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kumkss




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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 07:13    Post subject: kumkss's new gaming computer. pls, advice!!
yay guys. long time that i don't make a serious game investment and now, that time has come.

i currently own a i5 @ 2,80 Ghz, 6 gb hyperx ram, a gtx460 1gb.- on a asus maximus iii gene mobo.

looking at current intel prices, freaked me out. damn expensive and besides, expensive mobos as well.

so, i stared at amd and get hyped with their prices, now, my first question: as i will use the system only for playing games, would be ok to switch to amd?

i have following configuration in mind:
1.- Mobo: Asus M/B AMD Crosshair V Formula/Thunderbolt
2.- CPU: AMD CPU FX-4100 X4 3,6 GHz 4 cores, OR: AMD CPU FX-8120 X8 3,1 GHz 8 cores.

does one really need an 8 core CPU for gaming? (keeping future games in mind).

either cpu's with the mobo, does a 1/3 of the price (and less) in comparisson of a i7 CPU and a good mobo.

i plan to put in the amd system a gtx680 (zotac o evga, both are equally in price). gonna change ram too, maybe 8 or 16, price is nearly marginal.

like i say, as i will use this only for gaming, i have the doubt about how amd is performing in it.

pls guys! some feedback!! Very Happy

p.d. maybe the solution is only changing the video card and some more ram,,, Confused that would be the cheapest way!! me liking that way!!! (as the motherboard, is old and really small and can't do overclocking without random reboots, that pissed me off,
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 07:56    Post subject:
The clock speed currently matters more than those four extra cores though on occasion there's some games that scale above but usually it's not very noticeable, unsure what the price difference is but that's my opinion though AMD CPU's are pretty cheap in general from what I know. Smile
(Both can probably be overclocked as well.)

I'm not that good with hardware (Trying to learn though.) but yeah hardware can be expensive but compared to my previous machine (early DDR3 and quad core adapter.) prices have reached much better levels, RAM especially.
(HDD pricing is also going down as SSD's improve and the older so called mechanical discs get outpaced or what it's called.)

The 680 is a nice GPU, would probably work with a 670 as well should the pricing be more attractive but you don't want to skimp too much as it'll affect performance and introduce more bottlenecking though either of them are probably fine for current titles. Smile
(Stock models are improved as well but third party ones might be more silent and slightly better cooled though a bit more expensive normally.)

Just some opinions, again I'm far from a expert (Trying to learn more but I'm taking it slow.) come to think of it 8 GB RAM is probably going to do OK, might be a good idea to try and match the channel configuration the motherboard offers also, might mean 4x 2GB high speed RAM modules maybe to reach 8 GB or perhaps 4x 4GB ones but above 4GB it's probably better to go for speed than capacity. Smile
(I'm not quite sure what current DDR3 is at, seems they're still trying to reach higher clock speeds instead of timing though above 1600 it's mostly about small improvements and primarily benchmarking compared to tighter timings from what I know, I could be wrong.)
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 08:13    Post subject:
Keep the i5, get two 4GB sticks of RAM to replace the ones you have, and buy a better GPU. That is IMO the best solution.

A GTX670 if you can afford it.

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difm




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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 08:33    Post subject:
What SiN said.
Put 2gigs more RAM in and get a GTX 670 or something similar.

Intel is currently much better for performance compared to AMD.

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Paintface




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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 15:36    Post subject:
overclock that i5 to 3.8ghz or so, should be possible. and buy a 7870.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 15:46    Post subject:
_SiN_ wrote:
Keep the i5, get two 4GB sticks of RAM to replace the ones you have, and buy a better GPU. That is IMO the best solution.

A GTX670 if you can afford it.



This.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 15:47    Post subject:
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 16:07    Post subject:
_SiN_ wrote:
Keep the i5, get two 4GB sticks of RAM to replace the ones you have, and buy a better GPU. That is IMO the best solution.

A GTX670 if you can afford it.


Agreed. I'm actually more than a little shocked you would even consider changing the i5 to .. well... ANY equivalent from AMD. It's just not cost effective and you'd even end up losing performance since the SB/IB chips are clock-for-clock faster than AMD at the moment.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 16:15    Post subject:
My guess is that his i5 is a Lynnfield Smile

But even so, a 670 and a OC'd i5 750 should run BF3 at Ultra/1920, so no need to replace it just yet.

Edit: He says 2.8Ghz, so most likely a i5 760.

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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 18:27    Post subject:
im glad i posted those questions. Smile i will keep my i5 and do a ram and gpu upgrade; also i will go for a SSD.

no gtx 670 avaiable in my country atm. gonna wait. it should be the same as the gtx680, according from what i've read.
the gtx690 is avaiable at US$ 1.500 Razz fucking insane.

im just astonished about how many posibilities for upgrades are avaiable at the market right now, regarding cpu's (mainly from intel) and motherboards for those intel.

thank u all guys!! Smile
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difm




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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 21:15    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:

Agreed. I'm actually more than a little shocked you would even consider changing the i5 to .. well... ANY equivalent from AMD.


IS there a true equivalent from AMD? Razz

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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 21:22    Post subject:
Not this generation, not as far as I know. Even their new FX relaunch aren't as good.
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difm




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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 21:59    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Not this generation, not as far as I know. Even their new FX relaunch aren't as good.


They relaunched? Very Happy
Too bad they're still rather ... ahemm... pathetic.

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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2012 22:06    Post subject:
I don't think it's a real "relaunch" -- I just can't help but be reminded of the older FX series; the FX57/60 etc, when I look at the new AMD FX quads Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Jun 2012 04:19    Post subject:
gtx670 from evga (plain edition) arrived at my local store. quite nice price. 130 US less than the gtx680 Very Happy

btw, loorking google, it appears that pcie 2.0 and pcie 3.0 have no palpable difference, and the results are the same. http://www.overclock.net/t/1188376/hardwarecanucks-hd-7970-pci-e-3-0-vs-pci-e-2-0-comparison

should be the drivers atm, that are stoping a mayor performance?

EDIT: the hardware world is really fascinating Smile have learn a lot from the very little i knew
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kumkss




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Jun 2012 02:06    Post subject:
allright! on the gtx670 and 12 gb ram. works like a new computer. Very Happy
i also buyed the level 10 thermaltake case. loved it. will arrive in 12 more days Sad
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Paintface




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Jun 2012 02:10    Post subject:
OC that cpu! lots of ppl here to help you with that.
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kumkss




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Jun 2012 04:53    Post subject:
Paintface wrote:
OC that cpu! lots of ppl here to help you with that.


working on it... Smile

so, my i5 is the Lynnfield, at 2.8 Ghz, default.

what would be the highest but safest overclock for it? theoreticaly speaking.

got a nice air cooling system and the cpu is working at 31ยบ C on its default.

gonna try some configurations and ask further if i got questions Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Jun 2012 05:30    Post subject:
kumkss what cooler are you using exactly on the cpu? Very Happy

(i"m on a NH-D14 atm (sadly with busted heatpipe that's 9 m old grmbl)

And 3.8 should be doable on that if you got good aircooling or higher depending on case / airflow and sometimes luck of the draw aka which voltage do you need to run stable

Which can differentiate big times on those there's peeps running 5ghz on oc.net with over 1.4v while others get only 4.8 with nearly 1.5v or the really lucky ones get away with 5ghz on 1.35-1.38 for I7's
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Jun 2012 05:48    Post subject:
Cyb3r wrote:
kumkss what cooler are you using exactly on the cpu? Very Happy

(i"m on a NH-D14 atm (sadly with busted heatpipe that's 9 m old grmbl)

And 3.8 should be doable on that if you got good aircooling or higher depending on case / airflow and sometimes luck of the draw aka which voltage do you need to run stable

Which can differentiate big times on those there's peeps running 5ghz on oc.net with over 1.4v while others get only 4.8 with nearly 1.5v or the really lucky ones get away with 5ghz on 1.35-1.38 for I7's


got this one atm, should do the job:



got the thermaltake frio in a box, but it doesn't fit in my cosmos s case Sad
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Jun 2012 05:50    Post subject:
btw, this are my actual stats with the oc:

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