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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 02:00    Post subject: pc not booting after "cleaning"
Hi guys.
As always I was dusting off my pc as I do it every 2 or 3 months.
I basicly disconnect everything. Take out gpu, ram. Disconnect hdd and take off a cpu cooler, but leave the cpu in the mobo.

After nice and smooth cleaning with my ultimate brush (i love cleaning my pc) and assembly, it doesn't work. Yep what a suprise Laughing its not funny Mad

When I press the power on, it does nothing for some time, then gives me beep code(only once, no repeat). The code is LONG SHORT SHORT SHORT, which I think means bad gpu.

It is late night, so i tried with one ram in different slots and I took gpu out and in. Everything connected and still the same problem.

Funny thing is that sometimes, the code goes of instantly and sometimes after almost a minute. But only once.

I will fiddle with it tomorrow once i get back from studies... Any ideas are appreciated.
Ofc I was as always touching the metal heatpipe on the walland case to remove any esd risk... Besides I don't have carpet but wooden panels so risk is a bit smaller anyway... Fuck my luck. Hope I won't be left with my netbook and android phone from which I am writing this Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 02:24    Post subject:
Deja vu
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75786

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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 02:28    Post subject:
This guide covers pretty much everything http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/261145-13-read-posting-boot-problems

What is the make and model of your motherboard?


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 07:48    Post subject:
Asus p5n-e sli

Btw. All the fans spins like crazy with 100/ strenght. Just like they always do before booting past bios. But screen is black and beeps are there.

I will do the stuff from above in a couple of hours once I an back.


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 08:56    Post subject:
you clean computer with a brush? that doesn't sound very good for computer, especially if brush is "hard" it could damage or bend some components on the mobo and such. you need to get compressed air duster. that's the best way to clean computer and you can get like 99% cleanliness without taking apart all the components.

unplugging all components every cleaning also doesn't sound good, you put more wear and tear on connectors by doing so, i wouldn't be surprised if some of connectors doesn't have any gold coating on them anymore from all that disconnecting.
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 09:44    Post subject:
Ultimate brush? Does it involve static electricity?

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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 10:11    Post subject:
Maybe now it does. It didnt for the last 10 years Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 10:13    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Ultimate brush? Does it involve static electricity?

Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 11:20    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
When I press the power on, it does nothing for some time, then gives me beep code(only once, no repeat). The code is LONG SHORT SHORT SHORT, which I think means bad gpu.


You're right, according to Asus it is a problem with the GPU. (sorry to doubt you but I had to check)

Quote:
1.4.2.2 Graphics card issue: Beep (1 long 3 short)

A. Clean the Golden Finger of graphics card

B. Clean the graphics card slots

C. Try to test the onboard graphics card if there is onboard VGA integrated

D. If convenience, please change different graphic cards to test again

http://support.asus.com/Troubleshooting/detail.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=1&m=P5N-E%20SLI&s=22&hashedid=KyHOsOKWujC2QguJ&os=&no=978

Can you borrow a graphics card from someone to test it in your system? Or test your card in another PC?

You have two slots on the board that you can put the graphics card in, have you tried both?


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 11:53    Post subject:
Ok its done!

Even though, mobo was giving clear signals that its gpu... it was not. It was cpu. I just reinserted it and put on a new grease and it just works....
Dunno why is that. i did not removed it when I was cleaning the pc.


Thanks for all the help guys. In future I will be more carefull.


btw. Is 60C for 8800gt (oc edition) good in desktop?
46 for cpu in desktop.

Keep in mind that its all almost 5 yo


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 15:00    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
btw. Is 60C for 8800gt (oc edition) good in desktop?
46 for cpu in desktop.

depends if they are idle or load temps. good for load, bad for idle.
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 15:23    Post subject:
idle. I even have new cpu cooling and it doesnt help too much. But I don't care. It was like that for 5 years so if it was to die it would already


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 16:17    Post subject:
My 8800 GTS 512 used to idle at 60C too.

Risk from temperature and dust are VERY exaggerated.


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 16:33    Post subject:
I also noticed that. None of my rigs ever burned. But I take care of my hardware anyway


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 16:36    Post subject:
WhiteBarbarian wrote:
My 8800 GTS 512 used to idle at 60C too.

Risk from temperature and dust are VERY exaggerated.


KillerCrocker wrote:
I also noticed that. None of my rigs ever burned. But I take care of my hardware anyway


never took care of my 8800GTS and it never had a problem either, i'm lazy when i do my cleaning and just use the shop vac, thing did run hot but it never put up a fuss either.
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 17:24    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 17:42    Post subject:
garus wrote:
Judging by those threads it's not the heating you are supposed to be afraid off, but cleaning grinhurt


isn't that obvious?

more people have destroyed computer parts cleaning improperly than have overclocking, that's just a fact. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2012 18:08    Post subject:
WhiteBarbarian wrote:
My 8800 GTS 512 used to idle at 60C too.

Risk from temperature and dust are VERY exaggerated.

that's a very bad point of view. so as long as you don't get open flames in your computer high temps are OK according to you. wrong.

to name a few issues: high temps reduce performance, usually by initiating throttling measures on cpu or gpu, and ofcourse degrades lifespan much faster. also PSU loses efficiency if it runs hot, and then there are HDDs... you really don't want them running hot if you value your midget porn collection.

from my experience of fixing tons and tons of computer problems over many years i can't stress enough how many times it was down to dust and heat.

so once again, WhiteBarbarian, i completely and utterly disagree with your post.
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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Apr 2012 00:00    Post subject:
As long as your system passes Linkpack and FurMark without throttling and artifacts, temperature is irrelevant.

For HDDs, a single 120mm intake fan @ 800 rpm, will keep HDDs temp in 35-45C optimal range.
Google report on HDD failures --> http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/en//archive/disk_failures.pdf
Page 5, section 3.4 Temperature
" In fact, there is a clear trend showing that lower temperatures are associated with higher failure rates. Only at very high temperatures is there a slight reversal of this trend."



With PSU, just buy quality ones that can withstand high heat.

And for dust, with dust filters installed it will take years for dust to accumulate inside the case to begin to interfere with cooling efficiency.

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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Apr 2012 00:21    Post subject:
you're right on room temperature as well barbarian, computers are designed to be able to cool themselves properly, not really on being operating inside of a refrigerator, if that's not the case with yours, well you're probably using a dell, or some other crappy pre-built which no one should be using.
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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Apr 2012 10:03    Post subject:
Cleaning the comp can be hazardous to thy health Crying or Very sad
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