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EDIT: Nevermind..
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 00:05 Post subject: |
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Can comment on the mobo as I have a z68 pro and I havent heard any noises so far..I use headphones a lot, though so I may have an advantage there but so far no sounds!
And to your topic title, its not the biggest I've seen but you use it very effectively!
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sausje
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 00:38 Post subject: |
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Donno if the GPU can handle full HD playback, my laptop (i3-2310m) has sometimes framedips under 60 fps with splash pro..
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 01:12 Post subject: |
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You shouldn't need a discrete sound card if you intend to use a receiver. The optimal choice for audio output would be over HDMI, which the integrated GPU provides already with full support of all the necessary audio formats.
Furthermore, there won't be any gains in terms of audio quality even if you do get the sound card, since your receiver will be doing all the audio processing. By using HDMI or S/PDIF connections you essentially bypass your sound card.
Never heard any weird noises on my Z68 board (it's from MSI though).
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 03:46 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | Donno if the GPU can handle full HD playback, my laptop (i3-2310m) has sometimes framedips under 60 fps with splash pro.. |
It's not the same. HD3000 should handle it no problems. That's why he didn't get a discrete GPU.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 03:59 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 09:34 Post subject: |
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Just get 8GB. It costs like maybe 10 bucks more for 2 4GB sticks instead of 2 2GB sticks.
Anyways, for a home theater PC I would wait for Ivy Bridge. The iGPU is getting a substantial upgrade with Ivy Bridge.
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sausje
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 10:34 Post subject: |
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| outtanames wrote: | | sausje wrote: | | Donno if the GPU can handle full HD playback, my laptop (i3-2310m) has sometimes framedips under 60 fps with splash pro.. |
It's not the same. HD3000 should handle it no problems. That's why he didn't get a discrete GPU. |
Uhm yes, they are the same: i3-2310m and i3-2105
Both intel HD 3000, the other one just a little higher clockspeeds on the GPU.
He didn't mean a AMD card, because there is no HD3000 from AMD, there is the HD3000 SERIES, but no card itself called that way. 
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 10:52 Post subject: |
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A blu ray movie @ 1080p is usually about 24fps is it not?
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sausje
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 11:01 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | Well, those CPUs+iGPU combos are designed with FullHD playback in mind. There shouldn't be any problems under normal circumstances. FullHD content is not usually played at 60fps, but at 24. Dips under 60 are hardly an issue in this case. |
True, but if you want to use Motion² (a function that smooths out the video and makes it looks like it's running @ 60fps) then you need something more powerfull.
Yesterday i even got framedips @ 720p when watching the latest Chuck.
Honestly, i don't see myself watching fullHD movies without Motion², it looks too fucking horrible.
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sausje
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 11:06 Post subject: |
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My HDTV can't do that (got older type  ).
But yea, it depends on what mrt has already and what he expects from it
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 13:03 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | Just get 8GB. It costs like maybe 10 bucks more for 2 4GB sticks instead of 2 2GB sticks.
Anyways, for a home theater PC I would wait for Ivy Bridge. The iGPU is getting a substantial upgrade with Ivy Bridge. |
Aye on the sticks. No use saving up a twenty for such a substantial gain.
Ivy bridge wont be out till april/may. I can't wait that long, I would but I cant. Besides I'm tired of waiting all together. There's always something new around the corner which makes it pointless.
| MinderMast wrote: | You shouldn't need a discrete sound card if you intend to use a receiver. The optimal choice for audio output would be over HDMI, which the integrated GPU provides already with full support of all the necessary audio formats.
Furthermore, there won't be any gains in terms of audio quality even if you do get the sound card, since your receiver will be doing all the audio processing. By using HDMI or S/PDIF connections you essentially bypass your sound card. |
Makes sense, yea. Didn't even consider it. Perfect.
| sausje wrote: | | MinderMast wrote: | | Well, those CPUs+iGPU combos are designed with FullHD playback in mind. There shouldn't be any problems under normal circumstances. FullHD content is not usually played at 60fps, but at 24. Dips under 60 are hardly an issue in this case. |
True, but if you want to use Motion² (a function that smooths out the video and makes it looks like it's running @ 60fps) then you need something more powerfull.
Yesterday i even got framedips @ 720p when watching the latest Chuck.
Honestly, i don't see myself watching fullHD movies without Motion², it looks too fucking horrible. |
Hmm though this should be childs play for the integrated GPU. They really hyped up the video transcoding abilities and all that (Virtue). There are quite considerable differences in performance between mobile and desktop processors, altho only the clock difference between the GPUs, so you may have a point. Which kicks up another pebble. Scrape that, get a P67 and spend the cash on a descrete GPU - but which?
The goal is to have smooth playback of any HD or superplusplus HD movies. Buttersmoooooth.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 13:22 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 13:32 Post subject: |
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The iGPU will be just fine for playing back 1080p material. In the Virtu control panel I select the iGPU to be used for all video playing applications as then the dGPU doesn't have to spin up just to decode video and I don't get any issues.
I would suspect if people are getting issues with video playback using the iGPU it's a result of something else.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 14:57 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | For the PSU; if you want true silence: get this.
Pricey, but it is completely fanless. Requires good circulation in the case though, PSU has also be in a position where the heat can get out easily in a natural manner (i.e. ventilation holes ABOVE it).
Alternatively: this. Again pricey, but Seasonic's fan control is better than anyone elses; apart from the fact that they just use higher quality parts inside that are more efficient to begin with (so they generate less heat).
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Indeed in need of a deeper pocket. I'm looking not to over do it and go all pricy and also not cheap-ass. I'm looking to spend at most 50-60EUR on the PSU. The antec was the first one I found also considering my Antec 350W from a Sonata 5-6years ago still does wonders along with being silent. If there are any same ballpark priced PSUs around that I whizzed by lemme know.
Hmm would that PSU be enough for that configuration? I'm planning of upgrading my main box too, so I can do a little swap-a-roo.
| Werelds wrote: | | All that said, have you considered an alternative option? My HTPC is an E7200 stuffed in an ASUS Pundit barebone. That barebone has an Nvidia GF9400 and 200W fanless PSU. Copes with everything just fine, thanks to CoreAVC |
I have thought about it, but in the end I think i wont save alot of cash buying 2-3 year old hardware. Better shell out now and have lots of popcorn parties pop by before having to upgrade the HTPC. My gut tells me Core Duo's are nearing their end of life, and getting a Pentium G8xx is not too big of a bargain. You subtract some and add the other like the discrete GPU.
Looking across, going for a Phenom X4 may be an option but considering their lack of CPU power and probably higher power draw they'd be noisier in the end and not much cheaper. Integrated GPU's are more powerful tho 
| Werelds wrote: | | And last but not least: get an SSD. Keep storage on your own PC or a separate little server, but get an SSD to keep that thing completely silent. Got an Onyx 32GB in my HTPC myself, it's just brilliant to be able to boot it (including MediaPortal) in less than 25 seconds whilst not hearing a single sound come out of it |
Sounds heavenly. The plan is though to have the HTPC act as a media server for all the TV's around the house as well along with usual storage. A central dump for every ones crap
DVDRW drive recommendations? Which house should I be looking at, Sonyoptiarc (previously the glorified NEC?), LG, Lite-on, plextor (blast from the past!)...?
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 22:11 Post subject: |
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| [mrt] wrote: | | Hmm would that PSU be enough for that configuration? I'm planning of upgrading my main box too, so I can do a little swap-a-roo. |
Plenty. Power is the most overestimated part of any build. Right now I have a n i5-760 at 4.2 w/ 6950 at 6970 clocks running off an X-650; previously I had a CM RP 550W. That PSU is still powering my E8400+5870, at one point in time it powered an Intel EE 955 (130W CPU) and 8800 (140W GPU), both overclocked 
Phenoms definitely aren't worth it. I only suggested the C2D setup because if you happen to have *any* of them lying around, simply get a G9400 based motherboard and you'll be set.
I do still suggest having an SSD as boot drive if I'm honest. You can still find it and similar SSDs at 40-50 Euros, 30GB is more than plenty for Windows + Office as well; I'll have a look at how much I'm using myself in a bit, but I'm pretty sure 16GB would suffice already. You can still keep that second hard drive for storage - added benefit is that it won't be used during boot, meaning it's not used when it's the noisiest: during Windows' boot and update work
Not sure what to tell you about the DVDRW drives to be honest. I've got a BD-ROM in mine now (my HTPC is literally used for everything: music, TV, films, blurays, DVDs, SD cards from photo cameras, external drives/sticks - everything).
Only thing I can tell you on that front is that no brand has not failed me. I've had NEC, Lite-on, Plextor, different Optiarc based drives (LG, Samsung, ACER, AOC) and they all crapped out on me after a couple years. I recommend NOT spending a lot of cash on that, keep it cheap so that it doesn't hurt when it needs replacing
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2012 23:08 Post subject: |
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In my experience, classifying 30GB as plenty for W7 (x64) and Office is a bit optimistic. I would not feel comfortable with anything less than 50. Obviously, all that space won't get filled up, but I like to have at least a few gigs of free space available all the time.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2012 02:24 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2012 10:45 Post subject: |
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Really cheap. I can't get ahold of such drives here though. Vertex Plus 60GB being the smallest and going for 80EUR. Thats the difference between you and me. I'd have to go across to wienerland (austria), they have'em. But alot of times that 20EUR just aint worth it hehe.
SSD's should really be getting cheaper now. They keep holding those prices, a dip and they'd be selling like fresh bagles with butter. People would snap one right away for a decent capacity like 120GB, but not for 200EUR. I read yesterday that there was an oversupply of NAND chips last year..huh..it didn't make too much of a dent.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2012 10:51 Post subject: |
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| [mrt] wrote: | | People would snap one right away for a decent capacity like 120GB. |
Here 2 friends of mine (and 1 his dad), snapped one when the vertex 3 120gb was on sale for ~130 euro.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to maybe order parts thru someone here and let him send them over? Someone you trust ofc
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2012 12:27 Post subject: |
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No different for sausje or me. Where we live we are basically limited to 2 shops (MyCom, Paradigit). Then there's stuff like MediaMarkt or shit like Dixons, but they don't sell actual components for the most part.
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2012 12:51 Post subject: |
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I get most my parts from Alternate.nl tho Werelds
Only with my last pc i just looked online what was cheaper in what store, but before EVERYTHING came from Alternate
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