk, you know very well trailers don't give you the slightest impression of the actual movie. It's just better bits mounted together. You possibly can't get the imagination of a new premiered movie. You either have to buy a ticket and go watch it, or wait for the release later (i'm making this connection as watching a movie in cinema is considered different approach than renting/buying it on dvd/bluray).
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:01 Post subject: |
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| evribadi wrote: | | you know very well trailers don't give you the slightest impression of the actual movie. It's just better bits mounted together. You possibly can't get the imagination of a new premiered movie. |
When it comes to bad movies, trailers usually tell the whole movie (I even made a thread about this a year back or so). In many cases I've dodged a lot of bad movies thanks to trailers. In other cases a trailer gave me enough interest to watch the movie, sometimes it led to a good experience, other times it didn't. I wouldn't completely call trailers useless, but it is a bit hit and miss, I agree.
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You either have to buy a ticket and go watch it, or wait for the release later (i'm making this connection as watching a movie in cinema is considered different approach than renting/buying it on dvd/bluray). |
Well, movies to me are a dying industry. Today it's more about TV-series. They are better to me because they focus more on character development (because they can) which on top of story and dramaturgy are what makes interesting movies/series. This is the future I think. We see such excellent TV-series productions these days that top the best movies in terms of quality, that movies seem more and more like remnants of an old concept. With some exceptions of course.
So movies are a bad example (at least from my subjective perspective). TV-series again are more to the customers preference as well. First of all you don't have to pay for an episode, you pay a monthly cost for a channel and can pick and choose, record and discard what you like or do not like. It puts the power in the hands of the end user which is exactly what modern business is about. Ample selection, monthly payment (see MMO-subscriptions, steam, Spotify, etc.) and a long term quality business model.
There are already services where you can download games for free if you watch commercials in the load screens, this is more aimed toward consumers, and less toward what archaic (old) models specifies.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:02 Post subject: |
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@evribadi: this discussion is bad, because it is just an iteration of the discussions we have had every year several times with newbies in several threads, so people tend to get somewhat annoyed.
www.psygamer.net :::: 
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:05 Post subject: |
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hahahahahaha, i think you re onto something there sabin! Might be cnZ xD
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:05 Post subject: |
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deelix
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:06 Post subject: |
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yeah, nothing constructive in this thread... piracy is what it is.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:11 Post subject: |
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It would be a pretty fucking hilarious coincidence for a new member to sign up here and, shock!, happen to have the same IP as an earlier banned member. So if that's your defence.... trololololol©
.... but no, I can't see your IP. Call it intuition.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:18 Post subject: |
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I'm not poor and I pirate,
and as a service to other pirates to bring the ratio up, and you bringing yourself to the limelight as not pirating, Tonight I am going to pirate a few games, and pass them out to my non-pirate friends, to make up for your lack of it..got to keep the ratio up.
Any other people you know against as much as you? I got quite a few friends I can 'cover the difference' with if you want to point them out also.
Make all the statistics you want, until the time that piracy actually ends, you can song and dance about it ending all you wish, it will go on like it always has.
I don't even see the point of the argument..hes going "Piracy is ending!" just pat him on the head and go "yes, yes it is" and let him go on his merry delusional way.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:21 Post subject: |
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I wasnt gonna post here but i just couldnt hold back. Piracy is good, its the only means of protest we have against the biggest game companies that dish out soulless crap at huge prices.
Also its hilarious to think that if piracy is eliminated more people would then automatically buy the product.
My opinion on piracy is if the product is good, itll sell itself. The power wielded by some companies with their stupid drm is frightning, its like saying we permit you to buy our product but you dont own it. We let you play it at full price, and youll love it.
Dont mess with God, he can impregnate your girlfriend/wife without taking his pants off!
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:27 Post subject: |
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Where did i mention if piracy ends all the people would suddenly buy products? No, people pirate because they're mostly bored. Pirates leech everything they can get, to "test" new releases. They don't even care nor do a proper research before trying it.
I think that the end of piracy would smarten up people. They'd be more than motivated to do a research before buying something (you'd have to pay, right?). And the ulterior outcome of this would be more balanced and adequate market situation in gaming... or any other media type.
I'm just saying piracy by itself is wrong and too many people take it for granted. It's copyright infringement and Western society doesn't accept it.
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:30 Post subject: |
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Who cares if Western Society doesn't accept it?
Why I must follow masses? I live my way and there is nothing you can do about it.
And I will decide what is right or wrong for me & myself
But I won't bite anymore of this trolling
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:33 Post subject: |
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Of course not.
But, again, many times mentioned here before, according to your logic you're an anarchist. Why must follow masses, while you can make your own rules, not following any guidelines (laws) or framework (paradigmatic norms of the society).
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:35 Post subject: |
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| evribadi wrote: | Of course not.
But, again, many times mentioned here before, according to your logic you're an anarchist. Why must follow masses, while you can make your own rules, not following any guidelines (laws) or framework (paradigmatic norms of the society). |
But I at least pay and support idea of taxes  |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:37 Post subject: |
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| evribadi wrote: | Where did i mention if piracy ends all the people would suddenly buy products? No, people pirate because they're mostly bored. Pirates leech everything they can get, to "test" new releases. They don't even care nor do a proper research before trying it.
I think that the end of piracy would smarten up people. They'd be more than motivated to do a research before buying something (you'd have to pay, right?). And the ulterior outcome of this would be more balanced and adequate market situation in gaming... or any other media type.
I'm just saying piracy by itself is wrong and too many people take it for granted. It's copyright infringement and Western society doesn't accept it. |
I'm glad you assume why we pirate...how do you know its 'because I'm bored' any statistics for that? or you making assumptions based of your biased view?
and I think the opposite, more piracy would smarten people up.
Allow people to pirate games for 6 months, and they would have a wider/broader range of what to consider a 'good' game. And stop buying crap because its good compared to the narrow range of experience they have had with games.
For example, dave my friend thought a few totally horrible games are "good games' because he buys few games on his budget, and buys what 'looks good'. so to him these ARE good games (at least the best hes ever played). so he bar for excellence in a game is pretty low.
I gave him a few games I had going "no no man, those are HORRIBLE games, they got good reviews on 'gaming sites' but all games do usually. that means nothing.."
Now he realizes after getting half a dozen of the 'good games' from me, that he has a higher bar to reach for whats a good game.
So to say that buying games makes people smarter, no it doesn't, either makes them naive to the wide range of games out there, limiting them to carefully chosen games like the experience they know..as they don't want to waste money, or it just enrages them, as they spent money on a game that WAS crap knowing the difference.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:37 Post subject: |
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Its dangerous to obey all of societies laws without reflection and common sense. Just look at the US.
Dont mess with God, he can impregnate your girlfriend/wife without taking his pants off!
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:40 Post subject: |
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First off: Dude, you're preaching anti-piracy on a pirate forum. Get real.
Secondly: dunno how long you lurk here (in whatever incarnation, considering sabin's find), but it's definitely not enough - or you're just blind and refuse to see any argument that doesn't fit in your picture. Read through most threads for highly anticipated titles and you'll find countless, COUNTLESS posts from people who either paid for the game they like, or intend to. Guess what? In many cases, if you take into account only long-standing members - excluding guys with single digit post count and stupid "whresis the releise?!1" posts - people who buy are waaaay more numerous here than those who just pirate and care about nothing else.
What does that mean? It means that your basic argument is a failed one. Pirates - ESSPECIALLY those you're trying to preach to - buy games. In fact, they often spend fortunes buying games. They just refuse to buy shit blindly (excluding developers they respect/franchises they like), without trying it first. They also refuse to invest in a sub-par quality product while being treated like a second-class consumers - something that happens very often with major multiplatform releases.
Want proof? Find and count pirates (meaning: people who didn't buy the game, not those who downloaded it) in DX:HR or Witcher 2 threads. Good luck with that.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:41 Post subject: |
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And you know you cant win here..why try?
you doing this is like going to a Marlboro convention telling everyone why its bad to smoke.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:44 Post subject: |
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Why of course everyone breaks the law, in some way or other. Even without wittingly. Just like me, almost daily with my car for example.
But piracy is actually a big issue. People willingly and largely participate in illegal activity with products mostly valued more than 40-50 bucks. True, you can debate and contest this statement, but thanks to it the legal consumption (buying) of virtual goods is smaller, thus the state gets less sales tax, thus the economy gets touched.
Aquma,
this site used to be a big active warez forum until the big server meltdown that destroyed everything, now it's a small portal with old-time members only.
I can, from the posts of his, name human_steel as one older member who always asks for a release for some new game. I haven't seen him yet claiming to have bought anything.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:53 Post subject: |
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And your point is?
we all agree piracy exists, we all agree its downloading payable things for free..
whats your point? that's its bad?
ok, got that, check, and discard it under the "I don't care" folder...
any other points to make that would be worth reading? or was that the only one.
again you coming here, telling pirates that 'pirating is illegal and bad'
is like the annoying fuck that walk up to me while having a smoke and telling me "you know those are bad for you right?"
as much as I hate using meme faces, this one perfectly sums up both situation for me
So yep, piracy, is bad, yep its illegal, yep I'm going to continue to do it..
mission accomplished for you? as nothing has changed..
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:59 Post subject: |
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I'm just saying, we're advanced to 2012 thanks to evolutionary effort. But there's always this outer segment of who don't contribute and leech others off.
By smoking you buy the cigarette pack, thus contributing to society. First of all, you pay the manufacturer (which in turn pay taxes to the state), and second you pay excise tax to the state (basically the state gets triple tax with this). As smoking is mostly bad for your health (i also smoke), much of this excise tax goes to health service to prevent your use of health insurance due to smoke consequences...
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:00 Post subject: |
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what really always bothered me, is that its called "piracy" lol.
I mean wtf.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:05 Post subject: |
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Ok lets do this..
I concede, your right, I'm wrong..I'm totally in err for doing what I do and you have every right to call me out on it.
what I think your missing, is your arrogance and egotism to think you are point out something that we dont know, as its fully evident that you AND us know everything your saying already.
seriously, its JUST like going to a smoker and saying "those will kill you!" in that arrogant " you didn't know this??" attitude. they already know that, its not information or logic that isn't available and known to them..its that they disregard it.
So you go buy your games in good conscience, and I will continue to not pay for the ones to see if they are even worth the download time, and fully admit that I'm aware of what I'm doing.
Unless you can bring some new information to the table beyond 'common fucking sense' of "but its WRONG!" why even debate it? do you really think we don't already know what we are doing??
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:14 Post subject: |
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This is my current Steam library:
and guess what, I still call myself a pirate. In times when even with reviews you can't be sure if the game is good or bad, you either have to get hands-on with the game yourself, or see playthroughs of it on YT and then decide if you want it or not. Most demos don't appear on the PC, and even if they do, they are not representative of the final product.
Yeah, I buy a lot of games, hell, I preorder a lot of games, but only when I am 100% sure that the game's quality will be excellent.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:15 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock,
Again, you used this out of context smoke example.
Okay, let me clear this once again: by smoking a cigar, you mostly only thrash your own organism. But you've paid the taxes on it. It's legal.
With pirating you contribute nothing. You just leech. You work against the working Capitalism system.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:21 Post subject: |
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and its in perfect context, Im not debating the social or economical points of smoking...I was pointing out your telling someone something is bad, that they ALREADY know it is. that was my point,
Iif you can debunk how telling a smoker its bad for you, is different than telling a pirate its bad for you...please do. I could give 2 fucks and a rats asshole about the economical standpoint of it.
I was comparing the idiocy of point out the obvious expecting a Revelation.
OK let me REPUT it in a context you understand:
We know what we are doing, we know all the nuances of what it implies, we don't care..
can it get anymore clear than that?
you keep pointing out the same things, as if its suppose to be a revelation to us...tip: we already know these things..your not giving anything new to the situation.
I mean if you can show "piracy leads to brain cancer in your wife" THAT would be new information that none of us knew, new data to consider into the logic of piracy....
but so far you keep pointing out things we all knew since we was teenagers. and act is if we are suppose to go "OH SHIT! I never realized that".
I truly hope you aren't vain and arrogant enough on your pedestal to think we are dim enough not to know these things.
Or is it a matter of "your moral compass doesn't point in the same direction as mine, and I must correct that?"
if so, you are fighting an uphill battle, no one likes their compass changed. especially by force of others by sticking their nose into business that isn't theirs.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:27 Post subject: |
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Actually, there was a quiz about the awareness of piracy in UK or some other bigger European state and many people answered they didn't know they were commiting copyright infringement. Others just said they don't fear a danger while downlaoading/uploading illegal material.
You very well confirmed why harsh Diablo 3 styled copy protection measures are needed.
People know they're commiting an offence, they continue to do so, they don't fear nothing. So the only logical way to compel people paying taxes to the state is harsh protection on virtual goods.
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